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Kato
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Going to do? We're pushing for our own MCOOL, but we don't insist that it's applied in such a way that it violates trade agreements that WE BOTH SIGNED. If you want to ship some steers up here and sell them for what we get for them, we'll be happy to put Canada on them, but I doubt if you'd want to do that.
Canada is a substantial market for American beef. You may not want to believe that, but it is. I guess if the WTO thing was to turn into the same kind of fiasco as most other trade issues with your country, we could push for the same kind of MCOOL as you have. We've got nothing to lose. You, on the other hand, do.
What I wish we had of done was not sign onto NAFTA. It was one of the biggest mistakes this country has ever done. Silly us, thinking that you guys would actually have the integrity to honour your word. I guess we learned the hard way just how trustworthy the word of the American trade negotiators is. Before NAFTA, farmers used to make a living in this country, but ever since, it's been one disaster after another.
But since I wasn't sitting at the table the day that paper was signed, there's not much I can do about it. There was lots of opposition to it in this country, but the pressure from south was enormous. After all, when it got right down to it, it was all about oil. And access to that oil. And the whole world knows the most dangerous thing you can do is get between America and a barrel of oil.
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Sandhusker
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Going to do? We're pushing for our own MCOOL, but we don't insist that it's applied in such a way that it violates trade agreements that WE BOTH SIGNED. If you want to ship some steers up here and sell them for what we get for them, we'll be happy to put Canada on them, but I doubt if you'd want to do that.
Canada is a substantial market for American beef. You may not want to believe that, but it is. I guess if the WTO thing was to turn into the same kind of fiasco as most other trade issues with your country, we could push for the same kind of MCOOL as you have. We've got nothing to lose. You, on the other hand, do.
What I wish we had of done was not sign onto NAFTA. It was one of the biggest mistakes this country has ever done. Silly us, thinking that you guys would actually have the integrity to honour your word. I guess we learned the hard way just how trustworthy the word of the American trade negotiators is. Before NAFTA, farmers used to make a living in this country, but ever since, it's been one disaster after another.
But since I wasn't sitting at the table the day that paper was signed, there's not much I can do about it. There was lots of opposition to it in this country, but the pressure from south was enormous. After all, when it got right down to it, it was all about oil. And access to that oil. And the whole world knows the most dangerous thing you can do is get between America and a barrel of oil. |
If your MCOOL allows the packers to label South American sides as "Product of Canada" simply because the carcass of an animal who was never within 3000 miles of Canada in it's year and a half while alive was cut into pieces in your country after being there a day, you've done nothing except help your meat cutters profit from a sham. How is that going to promote the cattle actually raised in Canada? How will that increase the demand for YOUR cattle?
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Oldtimer
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Going to do? We're pushing for our own MCOOL, but we don't insist that it's applied in such a way that it violates trade agreements that WE BOTH SIGNED. If you want to ship some steers up here and sell them for what we get for them, we'll be happy to put Canada on them, but I doubt if you'd want to do that.
Canada is a substantial market for American beef. You may not want to believe that, but it is. I guess if the WTO thing was to turn into the same kind of fiasco as most other trade issues with your country, we could push for the same kind of MCOOL as you have. We've got nothing to lose. You, on the other hand, do.
What I wish we had of done was not sign onto NAFTA. It was one of the biggest mistakes this country has ever done. Silly us, thinking that you guys would actually have the integrity to honour your word. I guess we learned the hard way just how trustworthy the word of the American trade negotiators is. Before NAFTA, farmers used to make a living in this country, but ever since, it's been one disaster after another.
But since I wasn't sitting at the table the day that paper was signed, there's not much I can do about it. There was lots of opposition to it in this country, but the pressure from south was enormous. After all, when it got right down to it, it was all about oil. And access to that oil. And the whole world knows the most dangerous thing you can do is get between America and a barrel of oil. |
If your MCOOL allows the packers to label South American sides as "Product of Canada" simply because the carcass of an animal who was never within 3000 miles of Canada in it's year and a half while alive was cut into pieces in your country after being there a day, you've done nothing except help your meat cutters profit from a sham. How is that going to promote the cattle actually raised in Canada? How will that increase the demand for YOUR cattle? |
AMEN Sandhusker- but the Katos of Canada- many of which are in the pockets of the ABP/CCA/NCBA mulitcorporate backers can't rememeber when back in in 2003- after BSE- their government was still importing in multi tons of beef from everywhere in the world- including if I remember right supplying there military with Uruguayan produced beef when someone did a background check 
WOULDN'T IT BE A HELL OF A LOT MORE HONEST- JUST TO TELL FOLKS WHERE IT WAS BORN, RAISED, AND SLAUGHTERED- and then leave the decision to those consumer folks- in both countries....
