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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You need to look at where you're getting your assurances from.
They claim that prions reside in nervous tissue and that removing the spinal cord (nervous tissue) removes the prions - yet nobody is supposed to connect the dots that there is nervous tissue in every bite you eat? BS me once, shame on you, BS me again.... I figure out that you're a BSer.

I got my assurance from the CCIA, the USDA vet, and the CFIA vet and you got yours from a gang of lawyers looking for any reason to keep Canadian cattle out of the US. I'll take mine over yours any day of the week. Wink

Sandhusker if you don't trust the science then get out of the cattle business Rolling Eyes as you may very well be risking peoples lives just as much as any Canadian producer. Rolling Eyes


Actually, I got mine from any grade-school science teacher. Tell me where I'm wrong; Did the OIE say that the prions are found in nerve tissue? Is there nerve tissue in every bite of beef?


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What is the ? for I'll still take the World experts in Animal science over your grade school teacher any day of the week. Wink They say the beef is safe it the SRM's are removed. They are so sure of their findings they do not recommend banning beef from countries affect by BSE as long as the SRM's are removed properly.

BTW if you don't believe their science then get out of the cattle business as you could very well be risking peoples lives and if you are then I can see how you can live with yourself! Confused


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:46 pm    Post subject: You Betcha !!!! Reply with quote

Comment ; But investigators say efforts to track down stolen cattle rarely bear fruit. There is no national identification database for cattle, and thieves often move quickly, shipping stolen animals to auction markets in other states that do not require brand inspection.

"If they don't have a chip or branding or a tattoo, you're pretty much looking for a black cow," said Arnott, who said he had traced stolen cattle as far as Mississippi" maybe you will get the point but i doubt it.

You need to get ahold of the one company that can track animals even on the move wheather on a truck or moved to a hidden pasture. The real data is stored in the ScoringAg database via a RFID bolus in the second stomach and a telemetry sending device is hidden on the animals which tracks via a computer by signal every 10 seconds any animal movement. ScoringAg works with governments to stop rustling of animals, crops, and equipment. One phone call 941-792-6405 to ScoringAg's Mr. Kanitz and some cash will catch the thieves.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tam, "What I brought was an article that proves Missouri who ranks sixth among all states in total cattle numbers with 4.45 million has no brand registry. You want us to think it is only states with little to no cattle that don't have registries but this article proved the sixth largest cattle producing state doesn't and because they don't it is cause serious problems."

Sounds like they need to brand then, doesn't it? Haven't I been promoting branding here?


What we did here was prove that the USDA has a problem when it comes to carrying out a timely successful national investigation on where a BSE infected cow might have come from, due to the fact you have 50 states, all with different rules, some brand some don't. H*ll there is different rules depending on where you live in some states. In the case of Texas you can have the same brand registered in every county in the State which complicates the problem even more. Rolling Eyes Now think about the success the USDA would have it they had a national ID system like the one the CANADIAN PRODUCERS implemented at a cost we could afford?

Like I asked before how many failed investigations can the USDA get away with before the consumers realize there is a BIG problem in the US Beef Industry that the PRODUCERS don't seem to want to do anything about as it might cost to much?

And is this why the USDA isn't chancing testing and finding additional cases? Confused


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:02 pm    Post subject: Re: You Betcha !!!! Reply with quote

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Comment ; But investigators say efforts to track down stolen cattle rarely bear fruit. There is no national identification database for cattle, and thieves often move quickly, shipping stolen animals to auction markets in other states that do not require brand inspection.

"If they don't have a chip or branding or a tattoo, you're pretty much looking for a black cow," said Arnott, who said he had traced stolen cattle as far as Mississippi" maybe you will get the point but i doubt it.

You need to get ahold of the one company that can track animals even on the move wheather on a truck or moved to a hidden pasture. The real data is stored in the ScoringAg database via a RFID bolus in the second stomach and a telemetry sending device is hidden on the animals which tracks via a computer by signal every 10 seconds any animal movement. ScoringAg works with governments to stop rustling of animals, crops, and equipment. One phone call 941-792-6405 to ScoringAg's Mr. Kanitz and some cash will catch the thieves.


Glad to see You still never miss an opportunity to promote ScoringAg. Porker Wink Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tam wrote:
Sandhusker wrote:
Tam, "What I brought was an article that proves Missouri who ranks sixth among all states in total cattle numbers with 4.45 million has no brand registry. You want us to think it is only states with little to no cattle that don't have registries but this article proved the sixth largest cattle producing state doesn't and because they don't it is cause serious problems."

Sounds like they need to brand then, doesn't it? Haven't I been promoting branding here?


What we did here was prove that the USDA has a problem when it comes to carrying out a timely successful national investigation on where a BSE infected cow might have come from, due to the fact you have 50 states, all with different rules, some brand some don't. H*ll there is different rules depending on where you live in some states. In the case of Texas you can have the same brand registered in every county in the State which complicates the problem even more. Rolling Eyes Now think about the success the USDA would have it they had a national ID system like the one the CANADIAN PRODUCERS implemented at a cost we could afford?

Like I asked before how many failed investigations can the USDA get away with before the consumers realize there is a BIG problem in the US Beef Industry that the PRODUCERS don't seem to want to do anything about as it might cost to much?

And is this why the USDA isn't chancing testing and finding additional cases? Confused


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_nerves_are_in_the_human_body

And grade-school science proves that, if you believe prions are in nerve tissue, you're just fooling yourself if you think SRM removal is removing all the prions.

That should also tell you something about the people who are perpetuating that story.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sandhusker wrote:
Tam wrote:
Sandhusker wrote:
Tam, "What I brought was an article that proves Missouri who ranks sixth among all states in total cattle numbers with 4.45 million has no brand registry. You want us to think it is only states with little to no cattle that don't have registries but this article proved the sixth largest cattle producing state doesn't and because they don't it is cause serious problems."

