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Postby Faster horses » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:25 am

Me again~~

Bev, that was me that mentioned the 30 cent calves in 1973 and you are right, I was wrong. 1973 we got the big 70 cents for the calves. Unheard of at that time...it was 1974 when it went to heck~and we got 30 cents. I stand corrected. Thanks!!!

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Postby Oldtimer » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:54 am

Faster horses wrote:OT, who owns Marchi Angus? Are they new? I don't think I have ever heard of them before.

Lund's B-Bar Angus had their sale here on Saturday and had a great sale. Haven't heard the average but I think it could be over $2500. I had to leave before the sale was over, but when I left the average was over $3000 at that point. The bulls looked good. Fit, but not fat. Lots of repeat buyers.


FH- Their catalog shows Jon Marchi as owner and claim they been around since 1955-- I had never heard of them before last years Superior sale..Catalog leaves the impression they are more of a showring and dude type outfit....

I think you'd have loved those bulls of Gary's I looked at yesterday-- Quiet nice truly moderate framed bunch of bulls and cows- sure nice when you can go out and look at the mother of the bull-cows were plumb quiet even with a stranger walking thru them and calves at their side- sounds like they all have a lot of Shoshone Bob genetics in their pedigree... About had to push the bulls out of the way- either they were licking on you or waiting to get their back scratched-- He even has one that would make Kit Pharo drool- about a 4 frame with a 67 lb birthweight that weaned at 640 lbs--His legs can't be a foot long- a CM Lassen 882L son...Problem I ran into was all the RR Hero sons I was most interested in were sold--But maybe next year- I think he said he already had 19 Hero bull calves on the ground, with more to come, and should have quite a few bulls from him for sale next year. .....

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Postby BevM » Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:26 pm

Yes faster horses remember that year well and a few others that followed as we had hard times form then on for soemetime. Hoep things are going good for you now and we could all use some rain and hoepfully ti will come this month but sure dont want big snow storms altho some who do because they want run off, We are setting ok now for water but teh grass will be serious when we get ready to turn out. Will be feeding later than teh 1st of May if this keeps up tho but sure won't feed all summer as the husband says he will sell dwon first.,
Hoep teh brohter agrees with him.
So do you get to Billings much sinc eyou are in SE montana or is that in the other direction from you.
We are getting lots of wind today so what little moisture we did get the other day is gone as was 75 here yeserday and it is 60 with wind today.
April showers bring the grass and flowers so we can only hope.
Ok everyone have a good one. :roll:

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Postby Faster horses » Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:28 pm

Bev, we are just about the same distance from Rapid City as we are from Billings. I tend to like Rapid just a little better. It has more of the "Cowtown" flavor. Billings has gotten pretty 'yuppie' in the past several years IMO. However, I am so busy, I don't get to either place much. Maybe it is just that I am slow~

OT, thanks for letting us know about Funk's bulls. I think I have some folks here that would definitely be interested. What is he asking for them? Did you say $1500-$2500? That sure should work!! Does he have some OCC bred cattle as well as the Shoshone? Our Shoshone bulls were a little more framey that I thought they would be, but still okay.

We did get a Crook Mtn. Really Windy out of a Conneally Timeline daughter at Lunds B-Bar Sale. I am pretty excited about him as a heifer bull and we also got a 5.5 frame bull that I think is an exceptionally good bull for what we want. Time will tell, of course, but he appears to be a meat machine right now out of a Pathfinder cow. I couldn't believe we were able to get him because we liked him so much (those usually cost a lot). The last time we got our first pick of bulls (at a sale in SW Mt.), the bull turned out to be a wild SOB right from the get-go and we returned him as fast as possible. We will not put up with that. This bull seemed very gentle in the ring. Just smelled of the cables and meandered around. As my husband says, "we can't have wild cattle on this Ma and Pa outfit." And I'm glad he feels that way. As a consequence we don't have wild or mean cows. (Regardless of what Hereford breeders think! LOL!!!)

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Postby Oldtimer » Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:04 am

Faster horses wrote:Bev, we are just about the same distance from Rapid City as we are from Billings. I tend to like Rapid just a little better. It has more of the "Cowtown" flavor. Billings has gotten pretty 'yuppie' in the past several years IMO. However, I am so busy, I don't get to either place much. Maybe it is just that I am slow~

OT, thanks for letting us know about Funk's bulls. I think I have some folks here that would definitely be interested. What is he asking for them? Did you say $1500-$2500? That sure should work!! Does he have some OCC bred cattle as well as the Shoshone? Our Shoshone bulls were a little more framey that I thought they would be, but still okay.

We did get a Crook Mtn. Really Windy out of a Conneally Timeline daughter at Lunds B-Bar Sale. I am pretty excited about him as a heifer bull and we also got a 5.5 frame bull that I think is an exceptionally good bull for what we want. Time will tell, of course, but he appears to be a meat machine right now out of a Pathfinder cow. I couldn't believe we were able to get him because we liked him so much (those usually cost a lot). The last time we got our first pick of bulls (at a sale in SW Mt.), the bull turned out to be a wild SOB right from the get-go and we returned him as fast as possible. We will not put up with that. This bull seemed very gentle in the ring. Just smelled of the cables and meandered around. As my husband says, "we can't have wild cattle on this Ma and Pa outfit." And I'm glad he feels that way. As a consequence we don't have wild or mean cows. (Regardless of what Hereford breeders think! LOL!!!)