To me the whole NAFTA situation has been a lot of political lying and positioning by special interest groups (which the Canadian cattleman had a big role to play when back 20 years ago they said ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED)- and decided their was no such thing as a North American or even US/Canadian herd -- so wouldn't it be great if we tried to bring forth some openness and transparency- like the consumers are asking for.....
The same truth in labeling, openess, and transparency that groups like R-CALF, USCA, and major consumer groups have fought for for years--- but Canadians have pimped themselves to the multinationals by fighting..... 
And now these same Canadians wonder why they have been totally taken over by multinationals and conglomerates
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Big Muddy rancher
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Going to do? We're pushing for our own MCOOL, but we don't insist that it's applied in such a way that it violates trade agreements that WE BOTH SIGNED. If you want to ship some steers up here and sell them for what we get for them, we'll be happy to put Canada on them, but I doubt if you'd want to do that.
Canada is a substantial market for American beef. You may not want to believe that, but it is. I guess if the WTO thing was to turn into the same kind of fiasco as most other trade issues with your country, we could push for the same kind of MCOOL as you have. We've got nothing to lose. You, on the other hand, do.
What I wish we had of done was not sign onto NAFTA. It was one of the biggest mistakes this country has ever done. Silly us, thinking that you guys would actually have the integrity to honour your word. I guess we learned the hard way just how trustworthy the word of the American trade negotiators is. Before NAFTA, farmers used to make a living in this country, but ever since, it's been one disaster after another.
But since I wasn't sitting at the table the day that paper was signed, there's not much I can do about it. There was lots of opposition to it in this country, but the pressure from south was enormous. After all, when it got right down to it, it was all about oil. And access to that oil. And the whole world knows the most dangerous thing you can do is get between America and a barrel of oil. |
If your MCOOL allows the packers to label South American sides as "Product of Canada" simply because the carcass of an animal who was never within 3000 miles of Canada in it's year and a half while alive was cut into pieces in your country after being there a day, you've done nothing except help your meat cutters profit from a sham. How is that going to promote the cattle actually raised in Canada? How will that increase the demand for YOUR cattle? |
AMEN Sandhusker- but the Katos of Canada- many of which are in the pockets of the ABP/CCA/NCBA mulitcorporate backers can't rememeber when back in in 2003- after BSE- their government was still importing in multi tons of beef from everywhere in the world- including if I remember right supplying there military with Uruguayan produced beef when someone did a background check
WOULDN'T IT BE A HELL OF A LOT MORE HONEST- JUST TO TELL FOLKS WHERE IT WAS BORN, RAISED, AND SLAUGHTERED- and then leave the decision to those consumer folks- in both countries....
To me the whole NAFTA situation has been a lot of political lying and positioning by special interest groups (which the Canadian cattleman had a big role to play when back 20 years ago they said ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED)- and decided their was no such thing as a North American or even US/Canadian herd -- so wouldn't it be great if we tried to bring forth some openness and transparency- like the consumers are asking for.....
The same truth in labeling, openess, and transparency that groups like R-CALF, USCA, and major consumer groups have fought for for years--- but Canadians have pimped themselves to the multinationals by fighting.....
And now these same Canadians wonder why they have been totally taken over by multinationals and conglomerates |
Wasn't it you telling us about your local butcher throwing the boxes with the Maple Leaf on them out the backdoor?
Who's lying now?
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Oldtimer
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Going to do? We're pushing for our own MCOOL, but we don't insist that it's applied in such a way that it violates trade agreements that WE BOTH SIGNED. If you want to ship some steers up here and sell them for what we get for them, we'll be happy to put Canada on them, but I doubt if you'd want to do that.
Canada is a substantial market for American beef. You may not want to believe that, but it is. I guess if the WTO thing was to turn into the same kind of fiasco as most other trade issues with your country, we could push for the same kind of MCOOL as you have. We've got nothing to lose. You, on the other hand, do.