Sounds like they need to brand then, doesn't it? Haven't I been promoting branding here?


What we did here was prove that the USDA has a problem when it comes to carrying out a timely successful national investigation on where a BSE infected cow might have come from, due to the fact you have 50 states, all with different rules, some brand some don't. H*ll there is different rules depending on where you live in some states. In the case of Texas you can have the same brand registered in every county in the State which complicates the problem even more. Rolling Eyes Now think about the success the USDA would have it they had a national ID system like the one the CANADIAN PRODUCERS implemented at a cost we could afford?

Like I asked before how many failed investigations can the USDA get away with before the consumers realize there is a BIG problem in the US Beef Industry that the PRODUCERS don't seem to want to do anything about as it might cost to much?

And is this why the USDA isn't chancing testing and finding additional cases? Confused


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_nerves_are_in_the_human_body

And grade-school science proves that, if you believe prions are in nerve tissue, you're just fooling yourself if you think SRM removal is removing all the prions.

That should also tell you something about the people who are perpetuating that story.


Sandhusher how do you live with yourself knowing an industry you make a living at is risking peoples lives?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tam wrote:
Sandhusker wrote:
Tam wrote:
Sandhusker wrote:
Tam, "What I brought was an article that proves Missouri who ranks sixth among all states in total cattle numbers with 4.45 million has no brand registry. You want us to think it is only states with little to no cattle that don't have registries but this article proved the sixth largest cattle producing state doesn't and because they don't it is cause serious problems."

Sounds like they need to brand then, doesn't it? Haven't I been promoting branding here?


What we did here was prove that the USDA has a problem when it comes to carrying out a timely successful national investigation on where a BSE infected cow might have come from, due to the fact you have 50 states, all with different rules, some brand some don't. H*ll there is different rules depending on where you live in some states. In the case of Texas you can have the same brand registered in every county in the State which complicates the problem even more. Rolling Eyes Now think about the success the USDA would have it they had a national ID system like the one the CANADIAN PRODUCERS implemented at a cost we could afford?

Like I asked before how many failed investigations can the USDA get away with before the consumers realize there is a BIG problem in the US Beef Industry that the PRODUCERS don't seem to want to do anything about as it might cost to much?

And is this why the USDA isn't chancing testing and finding additional cases? Confused


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_nerves_are_in_the_human_body

And grade-school science proves that, if you believe prions are in nerve tissue, you're just fooling yourself if you think SRM removal is removing all the prions.

That should also tell you something about the people who are perpetuating that story.


Sandhusher how do you live with yourself knowing an industry you make a living at is risking peoples lives?


Well clearly the connection is less clear than when you work in a munitions factory!! Laughing Laughing Laughing


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

burnt wrote:
Tam wrote:
Sandhusker wrote:
Tam wrote:
Sandhusker wrote:
Tam, "What I brought was an article that proves Missouri who ranks sixth among all states in total cattle numbers with 4.45 million has no brand registry. You want us to think it is only states with little to no cattle that don't have registries but this article proved the sixth largest cattle producing state doesn't and because they don't it is cause serious problems."

Sounds like they need to brand then, doesn't it? Haven't I been promoting branding here?


What we did here was prove that the USDA has a problem when it comes to carrying out a timely successful national investigation on where a BSE infected cow might have come from, due to the fact you have 50 states, all with different rules, some brand some don't. H*ll there is different rules depending on where you live in some states. In the case of Texas you can have the same brand registered in every county in the State which complicates the problem even more. Rolling Eyes Now think about the success the USDA would have it they had a national ID system like the one the CANADIAN PRODUCERS implemented at a cost we could afford?

Like I asked before how many failed investigations can the USDA get away with before the consumers realize there is a BIG problem in the US Beef Industry that the PRODUCERS don't seem to want to do anything about as it might cost to much?

And is this why the USDA isn't chancing testing and finding additional cases? Confused


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_nerves_are_in_the_human_body

And grade-school science proves that, if you believe prions are in nerve tissue, you're just fooling yourself if you think SRM removal is removing all the prions.

That should also tell you something about the people who are perpetuating that story.


Sandhusher how do you live with yourself knowing an industry you make a living at is risking peoples lives?


Well clearly the connection is less clear than when you work in a munitions factory!! Laughing Laughing Laughing


The way Sandhusker likes to talk about the risk of eating beef you would have to think people are dieing left right and center. BUT

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It is believed by most scientists that the disease may be transmitted to human beings who eat the brain or spinal cord of infected carcasses.[3] In humans, it is known as new variant Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease (vCJD or nvCJD), and by October 2009, it had killed 166 people in Britain (the most recent being of a different genotype to other sufferers[4]), and 44 elsewhere[5] with the number expected to rise because of the disease's long incubation period.[6] Between 460,000 and 482,000 BSE-infected animals had entered the human food chain before controls on high-risk offal were introduced in 1989.[7]



Gee according to this 482,000 infected cows entered the food chain before the controls were put on in 1989 and only 208 have died worldwide, That means one person has died for every 2317.3 infected animals that entered the food chain and NOW we take the parts the"World Experts" consider to be high risk out of the mix. I'm beginning to think Sandhusker won't be happy until he has fear mongered the beef industry into bankrupcy and everyone becomes vegans as not to risk their lives by daring to eat beef. Mad


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may be right and that's the trouble with protectionists - they don't see the harm they are doing until it's too late.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tam, I can understand why you're trying to villianize me, but I'm not standing for it. I'm calling out the BS and you're defending it. Who's the guilty one here?

