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HAY MAKER
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Joined: 13 Feb 2005
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Location: Texas
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Tam, Bill, others: please recall that Haymaker has a history on this site of saying anything, regardless of the facts of the matter, that he believes will support his biases.
He claims NCBA is supported by the Beef Checkoff which is an absolute lie. All contracts awarded by the Cattlemens Beef Board (membership in NCBA is NOT a requisite for membership on CBB!) are strictly on a cost recovery basis, with NO PROFIT to the contracting organization. What could be more clear, yet Haymaker insists the opposite is the case.
Why then, would we expect him to admit the facts of the Canada border problem ?
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MRJ you are preaching to the choir,cattle men are not buying your bull what part of that do you not understand?And why are you willing to prevent all these hard working cattle men an opportunity to choose?
I like many have said all along leave the check off just like it is ,participate at will call it plan A ,Let the cattle man have another option call it plan B administered by the LMA,then I call that fair then I say things will start settling down .lets see some competition I believe that to be the real problem some of yall are afraid of a little friendly competition.........................good luck PS MRJ I know this is hard for you to understand because you have never practiced it but write this down..........COMPETION CREATES FAIRNESS.....Its a sad day in my life when people like you have to be taken to court to do the right thing
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Tam
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
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Location: Sask
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| we start co mingleing these herds again.whats the hurry all your beef is going south,mixing cattle more at this time only compounds the problem.............good luck |
Who said anything about comingleing the herds again Haymaker the rule you and your group of fearmongering idiots got the injunction to stop was for UTM cattle for immediate slaughter and UTM feeders that were to be Branded with a CAN and have a RFID tag that proves they are from Canada in they ears. They are to be hauled on sealed trucks to a single feedlot to a Pen where no other cattle resided then on to the slaughter house for slaughter. What is comingleing about that? Who will be mixing Canadian cattle with US cattle? If someone is caught mixing the cattle then that person was pretty stupid to try it and deserves whatever the law decides to do with them.
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Hanta Yo
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Location: South Central Montana
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Haymaker,
when are you going to understand, checkoff dollars can only be used for BEEF PROMOTION AND RESEARCh. How can LMA do any of those things???????
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HAY MAKER
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Joined: 13 Feb 2005
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Location: Texas
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| we start co mingleing these herds again.whats the hurry all your beef is going south,mixing cattle more at this time only compounds the problem.............good luck |
Who said anything about comingleing the herds again Haymaker the rule you and your group of fearmongering idiots got the injunction to stop was for UTM cattle for immediate slaughter and UTM feeders that were to be Branded with a CAN and have a RFID tag that proves they are from Canada in they ears. They are to be hauled on sealed trucks to a single feedlot to a Pen where no other cattle resided then on to the slaughter house for slaughter. What is comingleing about that? Who will be mixing Canadian cattle with US cattle? If someone is caught mixing the cattle then that person was pretty stupid to try it and deserves whatever the law decides to do with them. |
Settle down Miss Tam,no since in calling 14000 no wait I heard a rumor this morning 15000 cattle men names,first utm cattle then otm cattle then breeding cattle ,then right back where we started,I just dont think we have this BSE problem solved to the point we can start moving cattle..............good luck
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Bill
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 2067
Location: GWN
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| MRJ wrote: |
Tam, Bill, others: please recall that Haymaker has a history on this site of saying anything, regardless of the facts of the matter, that he believes will support his biases.
He claims NCBA is supported by the Beef Checkoff which is an absolute lie. All contracts awarded by the Cattlemens Beef Board (membership in NCBA is NOT a requisite for membership on CBB!) are strictly on a cost recovery basis, with NO PROFIT to the contracting organization. What could be more clear, yet Haymaker insists the opposite is the case.
Why then, would we expect him to admit the facts of the Canada border problem ?
MRJ |
I know this is hard for you to understand because you have never practiced it but write this down..........COMPETION CREATES FAIRNESS.....Its a sad day in my life when people like you have to be taken to court to do the right thing |
Maybe you should listen to your own advice Haymaker. It sure sounds like you are describing R-Calf to a T. No one seems to fear competition more than them.
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~SH~
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Joined: 14 Feb 2005
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Location: South Western SD
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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R-CALF's arguments are so weak and so contradictary that they are laughable when comparing them to what they said previously.
Leo: "How in the world can we open the Canadian border thinking that will do the trick to open trade exports to the Pacific Rim?"
THE ORIGIN OF THE COW DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT SHE WAS HERE LEO AND IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT MORE CANADIAN CATTLE ARE HERE.
You yourself said that USDA should find the Canadian cattle in the U.S.
WELL IF YOU ADMIT THAT CANADIAN CATTLE ARE HERE, THEN IF CANADIAN CATTLE ARE UNSAFE, U.S. CATTLE ARE UNSAFE. HELLO???
