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Sandhusker
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Burnt, "Because, as it has been repeatedly said here, it is not the producers taking the label off - it is your own domestic interests that do it."

That is exactly right. The next question is WHY are they doing that and does it benefit any of us on either side of the border? I think you'll find that it's not a good thing for US OR Canadian producers. Therefore, why support it?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

burnt wrote:
Broke Cowboy wrote:
Tex wrote:


If you are not proud enough to put your name on it, don't be in the selling business. Personally I would like to see these things being taken out of packer's value and be given back to ranchers.

Tex


I honestly do not know how anyone could argue with either of these two sentences you wrote - although I am sure someone will try. Very Happy

Cheers

BC


While perhaps no one should/could argue with either statement, the first is one of the stupidest statements anyone could make, and thus, they should be ashamed to have it connected with their name, if they had a lick of sense.

To make such a comment is, sadly, either a gauge of deep ignorance or simply intended to be inflammatory.


Because, as it has been repeatedly said here, it is not the producers taking the label off - it is your own domestic interests that do it. If you have a need for COOL and it isn't happening, then lay the blame AND the cost where it belongs, and that is NOT on the CDN producers.


Just call them the international meat mafia.

Tex


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe they're afraid that people in the U.S. will find that it's the Canadian beef that tastes better? Wink Wink Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy How's that for an inflammatory comment? Wink

Actually what it comes down to is what is the definition of U.S. beef. That's the basis if the Canadian and Mexican challenge. It's a fact that according to the terms of NAFTA, the definition of U.S. beef is that it is beef processed in an American plant, under American inspection and processing protocols.

Simple as that. [bold]Process it in the U.S. and it is U.S. beef. [/bold]

Where it is born has no relevance.

Now, Canadian beef on the other hand is processed under much stricter protocols regarding SRM removal and such, and should be labeled Canadian if it is imported [bold]after [/bold]processing. After all, our higher standards are a marketing advantage. In the future you will probably be seeing this fact being advertised along with our beef as well, especially if we find we are needing to get the edge on you in order to survive. Within less than two years we will have our tracking system up and running and then we can add total traceability to the mix, and have another box checked off on the list of things needed to get the jump on U.S. commodity beef.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 5:29 pm    Post subject: What!!!! Reply with quote

Kato,Your comment: Within less than two years we will have our tracking system up and running and then we can add total traceability to the mix,

Why take so long when ScoringAg can have you up and running in two months including hardware. Ten times cheaper !

Why don't you contact some of the Canadian Reps. from ScoringAg?

http://www.scoringsystem.com/scoringsystem/sandbox/sales/america/index.cfm


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I meant by that is that the auction marts and such will be required to have scanners and record movement. The system is already designed, and the databases are set up and waiting. It's just a matter of having the participation level up to speed.

I think it's about 2012 that it's all supposed to be fully functional.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kato wrote:
Maybe they're afraid that people in the U.S. will find that it's the Canadian beef that tastes better? Wink Wink Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy How's that for an inflammatory comment? Wink

Actually what it comes down to is what is the definition of U.S. beef. That's the basis if the Canadian and Mexican challenge. It's a fact that according to the terms of NAFTA, the definition of U.S. beef is that it is beef processed in an American plant, under American inspection and processing protocols.

Simple as that. [bold]Process it in the U.S. and it is U.S. beef. [/bold]

Where it is born has no relevance.

Now, Canadian beef on the other hand is processed under much stricter protocols regarding SRM removal and such, and should be labeled Canadian if it is imported [bold]after [/bold]processing. After all, our higher standards are a marketing advantage. In the future you will probably be seeing this fact being advertised along with our beef as well, especially if we find we are needing to get the edge on you in order to survive. Within less than two years we will have our tracking system up and running and then we can add total traceability to the mix, and have another box checked off on the list of things needed to get the jump on U.S. commodity beef.


Yup, the NAFTA agreement is pretty clear that a product is a product of the country in which it has been signifigantly changed. That's why we can import berries from Mexico and turn it into jam as a product of Canada. Those are the rules our respective nations agreed to play by when the documents were signed. And those are the rules that we take advantage of on both sides of the border on a regular basis. Suddenly that's not good enough because somebody thinks they can get a leg up by playing games.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to NAFTA, there's such a thing as Canadian orange juice.... Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

I tell ya, there's no orange juice like Canadian orange juice..... Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sandhusker, you know as well as I do, treaties trump sovereignty, in this globalist climate.

Anyone that thinks Obama and his WTO/UN/WHO cronies are going to side with sovereignty over global treaties is fooling themselves.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: What!!!! Reply with quote

PORKER wrote:
Kato,Your comment: Within less than two years we will have our tracking system up and running and then we can add total traceability to the mix,

Why take so long when ScoringAg can have you up and running in two months including hardware. Ten times cheaper !

Why don't you contact some of the Canadian Reps. from ScoringAg?

http://www.scoringsystem.com/scoringsystem/sandbox/sales/america/index.cfm

Porker could you please explain the external audit process that backs up your claims of speed and accuracy found in the ScoringAg system?

Thanks


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hypocritexposer wrote:
Sandhusker, you know as well as I do, treaties trump sovereignty, in this globalist climate.

Anyone that thinks Obama and his WTO/UN/WHO cronies are going to side with sovereignty over global treaties is fooling themselves.

Especially when those agreements include energy.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sandhusker wrote:
According to NAFTA, there's such a thing as Canadian orange juice.... Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

I tell ya, there's no orange juice like Canadian orange juice..... Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


And you guys take Canadian Coastal Douglas Fir and make furniture and all sorts of things and call them American made. What's your flippin' point? Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:31 pm    Post subject: ????? Reply with quote

Kato, I will email headquarters about your question . You can call the office direct at 941-792-6405 and ask the question. I have no clue other than ScoringAg runs according to the 21CFR part 11 of the US code in the web-based UNIX database traceback system.


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