This morning, I asked my 5th grade son where nerves were in your body. He replied, "Everywhere". A Fifth-grader knows this, I know it, YOU know it. What do you think that does to one's credibilty when they deny grade-school anatomy? If you want to deny reality, join Obama's administration and get paid for it. Laughing If you don't mind people BSing you to further their agenda, that's up to you. I find it insulting.

If you want to argue that BSE isn't easily contracted via consumption of infected beef, go for it. Looks like you've got an arguement. However that is a tangent. What I'm saying - and you have yet to refute - is that nerves are in every bite of tissue that you eat, and if prions reside in nerve tissue they have to be in every bite as well. Therefore, to make the claim that removing SRMs removes all the prions and eliminates the risk of contracting BSE is nothing but snakeoil.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:39 pm    Post subject: sporadic cjd Reply with quote

Tam wrote:
burnt wrote:
Tam wrote:
Sandhusker wrote:
Tam wrote:
Sandhusker wrote:
Tam, "What I brought was an article that proves Missouri who ranks sixth among all states in total cattle numbers with 4.45 million has no brand registry. You want us to think it is only states with little to no cattle that don't have registries but this article proved the sixth largest cattle producing state doesn't and because they don't it is cause serious problems."

Sounds like they need to brand then, doesn't it? Haven't I been promoting branding here?


What we did here was prove that the USDA has a problem when it comes to carrying out a timely successful national investigation on where a BSE infected cow might have come from, due to the fact you have 50 states, all with different rules, some brand some don't. H*ll there is different rules depending on where you live in some states. In the case of Texas you can have the same brand registered in every county in the State which complicates the problem even more. Rolling Eyes Now think about the success the USDA would have it they had a national ID system like the one the CANADIAN PRODUCERS implemented at a cost we could afford?

Like I asked before how many failed investigations can the USDA get away with before the consumers realize there is a BIG problem in the US Beef Industry that the PRODUCERS don't seem to want to do anything about as it might cost to much?

And is this why the USDA isn't chancing testing and finding additional cases? Confused


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_nerves_are_in_the_human_body

And grade-school science proves that, if you believe prions are in nerve tissue, you're just fooling yourself if you think SRM removal is removing all the prions.

That should also tell you something about the people who are perpetuating that story.


Sandhusher how do you live with yourself knowing an industry you make a living at is risking peoples lives?


Well clearly the connection is less clear than when you work in a munitions factory!! Laughing Laughing Laughing


The way Sandhusker likes to talk about the risk of eating beef you would have to think people are dieing left right and center. BUT

Quote:
It is believed by most scientists that the disease may be transmitted to human beings who eat the brain or spinal cord of infected carcasses.[3] In humans, it is known as new variant Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease (vCJD or nvCJD), and by October 2009, it had killed 166 people in Britain (the most recent being of a different genotype to other sufferers[4]), and 44 elsewhere[5] with the number expected to rise because of the disease's long incubation period.[6] Between 460,000 and 482,000 BSE-infected animals had entered the human food chain before controls on high-risk offal were introduced in 1989.[7]



Gee according to this 482,000 infected cows entered the food chain before the controls were put on in 1989 and only 208 have died worldwide, That means one person has died for every 2317.3 infected animals that entered the food chain and NOW we take the parts the"World Experts" consider to be high risk out of the mix. I'm beginning to think Sandhusker won't be happy until he has fear mongered the beef industry into bankrupcy and everyone becomes vegans as not to risk their lives by daring to eat beef. Mad




your missing the bigger picture here. the UKBSEnvCJD _only_ theory is trash, and has been proven to be trash.

sporadic CJD is not one strain of spontaneous TSE. there are 6 sub-types of sporadic CJD. sporadic CJD is nothing more than 6 different phenotypes or strains of CJD of unknown routes and sources coming from bse and these atypical TSE, and or friendly fire there from. 85%+ of all human TSE i.e. sporadic CJD, is not a spontaneous event from nothing. iCJD is nothing more than sCJD until a route and source is proven, and with traceback and surveillance for CJD in the USA, that's like a crap shoot. same with cattle AND TSE. how do you explain sporadic CJD rising in documented BSE countries at the same time with nvCJD ???


CJD RISING SWITZERLAND

CJD is a predominantly sporadic disorder but can also occur as a dominantly inherited or infective condition. Only one of the 26 most recent confirmed cases was identified as carrying a disease related mutation of the PRNP gene, none had identifiable iatrogenic exposure, and none resembled variant CJD. Thus 25 of the 26 cases appear to be sporadic cases. Sporadic CJD is distributed worldwide with a reported incidence of about one in a million per year. Raised awareness of the disease in recent years could account for an increase in reported cases of CJD, although neither an increase in the average age of patients nor more frequent recognition of CJD amongst residents of nursing homes (where dementing illness is prevalent and misdiagnosis might be expected) were seen in the Swiss cases. Moreover, improved ascertainment as an explanation for the observed increase would imply levels of under-reporting in countries other than Switzerland, which appear implausible. The authors of the Lancet report suggest that the rise in cases might be due to some form of unidentified iatrogenic transmission or to exposure to a zoonotic source of infection, though cases do not resemble variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD). The ongoing surveillance of CJD in Switzerland and the rest of Europe is essential to monitor the situation to see if this rise is sustained in Switzerland, and if a similar rise occurs in other countries (see http://www.eurocjd.ed.ac.uk).

http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=1921

Prion data suggest BSE link to sporadic CJD Declan Butler

Predicting the number of cases of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) in people as a result of transmission of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) has just got more difficult.Whereas it was thought that BSE only caused a new form of the disease called variant CJD (vCJD), a study in mice from a team led by John Collinge at University College London suggests that it may also cause a disease indistinguishable from the commonest form of classical, or 'sporadic', CJD...

