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Tam
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Tam wrote 1. So we are to force producer into something that they don't want just because you think you know more about the systems capabilities than those that are working with it every day. 
Rod: Tam, please go back and re-read everything I said. I am not arguing that the people who work in CCIA office know more about the CURRENT systems than I do. What I AM saying is that whoever you talked to was NOT a systems analyst was thus WHOLLY unqualified to make any comment on the cost of implementing a manual entry system, which doesn't exist yet |
How do you know you don't know who I talked to or what education she had. Or who she was in touch with or what information she has access to just because she didn't agree with you doesn't mean she didn't know what she was talking about.
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Tam: Why does it matter who told me Rod
Rod: Because you certainly don't ask a user to tell you how much a system costs to build. Should I ask the driver of a car how much cost to build the car THAT THEY HAVEN'T DROVE YET? You are attempting to bring information to this debate that is fallacious and of questionable use |
Maybe this is why I didn't ask you Rod 
I ASKED THE CCIA.  I would only hope that if they are answering questions about the system they WOULD KNOW or at LEAST HAVE ACCESS to the CCIA research on the system including the capabilities and cost to tell me the truth which I believe they did. I brought the information they gave me including the question they asked me to ask you. Just because it doesn't match your USER guesswork, doesn't mean it's the wrong information maybe they are the ones that know what they are talking about.
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Tam:And I'm not about to take the word of someone that just posted he thought Age verification is as eazy as a producer writing don't a birthdate and eazier than tagging his cattle,
Rod: So, a manual system, which is what we've been haggling over, since the automated system already exists for voluntary Aging, is more difficult than writing down the birthdate of the animal? Odd, when I was RFID tagging my cattle this year, my 7 year old wrote down the RFID tag# and the cow tag# that the tag went into. From there my 9 yr old cross-referenced my birthing book for birthdate and I wrote it on the sheet that came with my RFID tags. End of manual system. Oh, except for having to pop it into the mail. So what you're telling me is that you feel the average cattle producer in Saskatchewan is less capable than a 7 or 9 yr old? |
Pop it in the mail to who? the CCIA doesn't except mail in data they are not set up to do anything with it or telephone or fax. They will only except it if someone accesses their web site via the internet and puts the information in themself or has a third party user do it on the producers behalf. and As I told you, right now there is only ONE in all of SASK.
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Tam: view on GUESSWORK. So why should we take your word over anyone in the CCIA office that works with the system that you only can guess about?
Rod: You miss the point. Voluntary ID already has the automated system in place. To go full mandatory ID would only require the services of a couple data entry clerks. Then we could service the needs of those producers who didn't have internet access |
Again you seem to think you know more about the capabilities of the CCIA system than the CCIA themselves.
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Tam: Like I said the smartest think you have said yet was
Rod: I chose to ignore the dig last time, but this time I'm not. You've attempted to bait me down to your level with insults, but I won't buy into it.
And when you go to church tomorrow, you may want to read the good book a time or two. I'm not religious, but I certainly treat people with more respect and diginity than you've shown yourself capable of doing. You're now on ignore mode. |
Down to my level  You claim you treat people with respect and diginity do you mean like this
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| the some selfish larger producers and packers have local producer associations buffaloed into believing |
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| So do me a favor and the next time you post on one of my threads, engage your brain and actually bring something to the table |
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| ALL this risk to our industry to preserve the premium of a few producers who have access to it? |
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| I don't know why its so difficult to get cattle producers, even those who say they are in leadership positions, to look past today, or even tomorrow and into the next 5 years. We producers need genuine leadership who understand the markets. |
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| but only a blind man can't see that age verification is going to be a necessary component of exporting beef in the future. |
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| Perhaps maybe then we'll have a true voice from up here, as the SSGA certainly did NOT represent my area on the age verification issue. |
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| Did you speak to someone with the necessary qualifications, IE) a business analyst, who could actually speak intelligently about designing a business process to handle something along these lines |
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| This sounds considerably more like resistance to change than anyone qualified sitting down and thinking this through. |
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| So instead of blindly following what people tell you, do a little math of your own. |
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| What I AM saying is that whoever you talked to was NOT a systems analyst was thus WHOLLY unqualified to make any comment on the cost of implementing a manual entry system, which doesn't exist yet. |
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| You are attempting to bring information to this debate that is fallacious and of questionable use. |
Is this what you call treating people with respect and diginity up north.
You have called big producers selfish, question the intelligents of the CCIA staff, insulted the leadership the SSGA, and insulted me personally. And you have done this because all of these people do not support something you want.
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Manitoba_Rancher
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Tam
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| 1) Mainland China is a different story; price alone determines purchases and quality is secondary......I've yet to see anything stating that they are opening up for large beef imports or that they are wanting age verification. |
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, most of the talks with Chinese delegates have not been advertised, televised or recorded. I am aware of two producer owned entities attempting to gain access to the Chinese mainland market, and each has said they will need age verified beef, so its starting now. I've spoke to a variety of market analysts, livestock specialists, government workers, etc etc and most feel that age verified beef will be required on a world stage (not just Chinese) very soon. I don't think its something we can safely ignore for the next 5 years, especially since we desperately have to reduce our reliance on the US market. We lost billions when the border closed. We need to take measures to ensure this never happens again.
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Rod I doubt you can consider the Canadian Beef industry is ignoring the issue. When in July 2005 there was over 63,200 Birthdates recorded and by Jan. 2006 that number had jump to over 1.7 million birthdates recorded. How is that ignoring the issue.
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PORKER
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Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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Location: Michigan-Florida
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject: Duda hade eh |
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Two producer owned entities attempting to gain access to the Chinese mainland market, and each has said they will need age verified beef, so its starting now. I've spoke to a variety of market analysts, livestock specialists, government workers, etc etc and most feel that age verified beef will be required on a world stage (not just Chinese) very soon.
Guess you could use ScoringAg or have it in your database that before you can send in tag numbers a born/date has to be attached or the system woun't send anything.The EU already has this and alot of countrys are jumping aboard on age validation.Nobody wants ten year old roasts.
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