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katessky
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:21 pm    Post subject: blue heelers Reply with quote

I just took in a blue heeler, 9 months old, for an ill friend who has no time for him. He is very smart. I do not know how to train a heeler. I do help some local ranchers with cattle gathering and sorting. How can I train my dog to be a help, and not a hinderance in the process? Know of any good books, or are their often local ranchers that would train such a dog?

Kate


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to say this pretty blunt as I am very passionate about this issue.

If you are asked to help at a ranch the best thing you can do with an untrained dog is leave it at home or locked in the truck. There is nothing more maddening to a cowman to have a dog in the wrong place at the right time and screw up the days works.
If you have a friend who is a dog trainer and will help you out on a one on one basis that is the direction I would take. If not, and you don't have your own stock to train your dog on, keep it as a pet.


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per
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good advice, I had a Boarder Collie that was a pretty good cow dog but every once in a while it freelanced for the neighbor. Not good for relationships. Not quite the same but bringing a less than perfect dog could have the same results.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know guys who'll rope your dog and drag him a couple miles (all in the interest of teaching him to lead, of course) if he starts trying to "help" uninvited........


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Herding Dogs Progressive Training by Vergil Holland is a pretty good reference. It's geared mostly towards Border Collies, but mentions how to work with other breeds as well.

Good luck, and I agree with GCreek, better leave the dog home unless invited. I work my cattle with dogs, but they will get on the fight with strange dogs FWIW Very Happy .


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another book that may help ya a bit....Training and Working Dogs by Scott Lithgow. Before ever try to train/work stock be sure to have a a good solid recall, down., and that'll do or you mite as well tie your dog up at the house and work the stock by yourself.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice? Before you do anything. Do this.

Take your dog, and sign up for an obedience class. It will put you light years ahead when you decide he's ready to do cow work. Heelers are bold strong dogs, and you need to have total control over him from the get go. Some good basic obedience gives you a super foundation to start from. I've been through a few classes with my German Shepherds, and I can guarantee that when you're done the course you will have a dog that has social skills, and respect, most important of all, who listens to you. If he won't listen to you, don't even think of working cattle with him. It's a recipe for disaster.

I'm a firm believer in the power of obedience training. Even when my dog didn't pass the course first time (they hardly ever do), she was a new dog when we were done.

That's my rant for the day. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the others here. For one thing, it's amazing what a
dog can screw up and it's also very dangerous to take a dog
around cows that are not 'dog broke.'

Good for you for taking the dog in. Good luck with him.
Blue Heelers, while they are among my favorite dogs, can
be pretty hard-headed. Especially the males. Shocked


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A dog is like a good piece of equpment .find the brake and know how it works ,also the park brake. If you don't. Have um leave him home. You got to have some kind of an ideal of what you want it to do. It also helps if you are a little smarter then the dog !!!!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Faster horses wrote:
I agree with the others here. For one thing, it's amazing what a
dog can screw up and it's also very dangerous to take a dog
around cows that are not 'dog broke.'


Right as a Rule of Thumb But a good knowledgeable dog can soon quite their Fears..

People need to think about the type of work they want a dog to do-
there are two styles of Working Dogs - "HEADERS or HEARD Dogs" and "HEALERS or DRIVE Dogs".

"HEADERS or HEARD Dogs" are best used at gather animals in an open field

and "HEALERS or DRIVE Dogs" are best used in Corrals, Roping Arenas, Feed Lots - - they want to DRIVE animals away fro you.

At one time we use our Heard dog to gather cattle at the top of the ranch - then would let DRIVE dogs take them the 2 miles to the corrals at the home place.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had 3 blue heelers, they have a mind all their own, which needs to be focused. They are as smart as a 5 year old child upon maturity, and they once held the Guiness Book of World Records for longest living dog, at 35 years. It's not a pet, per say, it's a long commitment. They need a job. Period. Anything. If it's just walking to the mailbox, well, that's ok with them. I also would take my pups out into the pasture, and run away from them, that seemed to instill the heeling/herding instinct in them early on. I love these dogs. Also, if it doesn't have a Bentley mark, it's a cross breed, and you can expect problems in behaviour and performence, like obedience and focus. Hope it all works out.


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