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v420/n6915/full/420450a.html

BSE prions propagate as either variant CJD-like or sporadic CJD-like prion strains in transgenic mice expressing human prion protein

Emmanuel A. Asante, Jacqueline M. Linehan, Melanie Desbruslais, Susan Joiner, Ian Gowland, Andrew L. Wood, Julie Welch, Andrew F. Hill, Sarah E. Lloyd, Jonathan D.F. Wadsworth, and John Collinge1 MRC Prion Unit and Department of Neurodegenerative Disease, Institute of Neurology, University College, Queen Square, London WC1N 3BG, UK 1Corresponding author e-mail: j.collinge@prion.ucl.ac.ukReceived August 1, 2002; Revised September 24, 2002; Accepted October 17, 2002.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC136957/?tool=pubmed

IF we look at sporadic incidence of CJD in UK from 1993 to 2003, the incidence rose from 37 in 1993 to 77 in 2003. THIS seems to show an increase to me? I do not understand the statement ;

However, in the period following the first published description of vCJD in 1996, there was no increasing trend in the reported annual number of U.K. sporadic CJD deaths (52).

IF we go further and look at some of the other documented BSE countries, you will the increase of sporadic CJD there as well ;

Canada from 2 to 25

France from 35 to 108

Germany 21+ to 96

Italy 27 to 76

http://www.eurocjd.ed.ac.uk/sporadic.htm

Switzerland sporadic CJD ;

Swiss rise in CJD raises concerns over possible BSE link [LONDON] THE LANCET

Plaque attack: Swiss patients have spongiform patterns in the brain typical of sporadic CJD. The number of people dying from Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) has risen sharply in Switzerland -- sparking fears of a possible link with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE).

BSE is thought to be the cause of a distinctive form of the brain-wasting disease known as variant CJD. The Swiss cases, in contrast, are standard 'sporadic' CJD. Each year between 1997 and 2000, no more than 11 Swiss people developed CJD. But 19 cases were reported in 2001, and seven were recorded in the first quarter of this year. This is some four times higher than the incidence elsewhere, reports a team led by Adriano Aguzzi of the University Hospital Zurich (M. Glatzel et al. Lancet 360, 139-141; 2002).

The increase could be a mere statistical blip, or it may be due to increased awareness of the disease leading to more diagnoses. More disturbing is the possibility that the cases are linked to the consumption of BSE-infected meat products -- which would mean that the BSE agent can cause two distinct forms of CJD.

Possible links between the Swiss CJD cases and BSE will now be explored by strain-typing experiments in which the disease is transmitted to mice. These tests will take at least a year to complete. "It's the best way to establish or exclude any suspected link," says Moira Bruce of the UK Institute for Animal Health's Neuropathogenesis Unit in Edinburgh.

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Experiences in England and Switzerland -- two countries that discovered mad cow disease in their cattle -- have heightened concerns about the possibility some cases of sporadic CJD are due to consuming mad-cow-tainted beef. Both countries have reported increases in sporadic CJD since mad cow was first detected in British herds in 1986.

Switzerland discovered last year its CJD rate was twice that of any other country in the world. Switzerland had been seeing about eight to 11 cases per year from 1997 to 2000. Then the incidence more than doubled, to 19 cases in 2001 and 18 cases in 2002.

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030721-102924-4786r

Mouse model sheds new light on human prion disease

snip...

Professor John Collinge said We are not saying that all or even most cases of sporadic CJD are as a result of BSE exposure, but some more recent cases may be  the incidence of sporadic CJD has shown an upward trend in the UK over the last decade. While most of this apparent increase may be because doctors are now more aware of CJD and better at diagnosing it, serious consideration should be given to a proportion of this rise being BSE-related. Switzerland, which has had a substantial BSE epidemic, has noted a sharp recent increase in sporadic CJD.

snip...

http://www.mrc.ac.uk/txt/index/public-interest/public-news-4/public-news_archive/public-news-archive_nov_dec_02/public-bse_and_sporadic_cjd.htm



2006

USA sporadic CJD cases rising ;

There is a growing number of human CJD cases, and they were presented last week in San Francisco by Luigi Gambatti(?) from his CJD surveillance collection.

He estimates that it may be up to 14 or 15 persons which display selectively SPRPSC and practically no detected RPRPSC proteins.

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/transcripts/1006-4240t1.htm

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/transcripts/2006-4240t1.pdf

2008

The statistical incidence of CJD cases in the United States has been revised to reflect that there is one case per 9000 in adults age 55 and older. Eighty-five percent of the cases are sporadic, meaning there is no known cause at present.

http://www.cjdfoundation.org/fact.html

CJD USA RISING, with UNKNOWN PHENOTYPE ;

5 Includes 41 cases in which the diagnosis is pending, and 17 inconclusive cases;

*** 6 Includes 46 cases with type determination pending in which the diagnosis of vCJD has been excluded.

http://www.cjdsurveillance.com/pdf/case-table.pdf

Saturday, January 2, 2010

Human Prion Diseases in the United States January 1, 2010 ***FINAL***

http://prionunitusaupdate2008.blogspot.com/2010/01/human-prion-diseases-in-united-states.html

my comments to PLosone here ;

http://www.plosone.org/annotation/listThread.action?inReplyTo=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fannotation%2F04ce2b24-613d-46e6-9802-4131e2bfa6fd&root=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fannotation%2F04ce2b24-613d-46e6-9802-4131e2bfa6fd



Atypical BSE (BASE) Transmitted from Asymptomatic Aging Cattle to a Primate

Emmanuel E. Comoy1*, Cristina Casalone2, Nathalie Lescoutra-Etchegaray1, Gianluigi Zanusso3, Sophie Freire1, Dominique Marcé1, Frédéric Auvré1, Marie-Magdeleine Ruchoux1, Sergio Ferrari3, Salvatore Monaco3, Nicole Salès4, Maria Caramelli2, Philippe Leboulch1,5, Paul Brown1, Corinne I. Lasmézas4, Jean-Philippe Deslys1

1 Institute of Emerging Diseases and Innovative Therapies, CEA, Fontenay-aux-Roses, France, 2 Istituto Zooprofilattico Sperimentale del Piemonte, Turin, Italy, 3 Policlinico G.B. Rossi, Verona, Italy, 4 Scripps Florida, Jupiter, Florida, United States of America, 5 Genetics Division, Brigham & Women's Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts, United States of America

Abstract Top Background Human variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (vCJD) results from foodborne transmission of prions from slaughtered cattle with classical Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (cBSE). Atypical forms of BSE, which remain mostly asymptomatic in aging cattle, were recently identified at slaughterhouses throughout Europe and North America, raising a question about human susceptibility to these new prion strains.

