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Tam
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
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Location: Sask
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Tam... But now that we are increasing capacity in the future we may just ship all our beef direct to the customer and by pass the US altogether. But, If we do that Tommy what do you think that will do to the slaughter plants in the US. I'll tell you, some will close which we have already seen happening because you don't have enough cattle to keep them busy which will result in less competition in the US market place for you cattle.
But that will not be your problem will it Tam? You will be shipping your beef direct to the customer. |
Tommy is it wrong of me to point out that your short sighted ideas to protect yourself is hurting Canada in the short term but in the long term it is hurting the US industry worse. I know you don't care who you hurt but I do care as I have family that ranch in the US and I don't care to see your stupid behavior hurt them too. Canada is working their way through this but what is going to happen to the US if you drive slaughter plants into the ground then BSE is found in the US after all the lies R-CALF has told with your support I can't see much good happening there.
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Tommy
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Joined: 11 Feb 2005
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Location: South East Kansas
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Tam...I know you don't care who you hurt but I do care as I have family that ranch in the US and I don't care to see your stupid behavior hurt them too.
You know nothing about me Tam other than I support R-CALF. Is it stupid to want good prices for the cattle I sell? My friend and neighbor sold 106 head of calves yesterday. They brought almost $50 dollars per head more than they would have just a couple weeks ago. A direct result of the border not being opened yet. They are having to pay more for our cattle now because they cannot get yours.
Does your family want to sell cheaper cattle?
It was Canada's behavior that got us all in this mess to start with. I know you will and have said that the US will find BSE, but they haven't had a home grown case up to now.
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~SH~
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Joined: 14 Feb 2005
Posts: 5427
Location: South Western SD
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:33 am Post subject: |
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Tommy: "You know nothing about me Tam other than I support R-CALF. Is it stupid to want good prices for the cattle I sell? My friend and neighbor sold 106 head of calves yesterday. They brought almost $50 dollars per head more than they would have just a couple weeks ago. A direct result of the border not being opened yet."
Tommy,
Are you saying that the recent bump in "CASH" prices is solely a result of the Canadian border temporary ruling????
Yes or no?
T: "They are having to pay more for our cattle now because they cannot get yours."
They couldn't get Canadian cattle "a couple weeks ago" either.
You R-CALFers are so blind to your beliefs that you cannot even see the most obvious.
~SH~
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PPRM
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 1639
Location: NE Oregon
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:42 am Post subject: |
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Tam,
You keep saying you are forced to sell to US Packers. Who has the gun to your head???????
I say this to make a point. A problem will never be solved if one can't see alternatives. Canada is actually doing a lot on this front. I really like the idea of funding your smaller plants that aren't federally inspected to get upgraded. Helps Canadian businessman and is a very likely way to increase branded beef programs to increase premiums.
To this, I say get active and get involved now. If you producers don't have a voice early, you will be living with what someone else decides. So far that hasn't worked well for you
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Bill
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Location: GWN
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:52 am Post subject: |
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HEY TOMMY!
It was Canada's behavior that got us all in this mess to start with.
Do you think you could explain that one to us?
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Tam
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 8696
Location: Sask
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Tam,
You keep saying you are forced to sell to US Packers. Who has the gun to your head???????
I say this to make a point. A problem will never be solved if one can't see alternatives. Canada is actually doing a lot on this front. I really like the idea of funding your smaller plants that aren't federally inspected to get upgraded. Helps Canadian businessman and is a very likely way to increase branded beef programs to increase premiums.
To this, I say get active and get involved now. If you producers don't have a voice early, you will be living with what someone else decides. So far that hasn't worked well for you |
PPRM While you were typeing this I was on a conference deciding about the speaks that the SSGA will have at their convention and one of them we want to have is going to speak on investing in packing plants and what producers should know and do. And another guy from the US is speaking on Packing plants in the US. SSGA also had a big meeting in Moose Jaw a month ago to get the information out about some of the plants and the plans and what we can do as producers. Is that what you mean by get active and get involved?
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Tam
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Location: Sask
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Tam...I know you don't care who you hurt but I do care as I have family that ranch in the US and I don't care to see your stupid behavior hurt them too.
You know nothing about me Tam other than I support R-CALF. Is it stupid to want good prices for the cattle I sell? My friend and neighbor sold 106 head of calves yesterday. They brought almost $50 dollars per head more than they would have just a couple weeks ago. A direct result of the border not being opened yet. They are having to pay more for our cattle now because they cannot get yours.
Does your family want to sell cheaper cattle?
It was Canada's behavior that got us all in this mess to start with. I know you will and have said that the US will find BSE, but they haven't had a home grown case up to now. |
No Tommy I haven't got you figured out yet, I thought you said you didn't mind competeing with Canadian cattle here at home or in the world market. Now you are saying that the only way your neighbor got those high prices is because they didn't have to compete with our cattle as the border is still closed. I agree in wanting a good price for your animals but at what cost Tommy? You are getting that price at the cost of destroying the other sectors of the beef industry that you rely on to sell your product, the packing plant sector and the retail sector as if the prices keep going up at the grocery store the demand will drop and then what. Think about what you are supporting?
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Sandhusker
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
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Location: Nebraska
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Tam,
Looking at Canadian plants from the view of a potential investor, a huge concern surfaces quite quickly; You once had a number of plants that were swallowed up by big US interests. Those US companies are still around, and are stronger than ever. They not only have wealth, but influence your government's policies. What will be done differently this time to ensure history will not repeat?
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Bill
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 2067
Location: GWN
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Tam,
You keep saying you are forced to sell to US Packers. Who has the gun to your head???????
I say this to make a point. A problem will never be solved if one can't see alternatives. Canada is actually doing a lot on this front. I really like the idea of funding your smaller plants that aren't federally inspected to get upgraded. Helps Canadian businessman and is a very likely way to increase branded beef programs to increase premiums.
To this, I say get active and get involved now. If you producers don't have a voice early, you will be living with what someone else decides. So far that hasn't worked well for you |
PPRM While you were typeing this I was on a conference deciding about the speaks that the SSGA will have at their convention and one of them we want to have is going to speak on investing in packing plants and what producers should know and do. And another guy from the US is speaking on Packing plants in the US. SSGA also had a big meeting in Moose Jaw a month ago to get the information out about some of the plants and the plans and what we can do as producers. Is that what you mean by get active and get involved? |
Tam, why don't you bring Charlie Gracey in to speak at the SSGA convention. Some things would be said that our current industry leaders need to hear.
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PPRM
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
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Location: NE Oregon
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Tam,
Exactly what I meant, glad to hear your are involved. Good luck to you folks as you go forward. I think if you have read enough of my posts I am supportive of the canadian Producer,
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Bill
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Tam,
Exactly what I meant, glad to hear your are involved. Good luck to you folks as you go forward. I think if you have read enough of my posts I am supportive of the canadian Producer, |
And what we appreciate PPRM is that it is sincere support backed by a true understanding of the situation.
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