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 Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: Credit |
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| Could your ranch or farm survive if our credit sources dried up? That very question might need to answered in the near future.
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Oldtimer
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Richard Doolittle
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| There aren't a lot that could operate without credit, but the credit sources are not going to dry up.
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PureCountry
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I have to agree with Richard. Gov'ts cannot afford to allow it, and they won't. As much as some would like to see it, as it would give a major detox cleansing to the economies of both nations.
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Oldtimer
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Well I don't know why you "socialists" up there in Canada are worrying- according to the news Canada has the strongest rated banking system in the world- compared to the US being ranked 40th...
From what is being seen down here now- IF our economy survives we will see a lot more "socialism" too.... 
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Why our banking system is in trouble
Friday, October 10, 2008
This week, the World Economic Forum rated the Canada as having the soundest banking system in the world. The US was rated #40. Even Switzerland, which is known for their banks, ranked #16. According to Canadian Finance Minister Jim Flaherty, “We’re a relative rock of stability in this situation, but of course we’re vulnerable to spillovers from what’s happening elsewhere.”
Why is Canada managing to avoid the financial meltdown that is affecting the US, Europe, and much of the rest of the world? Because of “strict regulation“. That’s right, their government regulates banks much more than most countries. And rather than hurt their economy, it has protected it.
Canada has some of the strictest capitalization requirements in the world — the amount of money a bank has to hang onto to be able to deal with bad loans or other financial problems. Canada has also refused to approve the merger of any of Canada’s big banks. And finally, banking regulations kept Canadian banks from catching the fever for subprime mortgages that spread like a plague across the rest of the world.
Compare this to the US, where deregulation, mergers, and subprime mortgages have been all the rage, but are leading to the end of American capitalism.
So the next time someone says that there wasn’t anything the government could have done to prevent the current financial crisis, or claims that government regulation of business is always bad, all you have to do is point next door. |
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Big Muddy rancher
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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Well I don't know why you "socialists" up there in Canada are worrying- according to the news Canada has the strongest rated banking system in the world- compared to the US being ranked 40th...
From what is being seen down here now- IF our economy survives we will see a lot more "socialism" too....
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Why our banking system is in trouble
Friday, October 10, 2008
This week, the World Economic Forum rated the Canada as having the soundest banking system in the world. The US was rated #40. Even Switzerland, which is known for their banks, ranked #16. According to Canadian Finance Minister Jim Flaherty, “We’re a relative rock of stability in this situation, but of course we’re vulnerable to spillovers from what’s happening elsewhere.”
Why is Canada managing to avoid the financial meltdown that is affecting the US, Europe, and much of the rest of the world? Because of “strict regulation“. That’s right, their government regulates banks much more than most countries. And rather than hurt their economy, it has protected it.
Canada has some of the strictest capitalization requirements in the world — the amount of money a bank has to hang onto to be able to deal with bad loans or other financial problems. Canada has also refused to approve the merger of any of Canada’s big banks. And finally, banking regulations kept Canadian banks from catching the fever for subprime mortgages that spread like a plague across the rest of the world.
Compare this to the US, where deregulation, mergers, and subprime mortgages have been all the rage, but are leading to the end of American capitalism.
So the next time someone says that there wasn’t anything the government could have done to prevent the current financial crisis, or claims that government regulation of business is always bad, all you have to do is point next door. |
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Gee OT next you will be cheer leading for our Medicare system. 
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Oldtimer
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Oldtimer wrote: |
Well I don't know why you "socialists" up there in Canada are worrying- according to the news Canada has the strongest rated banking system in the world- compared to the US being ranked 40th...
From what is being seen down here now- IF our economy survives we will see a lot more "socialism" too....
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Why our banking system is in trouble
Friday, October 10, 2008
This week, the World Economic Forum rated the Canada as having the soundest banking system in the world. The US was rated #40. Even Switzerland, which is known for their banks, ranked #16. According to Canadian Finance Minister Jim Flaherty, “We’re a relative rock of stability in this situation, but of course we’re vulnerable to spillovers from what’s happening elsewhere.”