Methodology/Principal Findings Brain homogenates from cattle with classical BSE and atypical (BASE) infections were inoculated intracerebrally into cynomolgus monkeys (Macacca fascicularis), a non-human primate model previously demonstrated to be susceptible to the original strain of cBSE. The resulting diseases were compared in terms of clinical signs, histology and biochemistry of the abnormal prion protein (PrPres). The single monkey infected with BASE had a shorter survival, and a different clinical evolution, histopathology, and prion protein (PrPres) pattern than was observed for either classical BSE or vCJD-inoculated animals. Also, the biochemical signature of PrPres in the BASE-inoculated animal was found to have a higher proteinase K sensitivity of the octa-repeat region. We found the same biochemical signature in three of four human patients with sporadic CJD and an MM type 2 PrP genotype who lived in the same country as the infected bovine.

Conclusion/Significance Our results point to a possibly higher degree of pathogenicity of BASE than classical BSE in primates and also raise a question about a possible link to one uncommon subset of cases of apparently sporadic CJD. Thus, despite the waning epidemic of classical BSE, the occurrence of atypical strains should temper the urge to relax measures currently in place to protect public health from accidental contamination by BSE-contaminated products.

Citation: Comoy EE, Casalone C, Lescoutra-Etchegaray N, Zanusso G, Freire S, et al. (2008) Atypical BSE (BASE) Transmitted from Asymptomatic Aging Cattle to a Primate. PLoS ONE 3(Cool: e3017. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0003017

Editor: Neil Mabbott, University of Edinburgh, United Kingdom

Received: April 24, 2008; Accepted: August 1, 2008; Published: August 20, 2008

Copyright: © 2008 Comoy et al. This is an open-access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License, which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original author and source are credited.

Funding: This work has been supported by the Network of Excellence NeuroPrion.

Competing interests: CEA owns a patent covering the BSE diagnostic tests commercialized by the company Bio-Rad.

* E-mail: mhtml:%7B33B38F65-8D2E-434D-8F9B-8BDCD77D3066%7Dmid://00000110/!x-usc:mailto:emmanuel.comoy@cea.fr

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0003017


P02.35

Molecular Features of the Protease-resistant Prion Protein (PrPres) in H-type BSE

Biacabe, A-G1; Jacobs, JG2; Gavier-Widén, D3; Vulin, J1; Langeveld, JPM2; Baron, TGM1 1AFSSA, France; 2CIDC-Lelystad, Netherlands; 3SVA, Sweden

Western blot analyses of PrPres accumulating in the brain of BSE-infected cattle have demonstrated 3 different molecular phenotypes regarding to the apparent molecular masses and glycoform ratios of PrPres bands. We initially described isolates (H-type BSE) essentially characterized by higher PrPres molecular mass and decreased levels of the diglycosylated PrPres band, in contrast to the classical type of BSE. This type is also distinct from another BSE phenotype named L-type BSE, or also BASE (for Bovine Amyloid Spongiform Encephalopathy), mainly characterized by a low representation of the diglycosylated PrPres band as well as a lower PrPres molecular mass. Retrospective molecular studies in France of all available BSE cases older than 8 years old and of part of the other cases identified since the beginning of the exhaustive surveillance of the disease in 20001 allowed to identify 7 H-type BSE cases, among 594 BSE cases that could be classified as classical, L- or H-type BSE. By Western blot analysis of H-type PrPres, we described a remarkable specific feature with antibodies raised against the C-terminal region of PrP that demonstrated the existence of a more C-terminal cleaved form of PrPres (named PrPres#2 ), in addition to the usual PrPres form (PrPres #1). In the unglycosylated form, PrPres #2 migrates at about 14 kDa, compared to 20 kDa for PrPres #1. The proportion of the PrPres#2 in cattle seems to by higher compared to the PrPres#1. Furthermore another PK-resistant fragment at about 7 kDa was detected by some more N-terminal antibodies and presumed to be the result of cleavages of both N- and C-terminal parts of PrP. These singular features were maintained after transmission of the disease to C57Bl/6 mice. The identification of these two additional PrPres fragments (PrPres #2 and 7kDa band) reminds features reported respectively in sporadic Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease and in Gerstmann-Sträussler-Scheinker (GSS) syndrome in humans.

http://www.neuroprion.com/pdf_docs/conferences/prion2007/abstract_book.pdf




Atypical Nor-98 states in this report for January 2010 include ; Maine, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Oregon

kind regards, terry

Monday, December 14, 2009

Similarities between Forms of Sheep Scrapie and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease Are Encoded by Distinct Prion Types

hmmm, this is getting interesting now...

> Sporadic CJD type 1 and atypical/ Nor98 scrapie are characterized by fine (reticular) deposits,

see also ;

All of the Heidenhain variants were of the methionine/ methionine type 1 molecular subtype.

