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Will SH follow through?
Yes, he has integrity
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No, he's full of it
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HAY MAKER
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With Haymaker cheering for you, you should have no trouble backing your claim. LOL!

~SH~

IM not cheering sandhusker SH, IM cheering you IM one of the 28 posters that said you had integrity NOW PROVE IT................good luckPS I hope you are not gonna let us down again.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, Juan. I am sure in your case, that you are right. I've watched my neighbor for years, selling 400 pound Hereford steer calves (the heifers never weigh that much). If his Hereford steers weigh 400# and bring a dollar per pound, that same year his baldy steer calves (out of the less milk producing first calf heifers) will weigh 450# and bring a dollar and five cents per pound.

Now awhile back I bad-mouthed rocket scientists, but in this case it sure doesn't take a "rocket scientist" to figure out the pros and cons of the deal. The Herefords brought $400 per head, and the baldies sold for $472.50 per head. Just by switching bulls, a premium of $72.50 per steer calf could be realized.

About ten years ago, I had saved back about twenty good Angus bull calves. I approached this die-hard Hereford man at the time, and proposed a deal. I told him I'd trade good Angus yearling bulls straight across for his old used up Hereford bulls, as many as he would want to trade. Of course, he wouldn't trade at all, but I guarantee I'd have done him a big favor if he'd made the swap. Baldy cows make whopping good momma cows, and he'd have had a whole pasture full of them in a very short time, not to mention the extra profit that would have been reaped from selling the baldy calves.

Guess everybody marches to a different drummer, and that is what makes the world go around.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A huge ranch in W. Montana ran all Herefords~ 3000 cows, calves, yearlings. They had to dehorn every one of those calves. Had sunburned bags, pinkeye, the whole ball of wax. It was a workhorse deal.

Finally, one year they bought some black bulls. Kept the heifers and it didn't take that outfit long to change completely over. So much less work for all involved. Now it is all black cattle on that ranch.

Breeds of cattle is a personal thing. Personally, I can't understand why the Hereford folks don't crossbreed. But they probably wonder why we don't do the same with our straightbred Angus. I wonder sometimes too~


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Juan
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soapweed wrote:
Sorry, Juan. I am sure in your case, that you are right. I've watched my neighbor for years, selling 400 pound Hereford steer calves (the heifers never weigh that much). If his Hereford steers weigh 400# and bring a dollar per pound, that same year his baldy steer calves (out of the less milk producing first calf heifers) will weigh 450# and bring a dollar and five cents per pound.

Now awhile back I bad-mouthed rocket scientists, but in this case it sure doesn't take a "rocket scientist" to figure out the pros and cons of the deal. The Herefords brought $400 per head, and the baldies sold for $472.50 per head. Just by switching bulls, a premium of $72.50 per steer calf could be realized.

About ten years ago, I had saved back about twenty good Angus bull calves. I approached this die-hard Hereford man at the time, and proposed a deal. I told him I'd trade good Angus yearling bulls straight across for his old used up Hereford bulls, as many as he would want to trade. Of course, he wouldn't trade at all, but I guarantee I'd have done him a big favor if he'd made the swap. Baldy cows make whopping good momma cows, and he'd have had a whole pasture full of them in a very short time, not to mention the extra profit that would have been reaped from selling the baldy calves.

Guess everybody marches to a different drummer, and that is what makes the world go around.

Soap. you insinuate I can't do the math"it doesn't take a rocket scientist"well maybe there are a few things you don't think of.I would imagine your neighbor calves his heifers some earlier than the cows ;more labor, more feed,etc.
I have had many a conversation with guys that run crossbred cows,few of them realize that you can't grow those extra pounds with wind and water.It seems the dought aways hits their pastures harder .


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Three of the most positive attributes of the hereford breed are:

1. Feed efficiency - a large economic factor

2. Longevity - also a large economic factor considering the costs to get a cow to productivity

3. Beef tenderness - proven by CHB knocking CAB out of the water in a side by side taste test.

4. Survivability in harsh, parched environments.

This picture is bigger than the well known eye and bag problems that the hereford industry has corrected with pigmentation in recent years.


You can't get a baldy without a hereford.



~SH~


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juan, no disrespect intended, but I have spent over half of my ranching years raising Herefords. Even my dad, who was much more of an ardent Hereford fancier than myself, didn't have a Hereford on his ranch the last few years before he retired. When I was a kid, my dad "ate, lived, and breathed" the American Hereford Journal. He raised registered Herefords, and sold bulls from the time he was in high school in the late 'thirties, until about 1985. We held an annual bull sale at our ranch for eleven years, that my dad called the Green Valley Country Music Bull Sale. There was always a band to entertain while the meal was being served.

An Angus cow doesn't eat any more for her size than does a Hereford cow weighing the same. The work load is immensely diminished with Angus. There are no horns to worry about, and many other Hereford problems just magically disappear. Sore udders, bad eyes, prolapses, bad feet, big balloon teats, and smaller weaning weights become a thing of the past. As they say, "Once you go black, you'll never go back."