Leo: "What part of this media reported, hard fact, documented scenario isn’t getting through?":
FOR YOU LEO???
The fact that we have Canadian cattle in the United States.
The fact that SRMs are removed virtually eliminating the greatest threat of BSE contamination.
The fact that BSE surveilance has increased.
The fact that BSE positive animals are removed from the food chain.
The fact that the feed ban is in place.
The fact that Canada has a traceback system.
The fact that we are talking about UTM cattle, the bulk of which would be under 20 months, that would not reveal BSE prions.
The fact that we are importing Canadian beef now.
Those are the cold hard documented facts that are not getting through for you or your fellow Canadian blamer's thick heads.
Leo: "We have never opened our borders to any country that has BSE. Why would we lower the bar now and why Canada in particular?"
Who is lowering the bar?
We have raised the bar with the BSE precautionary measures that have been taken allowing us to open the border.
Leo: "We can sum that up in two words, "packer power"."
Of course, "BWAME DA PACKAH". It's always on the tip of your tongue isn't it?
Leo: "Which part about why the border closed in the first place does Mr. Graves not understand?"
Obviously nothing. He knows we had BSE you seem to be the one forgetting that little detail Leo.
Leo: "The only thing you are accomplishing is degrading consumer confidence, the very thing you profess to be protecting. Mr. Graves do you really think it is in the best interest of the cattle industry and consumers to spout that kind of reckless, undocumented or at least unpublished, information?"
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
SUCH ARROGANCE!!!!
Who was it that said USDA doesn't care about food safety Leo?
Who was it that said Canadian beef is unsafe KNOWING WE HAVE CANADIAN CATTLE IN THE UNITED STATES????
Who was it that disregards the BSE precautionary measures that are being taken.
NONE OTHER THAN R-CULT!!!!!!
You have the nerve to accuse someone else of "fear mongering" and "reckless statements"?????
GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!!
Quote: "Mr. Hendry and Mr. Graves, did you not enjoy the history making market of the past two years?"
Yup, a market that was driven by an increase in consumer demand which is evident by the fact that the market continued to rally after 50% of Canadian beef imports resumed??? R-CULT is simply too ignorant of supply and demand factors to understand that.
Quote: "Yes, U.S. consumers will react violently to the possibility of tainted beef in their local stores and who could blame them?"
With the lies that have been perpetuated by your blaming organization, WHODA THOUGHT??????
Quote: "With the inevitable opening of the Canadian border, consumer confidence will drop, along with their beef spending dollars."
DON'T SUPPOSE YOUR LIES ABOUT THE SAFETY OF CANADIAN BEEF HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT?????
Quote: "R-CALF USA has had a record year of financial support, not from federally mandated assessments as the NCBA, but from funds raised by voluntary donations."
Which speaks to R-CULT's ability to get their lies to the masses, UNCHALLENGED!
Quote: "Can you really have both Mr. Hendry, an open border with a BSE country and a safe food supply?"
WE HAVE IT RIGHT NOW!!! WE HAVE SAFE BEEF, CANADIAN IMPORTED BEEF, AND CANADIAN COWS WITHIN OUR DOMESTIC HERD!
Who would be stupid enough to suggest otherwise.......R-CULT, of course!
Quote: "Would you have a different opinion of it sir if one of your loved ones contracted it? Does this make it any less important to the people that have contracted it and died and the family that mourns them? What compounds the grief is the fact that they could have avoided it in their food source had they known."
THIS FROM THE SAME HYPOCRITE WHO SUPPORTED PROHIBITING "M"ID FROM "M"COOL!
These guys have absolutely no shame. Pull on the heartstrings, play the victims, Poor me.
The fact is Canadian beef is safe and you have absolutely nothing to support your position to the contrary which only serves to set the U.S. cattlemen up for a fall in the event that BSE is discovered in a domestic animal. ALL BASED ON LIES.
What a pathetic bunch!
~SH~
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Bull Burger
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Location: Fruited Plains of western SD
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| I like many have said all along leave the check off just like it is ,participate at will call it plan A ,Let the cattle man have another option call it plan B administered by the LMA,then I call that fair then I say things will start settling down .lets see some competition I believe that to be the real problem some of yall are afraid of a little friendly competition |
Do you even know who the LMA is, Haymaker? I would have to say they are the biggest bunch of crooks, packer blamers, whiners, etc. I have ever been around. They don't want imports because they don't get their precious commission dollars. They started their attack on NCBA because NCBA did research on retained ownership and found that with the right kind of cattle you could possibly make $26 a head. But that does not put commission dollars in their pocket. They say that NCBA is funded by checkoff dollars which is a lie. But Dennis Hanson from Ft Pierre sale barn finally admitted Monday morning on his "market report" that if you tell a lie enough times, people will start believing it. Thanks for the honest moment, Denny.
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=&zip=57532&last=Hanson&first=Mark
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