> http://cjdusa.blogspot.com/2009/09/co-existence-of-scrapie-prion-protein.html

see full text ;

Monday, December 14, 2009

Similarities between Forms of Sheep Scrapie and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease Are Encoded by Distinct Prion Types

http://nor-98.blogspot.com/2009/12/similarities-between-forms-of-sheep.html



P03.141

Aspects of the Cerebellar Neuropathology in Nor98

Gavier-Widén, D1; Benestad, SL2; Ottander, L1; Westergren, E1 1National Veterinary Insitute, Sweden; 2National Veterinary Institute,

Norway Nor98 is a prion disease of old sheep and goats. This atypical form of scrapie was first described in Norway in 1998. Several features of Nor98 were shown to be different from classical scrapie including the distribution of disease associated prion protein (PrPd) accumulation in the brain. The cerebellum is generally the most affected brain area in Nor98. The study here presented aimed at adding information on the neuropathology in the cerebellum of Nor98 naturally affected sheep of various genotypes in Sweden and Norway. A panel of histochemical and immunohistochemical (IHC) stainings such as IHC for PrPd, synaptophysin, glial fibrillary acidic protein, amyloid, and cell markers for phagocytic cells were conducted. The type of histological lesions and tissue reactions were evaluated. The types of PrPd deposition were characterized. The cerebellar cortex was regularly affected, even though there was a variation in the severity of the lesions from case to case. Neuropil vacuolation was more marked in the molecular layer, but affected also the granular cell layer. There was a loss of granule cells. Punctate deposition of PrPd was characteristic. It was morphologically and in distribution identical with that of synaptophysin, suggesting that PrPd accumulates in the synaptic structures. PrPd was also observed in the granule cell layer and in the white matter. The pathology features of Nor98 in the cerebellum of the affected sheep showed similarities with those of sporadic Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in humans.

***The pathology features of Nor98 in the cerebellum of the affected sheep showed similarities with those of sporadic Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in humans.

http://www.prion2007.com/pdf/Prion%20Book%20of%20Abstracts.pdf

PR-26

NOR98 SHOWS MOLECULAR FEATURES REMINISCENT OF GSS

R. Nonno1, E. Esposito1, G. Vaccari1, E. Bandino2, M. Conte1, B. Chiappini1, S. Marcon1, M. Di Bari1, S.L. Benestad3, U. Agrimi1 1 Istituto Superiore di Sanità, Department of Food Safety and Veterinary Public Health, Rome, Italy (romolo.nonno@iss.it); 2 Istituto Zooprofilattico della Sardegna, Sassari, Italy; 3 National Veterinary Institute, Department of Pathology, Oslo, Norway

Molecular variants of PrPSc are being increasingly investigated in sheep scrapie and are generally referred to as "atypical" scrapie, as opposed to "classical scrapie". Among the atypical group, Nor98 seems to be the best identified. We studied the molecular properties of Italian and Norwegian Nor98 samples by WB analysis of brain homogenates, either untreated, digested with different concentrations of proteinase K, or subjected to enzymatic deglycosylation. The identity of PrP fragments was inferred by means of antibodies spanning the full PrP sequence. We found that undigested brain homogenates contain a Nor98-specific PrP fragment migrating at 11 kDa (PrP11), truncated at both the C-terminus and the N-terminus, and not N-glycosylated. After mild PK digestion, Nor98 displayed full-length PrP (FL-PrP) and N-glycosylated C-terminal fragments (CTF), along with increased levels of PrP11. Proteinase K digestion curves (0,006-6,4 mg/ml) showed that FL-PrP and CTF are mainly digested above 0,01 mg/ml, while PrP11 is not entirely digested even at the highest concentrations, similarly to PrP27-30 associated with classical scrapie. Above 0,2 mg/ml PK, most Nor98 samples showed only PrP11 and a fragment of 17 kDa with the same properties of PrP11, that was tentatively identified as a dimer of PrP11. Detergent solubility studies showed that PrP11 is insoluble in 2% sodium laurylsorcosine and is mainly produced from detergentsoluble, full-length PrPSc. Furthermore, among Italian scrapie isolates, we found that a sample with molecular and pathological properties consistent with Nor98 showed plaque-like deposits of PrPSc in the thalamus when the brain was analysed by PrPSc immunohistochemistry. Taken together, our results show that the distinctive pathological feature of Nor98 is a PrP fragment spanning amino acids ~ 90-155. This fragment is produced by successive N-terminal and C-terminal cleavages from a full-length and largely detergent-soluble PrPSc, is produced in vivo and is extremely resistant to PK digestion.

*** Intriguingly, these conclusions suggest that some pathological features of Nor98 are reminiscent of Gerstmann-Sträussler-Scheinker disease.

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http://www.neuroprion.com/pdf_docs/conferences/prion2006/abstract_book.pdf

A newly identified type of scrapie agent can naturally infect sheep with resistant PrP genotypes

Annick Le Dur*,?, Vincent Béringue*,?, Olivier Andréoletti?, Fabienne Reine*, Thanh Lan Laï*, Thierry Baron§, Bjørn Bratberg¶, Jean-Luc Vilotte?, Pierre Sarradin**, Sylvie L. Benestad¶, and Hubert Laude*,?? +Author Affiliations

*Virologie Immunologie Moléculaires and ?Génétique Biochimique et Cytogénétique, Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique, 78350 Jouy-en-Josas, France; ?Unité Mixte de Recherche, Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique-Ecole Nationale Vétérinaire de Toulouse, Interactions Hôte Agent Pathogène, 31066 Toulouse, France; §Agence Française de Sécurité Sanitaire des Aliments, Unité Agents Transmissibles Non Conventionnels, 69364 Lyon, France; **Pathologie Infectieuse et Immunologie, Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique, 37380 Nouzilly, France; and ¶Department of Pathology, National Veterinary Institute, 0033 Oslo, Norway