What I wish we had of done was not sign onto NAFTA. It was one of the biggest mistakes this country has ever done. Silly us, thinking that you guys would actually have the integrity to honour your word. I guess we learned the hard way just how trustworthy the word of the American trade negotiators is. Before NAFTA, farmers used to make a living in this country, but ever since, it's been one disaster after another.
But since I wasn't sitting at the table the day that paper was signed, there's not much I can do about it. There was lots of opposition to it in this country, but the pressure from south was enormous. After all, when it got right down to it, it was all about oil. And access to that oil. And the whole world knows the most dangerous thing you can do is get between America and a barrel of oil. |
If your MCOOL allows the packers to label South American sides as "Product of Canada" simply because the carcass of an animal who was never within 3000 miles of Canada in it's year and a half while alive was cut into pieces in your country after being there a day, you've done nothing except help your meat cutters profit from a sham. How is that going to promote the cattle actually raised in Canada? How will that increase the demand for YOUR cattle? |
AMEN Sandhusker- but the Katos of Canada- many of which are in the pockets of the ABP/CCA/NCBA mulitcorporate backers can't rememeber when back in in 2003- after BSE- their government was still importing in multi tons of beef from everywhere in the world- including if I remember right supplying there military with Uruguayan produced beef when someone did a background check
WOULDN'T IT BE A HELL OF A LOT MORE HONEST- JUST TO TELL FOLKS WHERE IT WAS BORN, RAISED, AND SLAUGHTERED- and then leave the decision to those consumer folks- in both countries....
To me the whole NAFTA situation has been a lot of political lying and positioning by special interest groups (which the Canadian cattleman had a big role to play when back 20 years ago they said ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED)- and decided their was no such thing as a North American or even US/Canadian herd -- so wouldn't it be great if we tried to bring forth some openness and transparency- like the consumers are asking for.....
The same truth in labeling, openess, and transparency that groups like R-CALF, USCA, and major consumer groups have fought for for years--- but Canadians have pimped themselves to the multinationals by fighting.....
And now these same Canadians wonder why they have been totally taken over by multinationals and conglomerates |
Wasn't it you telling us about your local butcher throwing the boxes with the Maple Leaf on them out the backdoor?
Who's lying now? |
Yep- that seems to be the new way of doing business- from the multinationals to the Walmarts to the local retailer-- that its OK to throw out ethics, morals, and honesty if there is a buck to be made by doing it...
And the really sad part of it - was that it was a government backed FRAUD- by USDA saying it was plumb OK to do that- and after repackaging they could stick a USDA stamp on it implying it was US product and pass it off as such....
And to me its sad to see some Canadian producers/ranchers that have fallen into that same circle-- and now that we finally have some laws that require retailers to tell the truth and give more transparency to consumers (Where Born, Raised, Slaughtered)-- are fighting the law and want to keep the FRAUD going because they think they may make a buck...
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Big Muddy rancher
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Going to do? We're pushing for our own MCOOL, but we don't insist that it's applied in such a way that it violates trade agreements that WE BOTH SIGNED. If you want to ship some steers up here and sell them for what we get for them, we'll be happy to put Canada on them, but I doubt if you'd want to do that.
Canada is a substantial market for American beef. You may not want to believe that, but it is. I guess if the WTO thing was to turn into the same kind of fiasco as most other trade issues with your country, we could push for the same kind of MCOOL as you have. We've got nothing to lose. You, on the other hand, do.
What I wish we had of done was not sign onto NAFTA. It was one of the biggest mistakes this country has ever done. Silly us, thinking that you guys would actually have the integrity to honour your word. I guess we learned the hard way just how trustworthy the word of the American trade negotiators is. Before NAFTA, farmers used to make a living in this country, but ever since, it's been one disaster after another.
