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Oldtimer
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bill wrote:
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Sandhusker wrote:
I wonder if they will promote Canadian beef in particular or just beef in general...... Wink


Sounds to me like a big WTO dispute in the making-- Canadian government can donate 90 million to promote Canadian beef and trade, including the funding of their packing industry, but the US can't even use the money collected from US producers to promote US beef..... Sounds about right for WTO and NAFTA.........


You neglected to mention that our "packing industry" is basically American owned. Your whining of subsidies is hypocritical while American agriculture enjoys some of the largest government handouts in the world.


The checkoff dollar is basically from the US too- but USDA attorneys advise it can't be used to promote US beef... But if the Canadian government puts $90 million into promoting Canadian beef and trade, I'll bet someone down here finds a way to change that........Except first Canada will have to label it as a Canadian product and not ride on the backs of the US producer and donating to the US owned packers with the USDA label.......No one in the world knows they have ever eaten "Canadian beef"... Its all US since it packs the USDA label......
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oldtimer wrote:
Bill wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:
Sandhusker wrote:
I wonder if they will promote Canadian beef in particular or just beef in general...... Wink


Sounds to me like a big WTO dispute in the making-- Canadian government can donate 90 million to promote Canadian beef and trade, including the funding of their packing industry, but the US can't even use the money collected from US producers to promote US beef..... Sounds about right for WTO and NAFTA.........


You neglected to mention that our "packing industry" is basically American owned. Your whining of subsidies is hypocritical while American agriculture enjoys some of the largest government handouts in the world.


The checkoff dollar is basically from the US too- but USDA attorneys advise it can't be used to promote US beef... But if the Canadian government puts $90 million into promoting Canadian beef and trade, I'll bet someone down here finds a way to change that........Except first Canada will have to label it as a Canadian product and not ride on the backs of the US producer and donating to the US owned packers with the USDA label.......No one in the world knows they have ever eaten "Canadian beef"... Its all US since it packs the USDA label......



We pay check off just like you. Who pays for your Governor to go on trade mission ect. Not your check off. This will be used to set up trade offices ect.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
oldtimer, sandhusker and all the other protectionist's here....

My understanding of this 50 mil. is that it is for expanding canadian beef markets. We don't need to expand our beef markets to the US cause it is a shrinking market on the down turn. We are going after China, North Korea (just to p*** you off) and anyone else that wants to have the safest, best beef in the world.

What I find interesting, we do what you want, then you want more. First thing you both said was the Canada needs to find its own markets, and not just export to the US. Thats what we are doing.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Big Muddy rancher wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:
Bill wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:
Sandhusker wrote:
I wonder if they will promote Canadian beef in particular or just beef in general...... Wink


Sounds to me like a big WTO dispute in the making-- Canadian government can donate 90 million to promote Canadian beef and trade, including the funding of their packing industry, but the US can't even use the money collected from US producers to promote US beef..... Sounds about right for WTO and NAFTA.........


You neglected to mention that our "packing industry" is basically American owned. Your whining of subsidies is hypocritical while American agriculture enjoys some of the largest government handouts in the world.


The checkoff dollar is basically from the US too- but USDA attorneys advise it can't be used to promote US beef... But if the Canadian government puts $90 million into promoting Canadian beef and trade, I'll bet someone down here finds a way to change that........Except first Canada will have to label it as a Canadian product and not ride on the backs of the US producer and donating to the US owned packers with the USDA label.......No one in the world knows they have ever eaten "Canadian beef"... Its all US since it packs the USDA label......



We pay check off just like you. Who pays for your Governor to go on trade mission ect. Not your check off. This will be used to set up trade offices ect.


Our Governor can promote all the US beef he wants to--But its all generic beef since Canada keeps riding on the back of the USDA label- US beef is what everybody thinks they've had.......

Except for now I see the Montana house passed the MCOOL law- might not hold up- might be more figurative than substantial, but like one of the legislators I talked to said---He didn't think the law could be enacted without federal backing, but his constituents were 100% behind it and he said that the USDA's present position is a marketing fraud......

Country of Origin Labeling has been 90% of the split between the US cattle organizations and the US with Canada-- if it was taken care of much of the differences would dissolve...

Talking today after the sale with one of the MSGA members- our county used to have over 125 MSGA members- today they have 25, but they now have over 95 R-CALF members, most of those are also the 25 stockgrower members-- I wasn't aware of the number switch because I quit MSGA after they required NCBA membership to belong and I didn't back NCBA's flipflop on COOL-- anyway he told me that the main reason most had left was the MCOOL issue.....What is wrong with each country requiring that the product they produce be lableled as to where it comes from?

Market today was good for the cow/calf guy- scrub lots of 500 lb. steer calves were just under $700 head---And that was with a short run and few buyers on the seats...... All the feedlots that were part full waiting to see if cheap Canadian calves would come south to fill them, now reallize it may not happen.......
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Country of Origin Labeling has been 90% of the split between the US cattle organizations and the US with Canada-- if it was taken care of much of the differences would dissolve...

I doubt that very much. You are already whining about 50 million dollars being spent to develop our own markets which earlier you said we should go out and get. Yes NCBA flipflops but they aren't the only ones prone to that.

I have all the confidence in the world that if a package of tested Canadian beef is in a meat case beside a package of American that it will be the Canadian beef purchased the majority of the time especially outside North America.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:35 am    Post subject: CattleCo Reply with quote
Looks like Canada/Alberta is going to be the NEW CATTLE FEEDING FRONTIER!! I wonder how many R-Calf members will feed in Canada?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Congratulations on Canada stepping out and getting agresive.


One bit of advice, make sure the producer is a big part of spending decisions. I really liked the slant on funding available to upgrade smaller plants to federally inspected.

One other bit of advice, the same as I keep for the US, remember why certain countries aren't importing your beef. If you continue to blame it on trade tactics and politics, you will be behind the race.

Asian countries tend to be very picky about their food. The ban is consumer driven. You ave to make the consumer confident to regain this market. they stopped buying because they view it as unsafe. They didn't stop because they weren't sure it wasCanadian or they didn't like the tenderness or fat levels. So trying to use those issues to regain the market won't get you there,
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