Edited by Stanley B. Prusiner, University of California, San Francisco, CA (received for review March 21, 2005)

Abstract Scrapie in small ruminants belongs to transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSEs), or prion diseases, a family of fatal neurodegenerative disorders that affect humans and animals and can transmit within and between species by ingestion or inoculation. Conversion of the host-encoded prion protein (PrP), normal cellular PrP (PrPc), into a misfolded form, abnormal PrP (PrPSc), plays a key role in TSE transmission and pathogenesis. The intensified surveillance of scrapie in the European Union, together with the improvement of PrPSc detection techniques, has led to the discovery of a growing number of so-called atypical scrapie cases. These include clinical Nor98 cases first identified in Norwegian sheep on the basis of unusual pathological and PrPSc molecular features and "cases" that produced discordant responses in the rapid tests currently applied to the large-scale random screening of slaughtered or fallen animals. Worryingly, a substantial proportion of such cases involved sheep with PrP genotypes known until now to confer natural resistance to conventional scrapie. Here we report that both Nor98 and discordant cases, including three sheep homozygous for the resistant PrPARR allele (A136R154R171), efficiently transmitted the disease to transgenic mice expressing ovine PrP, and that they shared unique biological and biochemical features upon propagation in mice. These observations support the view that a truly infectious TSE agent, unrecognized until recently, infects sheep and goat flocks and may have important implications in terms of scrapie control and public health.

http://www.pnas.org/content/102/44/16031.abstract

Monday, December 1, 2008 When Atypical Scrapie cross species barriers

Authors

Andreoletti O., Herva M. H., Cassard H., Espinosa J. C., Lacroux C., Simon S., Padilla D., Benestad S. L., Lantier F., Schelcher F., Grassi J., Torres, J. M., UMR INRA ENVT 1225, Ecole Nationale Veterinaire de Toulouse.France; ICISA-INlA, Madrid, Spain; CEA, IBiTec-5, DSV, CEA/Saclay, Gif sur Yvette cedex, France; National Veterinary Institute, Postboks 750 Sentrum, 0106 Oslo, Norway, INRA IASP, Centre INRA de Tours, 3738O Nouzilly, France.

Content

Atypical scrapie is a TSE occurring in small ruminants and harbouring peculiar clinical, epidemiological and biochemical properties. Currently this form of disease is identified in a large number of countries. In this study we report the transmission of an atypical scrapie isolate through different species barriers as modeled by transgenic mice (Tg) expressing different species PRP sequence.

The donor isolate was collected in 1995 in a French commercial sheep flock. inoculation into AHQ/AHQ sheep induced a disease which had all neuro-pathological and biochemical characteristics of atypical scrapie. Transmitted into Transgenic mice expressing either ovine or PrPc, the isolate retained all the described characteristics of atypical scrapie.

Surprisingly the TSE agent characteristics were dramatically different v/hen passaged into Tg bovine mice. The recovered TSE agent had biological and biochemical characteristics similar to those of atypical BSE L in the same mouse model. Moreover, whereas no other TSE agent than BSE were shown to transmit into Tg porcine mice, atypical scrapie was able to develop into this model, albeit with low attack rate on first passage.

Furthermore, after adaptation in the porcine mouse model this prion showed similar biological and biochemical characteristics than BSE adapted to this porcine mouse model. Altogether these data indicate.

(i) the unsuspected potential abilities of atypical scrapie to cross species barriers

(ii) the possible capacity of this agent to acquire new characteristics when crossing species barrier

These findings raise some interrogation on the concept of TSE strain and on the origin of the diversity of the TSE agents and could have consequences on field TSE control measures.

http://www.neuroprion.org/resources/pdf_docs/conferences/prion2008/abstract-book-prion2008.pdf



Wednesday, March 3, 2010

NOR-98 ATYPICAL SCRAPIE USA 4 CASES DETECTED JANUARY 2010


http://nor-98.blogspot.com/2010/03/nor-98-atypical-scrapie-usa-4-cases.html


EVIDENCE OF SCRAPIE IN SHEEP AS A RESULT OF FOOD BORNE EXPOSURE

This is provided by the statistically significant increase in the incidence
of sheep scrape from 1985, as determined from analyses of the submissions
made to VI Centres, and from individual case and flock incident studies.
........

http://web.archive.org/web/20010305222246/www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1994/02/07002001.pdf

1: J Infect Dis 1980 Aug;142(2):205-8

Oral transmission of kuru, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, and scrapie to
nonhuman primates.

Gibbs CJ Jr, Amyx HL, Bacote A, Masters CL, Gajdusek DC.

Kuru and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease of humans and scrapie disease of sheep
and goats were transmitted to squirrel monkeys (Saimiri sciureus) that were
exposed to the infectious agents only by their nonforced consumption of
known infectious tissues. The asymptomatic incubation period in the one
monkey exposed to the virus of kuru was 36 months; that in the two monkeys
exposed to the virus of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease was 23 and 27 months,
respectively; and that in the two monkeys exposed to the virus of scrapie
was 25 and 32 months, respectively. Careful physical examination of the
buccal cavities of all of the monkeys failed to reveal signs or oral
lesions. One additional monkey similarly exposed to kuru has remained
asymptomatic during the 39 months that it has been under observation.

snip...

The successful transmission of kuru, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, and scrapie
by natural feeding to squirrel monkeys that we have reported provides
further grounds for concern that scrapie-infected meat may occasionally give
rise in humans to Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.