But since I wasn't sitting at the table the day that paper was signed, there's not much I can do about it. There was lots of opposition to it in this country, but the pressure from south was enormous. After all, when it got right down to it, it was all about oil. And access to that oil. And the whole world knows the most dangerous thing you can do is get between America and a barrel of oil. |
If your MCOOL allows the packers to label South American sides as "Product of Canada" simply because the carcass of an animal who was never within 3000 miles of Canada in it's year and a half while alive was cut into pieces in your country after being there a day, you've done nothing except help your meat cutters profit from a sham. How is that going to promote the cattle actually raised in Canada? How will that increase the demand for YOUR cattle? |
AMEN Sandhusker- but the Katos of Canada- many of which are in the pockets of the ABP/CCA/NCBA mulitcorporate backers can't rememeber when back in in 2003- after BSE- their government was still importing in multi tons of beef from everywhere in the world- including if I remember right supplying there military with Uruguayan produced beef when someone did a background check
WOULDN'T IT BE A HELL OF A LOT MORE HONEST- JUST TO TELL FOLKS WHERE IT WAS BORN, RAISED, AND SLAUGHTERED- and then leave the decision to those consumer folks- in both countries....
To me the whole NAFTA situation has been a lot of political lying and positioning by special interest groups (which the Canadian cattleman had a big role to play when back 20 years ago they said ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED)- and decided their was no such thing as a North American or even US/Canadian herd -- so wouldn't it be great if we tried to bring forth some openness and transparency- like the consumers are asking for.....
The same truth in labeling, openess, and transparency that groups like R-CALF, USCA, and major consumer groups have fought for for years--- but Canadians have pimped themselves to the multinationals by fighting.....
And now these same Canadians wonder why they have been totally taken over by multinationals and conglomerates |
Wasn't it you telling us about your local butcher throwing the boxes with the Maple Leaf on them out the backdoor?
Who's lying now? |
Yep- that seems to be the new way of doing business- from the multinationals to the Walmarts to the local retailer-- that its OK to throw out ethics, morals, and honesty if there is a buck to be made by doing it...
And the really sad part of it - was that it was a government backed FRAUD- by USDA saying it was plumb OK to do that- and after repackaging they could stick a USDA stamp on it implying it was US product and pass it off as such....
And to me its sad to see some Canadian producers/ranchers that have fallen into that same circle-- and now that we finally have some laws that require retailers to tell the truth and give more transparency to consumers (Where Born, Raised, Slaughtered)-- are fighting the law and want to keep the FRAUD going because they think they may make a buck... |
All they needed to do was change the stamp to "INSPECTED BY USDA"
there would be no confusion that it was a product of USA. The producers of the USA could label the beef processed in the USA and beef coming from Canada was already labeled as product of CANADA INSPECTED by USDA .
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burnt
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| Oldtimer wrote: |
| Big Muddy rancher wrote: |
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| Sandhusker wrote: |
| Kato wrote: |
Going to do? We're pushing for our own MCOOL, but we don't insist that it's applied in such a way that it violates trade agreements that WE BOTH SIGNED. If you want to ship some steers up here and sell them for what we get for them, we'll be happy to put Canada on them, but I doubt if you'd want to do that.
Canada is a substantial market for American beef. You may not want to believe that, but it is. I guess if the WTO thing was to turn into the same kind of fiasco as most other trade issues with your country, we could push for the same kind of MCOOL as you have. We've got nothing to lose. You, on the other hand, do.
What I wish we had of done was not sign onto NAFTA. It was one of the biggest mistakes this country has ever done. Silly us, thinking that you guys would actually have the integrity to honour your word. I guess we learned the hard way just how trustworthy the word of the American trade negotiators is. Before NAFTA, farmers used to make a living in this country, but ever since, it's been one disaster after another.
But since I wasn't sitting at the table the day that paper was signed, there's not much I can do about it. There was lots of opposition to it in this country, but the pressure from south was enormous. After all, when it got right down to it, it was all about oil. And access to that oil. And the whole world knows the most dangerous thing you can do is get between America and a barrel of oil. |
If your MCOOL allows the packers to label South American sides as "Product of Canada" simply because the carcass of an animal who was never within 3000 miles of Canada in it's year and a half while alive was cut into pieces in your country after being there a day, you've done nothing except help your meat cutters profit from a sham. How is that going to promote the cattle actually raised in Canada? How will that increase the demand for YOUR cattle? |
AMEN Sandhusker- but the Katos of Canada- many of which are in the pockets of the ABP/CCA/NCBA mulitcorporate backers can't rememeber when back in in 2003- after BSE- their government was still importing in multi tons of beef from everywhere in the world- including if I remember right supplying there military with Uruguayan produced beef when someone did a background check
WOULDN'T IT BE A HELL OF A LOT MORE HONEST- JUST TO TELL FOLKS WHERE IT WAS BORN, RAISED, AND SLAUGHTERED- and then leave the decision to those consumer folks- in both countries....
