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Postby katrina » Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:19 pm

Rancher, I'm glad your family likes it. I found it hard to explaine the purple winning speech winner with gum in her mouth. The blue ribbon dog that was not groomed, the dad that bought the professionally trained horse that all you had to do was sit on. Oh ya my favorite, the judge that told, he simply didn't like the demonstration, based on only that reason... Do you want me to go on?? I got a good one about pigs... We have better ways to spend time together.

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Postby Northern Rancher » Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:24 pm

No I think enough sour grapes for one day.

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Postby katrina » Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:31 pm

I can agree with you on the sour grapes. If you got a good thing enjoy it. Our family time is preciouse and with farming and ranching very little time, so we go fishing, best times are around the table after school. I value my friends more than ever do to the fact we don't get to see them.

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Postby Mike » Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:22 pm

katrina wrote:Rancher, I'm glad your family likes it. I found it hard to explaine the purple winning speech winner with gum in her mouth. The blue ribbon dog that was not groomed, the dad that bought the professionally trained horse that all you had to do was sit on. Oh ya my favorite, the judge that told, he simply didn't like the demonstration, based on only that reason... Do you want me to go on?? I got a good one about pigs... We have better ways to spend time together.


I remember when I was a kid and showing steers. I had one calf to work with. The neighbor down the road would have 20-25 and enough help to work them all and pick the best one's for her 2 kids to show. I remember beating them one year. It was a day I'll never forget!
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Postby katrina » Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:27 am

I rode a 1/2 belgium,1/2 arabian mare no one wanted,so my dad took her.And there was big money horses I competed with and I won.... But in saying that, If there is any question in the judges mind, the better horse will win. I've helped judges score and seen it a million times. I remember a dad taking a girls horse out back and beating the hell out of it. Simply because I had beat it in pole bending.. I would of gave my right arm for a horse like that... It's name was Lady Spark.... As a parent we decided that you can't teach your kids honesty and interagaty and except flat out cheating in 4H. We went to the state 4H horse show in Huron one year and there was kids from our district there competing in the same classes as us, who never even won a purple ribbon at the district horse show. How? There parents corrorised the agent into letting them compete. What's the old saying You can't be an eagle and fly with turkeys.

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Postby Faster horses » Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:54 pm

There is a lot of things wrong with 4H, but there is alot of things RIGHT with it as well.

When we moved to W. Mt. in June of 1975, our daughter couldn't show a 4H horse because we moved too late in the year and there was no open show. So we observed and this is what we saw. The kids brought the yearlings in for showmanship and they were a dirty, ragtag bunch. The horses ate grass while being judged. They had something wrong with their hair--I would say it was lice. Very obvious that something was terribly wrong and as I recall, all the colts had this skin problem. They were all awarded a blue ribbon. I approached the judge after the show and asked why they were all given a blue ribbon as there was not a blue ribbon colt in the bunch. He replied that he didn't want to have to put up with the parents griping if he had given them all whites. So he took the easy way out and gave all blue ribbons.

Fast foreward to 1976. Showmanship. Yearlings. Ragtag, sorry coats. Same thing as 1975. Why not? They got away with it once. Different judge, and this one gave all WHITE ribbons. Man alive, the fair was almost turned upside down over the judges decision. He had to explain his reasons, big time. Everyone lived through it and guess what? 1977, nice colts, nice hair, shown well. And it progressed from there. I thought there was a real lesson here. But it took courage for the second judge to do the right thing. Maybe the first judge was being 'politically correct' way back then.

My husband had a broken leg one year at the fair and he took in the beef judging. He remarked that the parents faces went from WAY wide to WAY long depending on what the kids did in the ring. He said some parents were wringing their hands and in dismay if their kids didn't do everything right. The kids? They were just having fun.

My point in this is- 4H is to be a learning experience for the kids and basically it is. It is the PARENTS that ruin it. Why can't they just let it be, let the kids learn how to win and how to lose? Why is competition so great that the fun gets left out.