Dad sold yearlings to the same buyer, privately, for many years. Finally, the buyer leveled with Dad, and said he liked his cattle but if he didn't cross breed the Herefords with some other breed, he would have to quit buying them. The buyer bought the baldies and loved them after that.

Heck, I had to experiment with cow dogs once, too. Life has gotten a whole lot easier and more fun since I have eliminated both Herefords and cow dogs from my life. My darling bride, who is the best cowhand I ever knew, would divorce me if I brought any more Herefords onto the ranch. For that reason alone, my Hereford days are over. Smile


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soapweed wrote:
Juan, no disrespect intended, but I have spent over half of my ranching years raising Herefords. Even my dad, who was much more of an ardent Hereford fancier than myself, didn't have a Hereford on his ranch the last few years before he retired. When I was a kid, my dad "ate, lived, and breathed" the American Hereford Journal. He raised registered Herefords, and sold bulls from the time he was in high school in the late 'thirties, until about 1985. We held an annual bull sale at our ranch for eleven years, that my dad called the Green Valley Country Music Bull Sale. There was always a band to entertain while the meal was being served.

An Angus cow doesn't eat any more for her size than does a Hereford cow weighing the same. The work load is immensely diminished with Angus. There are no horns to worry about, and many other Hereford problems just magically disappear. Sore udders, bad eyes, prolapses, bad feet, big balloon teats, and smaller weaning weights become a thing of the past. As they say, "Once you go black, you'll never go back."

Dad sold yearlings to the same buyer, privately, for many years. Finally, the buyer leveled with Dad, and said he liked his cattle but if he didn't cross breed the Herefords with some other breed, he would have to quit buying them. The buyer bought the baldies and loved them after that.

Heck, I had to experiment with cow dogs once, too. Life has gotten a whole lot easier and more fun since I have eliminated both Herefords and cow dogs from my life. My darling bride, who is the best cowhand I ever knew, would divorce me if I brought any more Herefords onto the ranch. For that reason alone, my Hereford days are over. Smile

No offense taken.Bet you haven't tried a different"darling bride"either.LOL
There are so many variables it's hard to figure.I have seen this winter when a mixed bunch of calves come through the sale barn the baldies and the herefords sell together.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it appears 29 people are wrong. SH didn't come through, as expected. They should have a better gauge on how he operates now.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, just as I thought!


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~SH~
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jinglebob: "Yup, just what I thought."

Obvious how independent your thinking is.

GO SANDHUSKER GO! RAH RAH!

Sandhusker failed to show anyone where I said I quoted R-CALF, the organization, as he claimed after I requested it three times. Did you miss that part Jinglebob? Of course you did! Because it didn't support your bias.

Like Saddam claiming victory after the gulf war, Sandhusker ignores the obvious and claims victory. It's an R-CULT thing!


~SH~


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HAY MAKER
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I demand a recount,I should have known better than to vote PRARIE DAWG, having any thing but BOOL SHEIST................good luck PS BE THE LAST TIME I VOTE FOR A DAMN PRARIE DAWG.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soapweed wrote:
Juan, no disrespect intended, but I have spent over half of my ranching years raising Herefords. Even my dad, who was much more of an ardent Hereford fancier than myself, didn't have a Hereford on his ranch the last few years before he retired. When I was a kid, my dad "ate, lived, and breathed" the American Hereford Journal. He raised registered Herefords, and sold bulls from the time he was in high school in the late 'thirties, until about 1985. We held an annual bull sale at our ranch for eleven years, that my dad called the Green Valley Country Music Bull Sale. There was always a band to entertain while the meal was being served.

An Angus cow doesn't eat any more for her size than does a Hereford cow weighing the same. The work load is immensely diminished with Angus. There are no horns to worry about, and many other Hereford problems just magically disappear. Sore udders, bad eyes, prolapses, bad feet, big balloon teats, and smaller weaning weights become a thing of the past. As they say, "Once you go black, you'll never go back."

Dad sold yearlings to the same buyer, privately, for many years. Finally, the buyer leveled with Dad, and said he liked his cattle but if he didn't cross breed the Herefords with some other breed, he would have to quit buying them. The buyer bought the baldies and loved them after that.

Heck, I had to experiment with cow dogs once, too. Life has gotten a whole lot easier and more fun since I have eliminated both Herefords and cow dogs from my life. My darling bride, who is the best cowhand I ever knew, would divorce me if I brought any more Herefords onto the ranch. For that reason alone, my Hereford days are over. Smile



Your wife sounds like mine NO Herefords no matter what.

We have a black bull throwing some red calves 3 to 5 a year we had a big blow up here last week over 2 red calves born the same day.
She wanted to know which bull was throwing those calves I told her and she wants him gone and she's serious about it.

We used a hereford bull the first years I had cows. Sold calves that fall the black baldies sold for 20 cents higher than their hereford looking 1/2 brothers which were from black baldy cows no more herefords here.


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