Why is Canada managing to avoid the financial meltdown that is affecting the US, Europe, and much of the rest of the world? Because of “strict regulation“. That’s right, their government regulates banks much more than most countries. And rather than hurt their economy, it has protected it.
Canada has some of the strictest capitalization requirements in the world — the amount of money a bank has to hang onto to be able to deal with bad loans or other financial problems. Canada has also refused to approve the merger of any of Canada’s big banks. And finally, banking regulations kept Canadian banks from catching the fever for subprime mortgages that spread like a plague across the rest of the world.
Compare this to the US, where deregulation, mergers, and subprime mortgages have been all the rage, but are leading to the end of American capitalism.
So the next time someone says that there wasn’t anything the government could have done to prevent the current financial crisis, or claims that government regulation of business is always bad, all you have to do is point next door. |
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Gee OT next you will be cheer leading for our Medicare system. |
Probably better than ours   But we still raise better beef
That article really surprised me that Canada's banks were thought of as the most solvent in the world...I'd just never thought of them...
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elwapo
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I spoke with a couple of bankers this week and it is " business as usual" with the exception of HSBC, which has had an international directive of no mortgage lending for about six months now. I do believe our financial system is very sound . With the happenings going on in the US we may well be the least socialist country in North America by the time the smoke clears. The great white north..... strong and free!!!!!
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PureCountry
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Kato
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Just because they are sound it doesn't mean they are being generous either. They'll tighten up on lending, I'm sure, just because of the general credit atmosphere.
On the other hand, they won't be failing, which is a good thing. 
I was watching CNN yesterday and they had a story about how people are so stressed about the financial picture, worrying about losing their homes, savings, and jobs. It sounded so serious. They were giving advice on how to cope with stress, and how to live in such an uncertain atmosphere.
Then I realized that for us, (Canadian cattle producers) this whole crisis other people are finding themselves in is actually what we've come to think of as NORMAL. We've been living in exactly this situation for the past five years. So long that we've perfected the coping strategies to the point where we've forgotten what good times are like. Recession? We've been reliving the Great Depression, and we're getting pretty good at it.
Maybe we should hire ourselves out as consultants. 
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Yanuck
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Just because they are sound it doesn't mean they are being generous either. They'll tighten up on lending, I'm sure, just because of the general credit atmosphere.
On the other hand, they won't be failing, which is a good thing.
I was watching CNN yesterday and they had a story about how people are so stressed about the financial picture, worrying about losing their homes, savings, and jobs. It sounded so serious. They were giving advice on how to cope with stress, and how to live in such an uncertain atmosphere.
Then I realized that for us, (Canadian cattle producers) this whole crisis other people are finding themselves in is actually what we've come to think of as NORMAL. We've been living in exactly this situation for the past five years. So long that we've perfected the coping strategies to the point where we've forgotten what good times are like. Recession? We've been reliving the Great Depression, and we're getting pretty good at it.
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My husband and I had this very conversation just yesterday afternoon. People in this day and age are spoiled and think they "need" a lot of stuff that they don't and can't pay for. I grew up the youngest of 6 kids, and although my Mom is Irish, she has a lot of Scot in her! and my Dad's favourite saying has always been "you can't have champagne tastes on a beer diet"
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Kato
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I've always been of the opinion that the best people grow up just a bit hungry. By that I mean that it does a person's development no good if they can just have whatever they want whenever they want it. They don't develop an appreciation for what they do have.
Whenever our boys had something they absolutely had to have, we always made them earn it first, whether by working for it, or saving up. Then when they did get that much wanted item they really took good care of it, and used it well. They appreciated it.
There's a lot to be said for living within your means. It develops character, and it's looking like there's going to be quite a lot of "character development" going on in a lot of places over the next while. After the first painful part is over, it will be a better thing in the long run for everyone.
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