PMID: 6997404

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=6997404&dopt=Abstract





14th ICID International Scientific Exchange Brochure -

Final Abstract Number: ISE.114

Session: International Scientific Exchange

Transmissible Spongiform encephalopathy (TSE) animal and human TSE in North America

update October 2009

T. Singeltary

Bacliff, TX, USA

Background:

An update on atypical BSE and other TSE in North America. Please remember, the typical U.K. c-BSE, the atypical l-BSE (BASE), and h-BSE have all been documented in North America, along with the typical scrapie's, and atypical Nor-98 Scrapie, and to date, 2 different strains of CWD, and also TME. All these TSE in different species have been rendered and fed to food producing animals for humans and animals in North America (TSE in cats and dogs ?), and that the trading of these TSEs via animals and products via the USA and Canada has been immense over the years, decades.

Methods:

12 years independent research of available data

Results:

I propose that the current diagnostic criteria for human TSEs only enhances and helps the spreading of human TSE from the continued belief of the UKBSEnvCJD only theory in 2009. With all the science to date refuting it, to continue to validate this old myth, will only spread this TSE agent through a multitude of potential routes and sources i.e. consumption, medical i.e., surgical, blood, dental, endoscopy, optical, nutritional supplements, cosmetics etc.

Conclusion:

I would like to submit a review of past CJD surveillance in the USA, and the urgent need to make all human TSE in the USA a reportable disease, in every state, of every age group, and to make this mandatory immediately without further delay. The ramifications of not doing so will only allow this agent to spread further in the medical, dental, surgical arena's. Restricting the reporting of CJD and or any human TSE is NOT scientific. Iatrogenic CJD knows NO age group, TSE knows no boundaries. I propose as with Aguzzi, Asante, Collinge, Caughey, Deslys, Dormont, Gibbs, Gajdusek, Ironside, Manuelidis, Marsh, et al and many more, that the world of TSE Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathy is far from an exact science, but there is enough proven science to date that this myth should be put to rest once and for all, and that we move forward with a new classification for human and animal TSE that would properly identify the infected species, the source species, and then the route.


http://ww2.isid.org/Downloads/14th_ICID_ISE_Abstracts.pdf



International Society for Infectious Diseases Web: http://www.isid.org



Saturday, January 2, 2010

Human Prion Diseases in the United States January 1, 2010 ***FINAL***


http://prionunitusaupdate2008.blogspot.com/2010/01/human-prion-diseases-in-united-states.html


my comments to PLosone here ;


http://www.plosone.org/annotation/listThread.action?inReplyTo=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fannotation%2F04ce2b24-613d-46e6-9802-4131e2bfa6fd&root=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fannotation%2F04ce2b24-613d-46e6-9802-4131e2bfa6fd



Friday, February 05, 2010

New Variant Creutzfelt Jakob Disease case reports United States 2010 A Review

http://vcjd.blogspot.com/2010/02/new-variant-creutzfelt-jakob-disease.html


Sunday, February 14, 2010

[Docket No. FSIS-2006-0011] FSIS Harvard Risk Assessment of Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE)

http://bseusa.blogspot.com/2010/02/docket-no-fsis-2006-0011-fsis-harvard.html




I ask Professor Kong ;

Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: RE: re--Chronic Wating Disease (CWD) and Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathies (BSE): Public Health Risk Assessment

''IS the h-BSE more virulent than typical BSE as well, or the same as cBSE, or less virulent than cBSE? just curious.....''

Professor Kong reply ;

.....snip

''As to the H-BSE, we do not have sufficient data to say one way or another, but we have found that H-BSE can infect humans. I hope we could publish these data once the study is complete. Thanks for your interest.''

Best regards, Qingzhong Kong, PhD Associate Professor Department of Pathology Case Western Reserve University Cleveland, OH 44106 USA

END...TSS

P26

TRANSMISSION OF ATYPICAL BOVINE SPONGIFORM ENCEPHALOPATHY (BSE) IN HUMANIZED MOUSE MODELS

Liuting Qing1, Fusong Chen1, Michael Payne1, Wenquan Zou1, Cristina Casalone2, Martin Groschup3, Miroslaw Polak4, Maria Caramelli2, Pierluigi Gambetti1, Juergen Richt5*, and Qingzhong Kong1 1Department of Pathology, Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH 44106, USA; 2CEA, Istituto Zooprofilattico Sperimentale, Italy; 3Friedrich-Loeffler-Institut, Germany; 4National Veterinary Research Institute, Poland; 5Kansas State University, Diagnostic Medicine/Pathobiology Department, Manhattan, KS 66506, USA. *Previous address: USDA National Animal Disease Center, Ames, IA 50010, USA

Classical BSE is a world-wide prion disease in cattle, and the classical BSE strain (BSE-C) has led to over 200 cases of clinical human infection (variant CJD). Two atypical BSE strains, BSE-L (also named BASE) and BSE-H, have been discovered in three continents since 2004. The first case of naturally occurring BSE with mutated bovine PrP gene (termed BSE-M) was also found in 2006 in the USA. The transmissibility and phenotypes of these atypical BSE strains/isolates in humans were unknown. We have inoculated humanized transgenic mice with classical and atypical BSE strains (BSE-C, BSE-L, BSE-H) and the BSE-M isolate. We have found that the atypical BSE-L strain is much more virulent than the classical BSE-C. The atypical BSE-H strain is also transmissible in the humanized transgenic mice with distinct phenotype, but no transmission has been observed for the BSE-M isolate so far.

III International Symposium on THE NEW PRION BIOLOGY: BASIC SCIENCE, DIAGNOSIS AND THERAPY 2 - 4 APRIL 2009, VENEZIA (ITALY)

http://www.istitutoveneto.it/prion_09/Abstracts_09.pdf



Wednesday, February 24, 2010

Transmissible Spongiform encephalopathy (TSE) animal and human TSE in North America 14th

ICID International Scientific Exchange Brochure -


http://transmissiblespongiformencephalopathy.blogspot.com/2010/02/transmissible-spongiform-encephalopathy.html



http://transmissiblespongiformencephalopathy.blogspot.com/



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terry


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