I started a Junior Horse Show there that is still being held today. I like to think we did it right. We had help whose kids were not involved in showing horses so there was no slanted judging, timeing etc. We kept everything on the up and up. No beating, jerking, running your horses all over the place, no poor sportsmanship allowed. Those young horsemen BLOOMED. The horses BLOOMED. We had FUN. We had great support. It didn't cost much to enter, but the prizes weren't great either. The kids didn't care. It started out as an afternoon deal but got so big we had to go to a full day. We had judged classes, we had timed events, we had things for kids who couldn't do either of these. Boot races and fun events--something for everyone. If anyone thought things weren't right, we never heard it. We had offers of help from so many people. Maybe today, that couldn't be accomplished with the way things are, but I like to think kids are kids. Too much emphasis is put on WINNING--it makes me sad. Everyone likes to win, but everyone should learn to lose. That's the way life is--you aren't going to win at everything you try.

Well, I really got on a rant here. Please forgive me, but the effort put forth for youth is important to me. It takes a lot of people behind the scenes to put something on and sometimes those people are bad-mouthed and not given credit for what they do. Their best reward to have their event grow and have more kids enjoy the learning process. They don't do it to make people mad, but that seems to be what happens too many times.

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Postby Fletch » Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:37 pm

Yes, life is good and we all get down in our own little ruts and forget to look over the edge to see what's going on in the world.

My wife and I are leaving tomorrow morning to go see our brand new first Grand child, a boy. Can't hardly wait !

Congratulations Jinglebob, when our daughter had our grandson she asked me what I wanted him to call me, Poppa, Grampa etc, I told her have him call me uncle as I wasn't "old enough" to be a grampa, well one look and at him and Grampa was just perfect. Enjoy him all you can.

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Postby Angus Girl » Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:21 pm

Speaking on behalf of the younger 4-Hers I would never trade in the experience and all of the relationships that I met through out my 13 year 4-H career. I stood at the bottom so many times and will always remember my first few years. I used to go to my grandmas and talk about how I placed last. She used to say that it would make me stronger, the same way it worked for my aunt who always had to compete with my dad. I never believed her and she said my aunt was so happy when she won the first time but knew the next minute she could be right back down at the bottom.

I finally was at the top and was glad when it happened but always tried to help out those below me whether it was in showmanship, grooming or public speaking. I think in this world of wonder as to what is going to go on with the cattle industry I can look back to 4-H and see that there are so many wonderful people in this world that things will work out!

I encourage anyone with kids to let their children go in 4-H, I know it has made my life so much easier once coming to my university and knowing half the people i went to school with and not to mention job opportunities!

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Postby Hanta Yo » Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:24 pm

FH,

I couldn't agree with you more. We've seen the families where the parents do all the work and if the kids lose....well... not very pleasant. We are 4-H leaders and teach the kids the HOW (like fitting a steer) but we won't do it for them. The first time out in the ring the kids are nervous, but look at (most) of their faces coming back the barn. :D
One of our first years here we put on fitting classes for our 4-H kids but also extended it anyone else interested. One of the 4-H leaders (her son was a senior in High School) was at the fair with her son and his steer. She took that steer herself into the trailer and fitted the steer herself. It was disgusting, but no WONDER he never won anything!! :wink: :?
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Postby Steve » Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:21 pm

Faster Horses, :D You deserve the Blue Ribbon, :clap: :clap:

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Postby Faster horses » Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:46 pm

Well, gawsh, Steve, thank you ever so kindly.

I love horses and better than that I love to watch kids enjoy their horses. There is a wrong way and a right way, they just have to be taught that the horse matters. I was so fortunate to have knowledgeable horse people that were great friends. They were purists, if you will, about how horses are to be treated. I firmly believe that horses help keep kids out of trouble. I know it made a big difference in raising our daughter.

Those clapping emoticons are really neat. I like 'em a lot!!

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Postby sw » Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:23 pm

FH,
I whole heartedly agree with Steve, I also agree with you, I would rather my daughters loved on their horses than on some mangy scum bag from town. Horses are honest and they have good intentions. I'll even feed the horses for free. Some of the best times that I have had in my life have involved 4-h, horses and kids. Guess that is why I have been president of the 4-h council for about ninety years!! When I wrote the poem "Why I am a rancher", the thoughts of me riding with the kids, doing our job, was the biggest influence. Would not trade it for the world.
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