To me the whole NAFTA situation has been a lot of political lying and positioning by special interest groups (which the Canadian cattleman had a big role to play when back 20 years ago they said ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED)- and decided their was no such thing as a North American or even US/Canadian herd -- so wouldn't it be great if we tried to bring forth some openness and transparency- like the consumers are asking for.....
The same truth in labeling, openess, and transparency that groups like R-CALF, USCA, and major consumer groups have fought for for years--- but Canadians have pimped themselves to the multinationals by fighting.....
And now these same Canadians wonder why they have been totally taken over by multinationals and conglomerates |
Wasn't it you telling us about your local butcher throwing the boxes with the Maple Leaf on them out the backdoor?
Who's lying now? |
Yep- that seems to be the new way of doing business- from the multinationals to the Walmarts to the local retailer-- that its OK to throw out ethics, morals, and honesty if there is a buck to be made by doing it...
And the really sad part of it - was that it was a government backed FRAUD- by USDA saying it was plumb OK to do that- and after repackaging they could stick a USDA stamp on it implying it was US product and pass it off as such....
And to me its sad to see some Canadian producers/ranchers that have fallen into that same circle-- and now that we finally have some laws that require retailers to tell the truth and give more transparency to consumers (Where Born, Raised, Slaughtered)-- are fighting the law and want to keep the FRAUD going because they think they may make a buck... |
All they needed to do was change the stamp to "INSPECTED BY USDA"
there would be no confusion that it was a product of USA. The producers of the USA could label the beef processed in the USA and beef coming from Canada was already labeled as product of CANADA INSPECTED by USDA . |
AMEN! BMr, that's all they needed to do!
Do we have a HALLELUJAH out there?
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Oldtimer
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| Kato wrote: |
Going to do? We're pushing for our own MCOOL, but we don't insist that it's applied in such a way that it violates trade agreements that WE BOTH SIGNED. If you want to ship some steers up here and sell them for what we get for them, we'll be happy to put Canada on them, but I doubt if you'd want to do that.
Canada is a substantial market for American beef. You may not want to believe that, but it is. I guess if the WTO thing was to turn into the same kind of fiasco as most other trade issues with your country, we could push for the same kind of MCOOL as you have. We've got nothing to lose. You, on the other hand, do.
What I wish we had of done was not sign onto NAFTA. It was one of the biggest mistakes this country has ever done. Silly us, thinking that you guys would actually have the integrity to honour your word. I guess we learned the hard way just how trustworthy the word of the American trade negotiators is. Before NAFTA, farmers used to make a living in this country, but ever since, it's been one disaster after another.
But since I wasn't sitting at the table the day that paper was signed, there's not much I can do about it. There was lots of opposition to it in this country, but the pressure from south was enormous. After all, when it got right down to it, it was all about oil. And access to that oil. And the whole world knows the most dangerous thing you can do is get between America and a barrel of oil. |
If your MCOOL allows the packers to label South American sides as "Product of Canada" simply because the carcass of an animal who was never within 3000 miles of Canada in it's year and a half while alive was cut into pieces in your country after being there a day, you've done nothing except help your meat cutters profit from a sham. How is that going to promote the cattle actually raised in Canada? How will that increase the demand for YOUR cattle? |
AMEN Sandhusker- but the Katos of Canada- many of which are in the pockets of the ABP/CCA/NCBA mulitcorporate backers can't rememeber when back in in 2003- after BSE- their government was still importing in multi tons of beef from everywhere in the world- including if I remember right supplying there military with Uruguayan produced beef when someone did a background check
WOULDN'T IT BE A HELL OF A LOT MORE HONEST- JUST TO TELL FOLKS WHERE IT WAS BORN, RAISED, AND SLAUGHTERED- and then leave the decision to those consumer folks- in both countries....
To me the whole NAFTA situation has been a lot of political lying and positioning by special interest groups (which the Canadian cattleman had a big role to play when back 20 years ago they said ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED)- and decided their was no such thing as a North American or even US/Canadian herd -- so wouldn't it be great if we tried to bring forth some openness and transparency- like the consumers are asking for.....
The same truth in labeling, openess, and transparency that groups like R-CALF, USCA, and major consumer groups have fought for for years--- but Canadians have pimped themselves to the multinationals by fighting.....
And now these same Canadians wonder why they have been totally taken over by multinationals and conglomerates |
Wasn't it you telling us about your local butcher throwing the boxes with the Maple Leaf on them out the backdoor?
Who's lying now? |
Yep- that seems to be the new way of doing business- from the multinationals to the Walmarts to the local retailer-- that its OK to throw out ethics, morals, and honesty if there is a buck to be made by doing it...
And the really sad part of it - was that it was a government backed FRAUD- by USDA saying it was plumb OK to do that- and after repackaging they could stick a USDA stamp on it implying it was US product and pass it off as such....
And to me its sad to see some Canadian producers/ranchers that have fallen into that same circle-- and now that we finally have some laws that require retailers to tell the truth and give more transparency to consumers (Where Born, Raised, Slaughtered)-- are fighting the law and want to keep the FRAUD going because they think they may make a buck... |
All they needed to do was change the stamp to "INSPECTED BY USDA"
there would be no confusion that it was a product of USA. The producers of the USA could label the beef processed in the USA and beef coming from Canada was already labeled as product of CANADA INSPECTED by USDA . |
But that would be false too- because the USDA and FDA was not doing the inspections in Canada, Mexico, Uruguay, Thailand, China etal..It was being done by those countries inspectors- some countries where graft is meant to be part of their salaries- and some of which would sell their sister for a $5 bill...
That may be one of the reasons the consumers of the US decided they wanted more information- and like most modern countries of the world now have- wanted Mandatory Country of Origin Labeling- so they could make an informed decision on their own...
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Shaft
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So, what is the real problem with the US MCOOL laws apart from finger-pointing? As time passes the gap will close until we get to the point where US meatpackers are paying a premium on Canadian cattle.
Canada has the meatpacking industry concentrated in the hands of two main players. The US, with ten times the population of Canada, has the meatpacking industry concentrated in the hands of four main players. What's to crow about?
Sandy, the reason the multinationals are opposing MCOOL is because they have a long and storied history of divide and conquer through drawing attention away from issues that really matter by pretending to fight over issues that do not really matter and have no hope of resolution, but will take up a lot of time and energy and divide opposition.
The real issue here is that cattle producers, both Canadian and US, continue to get screwed in the value chain. What do you propose to do about it? Continue to get sidetracked with illusory protectionist issues? It is not only R-CALF's lawyers that are happy to fight protectionist battles. The big packers just love you guys. As long as you cannot keep your guns pointed downrange at the packers where they belong, cattle producers on both sides of the border, and including your own feet, will continue to wind up shot.
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Sandhusker
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Shaft, I'd say the source for the beef that the packer's sell in our countries is a matter of life or death for the industry as we know it and want to keep it, especially considering all of the time, money, and effort that they are spending on making the purchasing of US and/or Canadian cattle an option to be weighed against the purchase price of beef from country "X".
We're all in the same boat, and COOL partnered with an aggressive marketing campaign seems to me the best way to head off the flood of South American beef that the triumvirate of the NCBA/USDA/Packers are intent on bringing to our shores.
Do you have a better idea?
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Shaft
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Oh my goodness! A (welcome) blast from the past for certain! Perhaps "what's past is prologue"?
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Shaft
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Location: The Big Smoke
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burnt, you're just a miserable old @#$% from Ontario, which gives us something in common.
As for you Sandy, well:
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| We're all in the same boat, and COOL partnered with an aggressive marketing campaign seems to me the best way to head off the flood of South American beef that the triumvirate of the NCBA/USDA/Packers are intent on bringing to our shores. |
When I see it, I'll believe it, but all I see from R-CALF is continuous attacks on Canada and Canadian cattle producers. Up here we respect those who walk the walk, not those who just talk the talk.
For the general edification of those who have a cosmopolitan view I would refer you to the UK's new agricultural policy document called Food 2030, released last month.
http://www.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/food/pdf/food2030strategy.pdf
Among other things the UK government has identified that profit and risk must be 'spread more fairly across the supply chain' (see page 30). Who knew?
Now Sandy, is R-CALF on board with your surprisingly common-sense approach of 'COOL partnered with an aggressive marketing campaign' (which I wholeheartedly agree with), or will the BS continue?
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