FH-Yeah Gary is asking between $1500 and $2750 for the bulls- The two CM Lassen 882L bulls I was looking at are priced at $1750...He has quite of bit of Ohlde breeding- That and Diamond D Angus-- Has about 8 OCC Kojak 628K bulls left- some sons of DDA Ally 69C... CM Lassen is a double bred 6807 son of OCC Just Right 619J...No real wild EPD's- just middle of the road straight across... I don't think anyone would have to worry about these bulls being too wild--I about fell over them while walking thru them- had to kick them up so a guy could look at them.......

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Postby Aaron » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:49 pm

chuckie wrote:i don't have a word to say about calving, never done it like most of these folks have, but it reminds of of recent previous discussions of dogs/dog breeds/usefulness/etc. i'm sure there are good herefords in this world--they HAVE to be better than the ones i've seen. and i think there can be no doubt they're awful good mother cows.

who was it (one of you canucks) who posted all those pics of the AWESOME herefords? just goes to show--there's good in most, it's just what your program's about. i think. :roll:



Chuckie, hope those comments are directed towards my cattle. I do love comments on my cattle, good or bad.

I haven't posted any pictures for a while, so I think it's time once again.

My 4-H steer for 2004. Slaughtered at 16 months @ 1225 lbs, with yield of 668 lbs or 57%, grade of 2 and score of AA. He would have made a darn good bull, but the border changed that plan. Have his dam bred to the same bull to calve in a few weeks....hoping for a heifer.

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The above steer's maternal brother, the youngest (3yrs) of 4 bulls that will be working our herd this summer. Note the big difference in frame size and fleshing ability. Genetics is everything. Not a terrible fan of this bull as an individual, but his heifers could walk in off the pasture and put many grain-fed show girls to shame. Sadly, I don't have any pics of them to put on here.

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Our oldest bull (7yrs) that will be walking the pastures this year. Only now, are we beginning to understand just how much of an impact this bull's daughters will have on our herd.

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A son of the above bull, a 4 year old that will see alot of cows this summer. This is a picture of him as a coming 2 year old. He resembles his sire quite a bit now.

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Dam of the above bull, pic taken just before she was shipped @ 11 yrs. Darn good cow that weighed a little over 1000 lbs and brought home steers over 500 lbs and bulls over 600 lbs every year. Only about 45 inches at the hip.

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Our 4 year old calving ease specialist. Calves just slide right out and keep on growing.

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On backward calves, all I can say is that it is just luck of the draw. I looked back on records from the last few years and found backward calves at 84 and 80 lbs., so weight has nothing to do with it. Have had them with old and young cows and heifers. Just never seems to be any reason to which cows have them. I don't think it is genetic as off the top of my head, I don't ever recall any one particular cow of ours ever having more than one backwards calf.

On the quality of Herefords, a lot has changed. Alot of poor cattle in the breed when I started buying and breeding them in 1991. Alot of people can easily recall many bulls at studs looking like the one in the second picture. Have come a long way, and the quality, both in the yard and on the rail, is progressing closer to Angus all the time. A few breeders, such as myself and whiteface, are starting to breed the horned and polled lines together. This new combination has been a taboo for many years, and the new possible combinations could open up a brand new path for the breed. I always advise people to go out and buy a couple of young solid-looking Hereford cows to add to their cowherd and then give me their opinion. Alot has changed and I think people need to sample the breed today as it is a total flip from 25 years ago.

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Postby Silver » Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:00 pm

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Postby Faster horses » Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:42 pm

Aaron, nice pictures and we can tell you are proud of your cattle.

One question~
What's that green stuff they are standing on?
Haven't seen much of that for quite awhile, just making sure what it was~

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Postby Aaron » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:00 am

Rain is no stranger to our area. Drought years are few and far between. Average about 16 inches of rain between April-November, 24 inches in the wetter years, and 30-35 in the really wet years. 3-4 crops of alfalfa are not uncommon. It's the balance between sun and rain that is hard to work out....which makes haying a tough chore, and grain production nearly impossible.

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Postby alabama » Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:34 am

Had a calf from a heifer this morning. thunder and lighting with rain so hard I could only see 100 yards. I thought she was having trouble but I couild not get across the creek to her. I went back to get a cup of coffee and when I returned she was licking the calf. Glad she was on high ground.

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Postby Mike » Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:56 am

Alabama wrote:Had a calf from a heifer this morning. thunder and lighting with rain so hard I could only see 100 yards. I thought she was having trouble but I couild not get across the creek to her. I went back to get a cup of coffee and when I returned she was licking the calf. Glad she was on high ground.


We've already had 4.5 inches since last night and this morning and the with the 6 inches last weekend I'm charging up the batteries in my boat!
We got hail last night too! The metal roof on my house was singing!
You bout done calving? Seems like you been calving since Sept.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

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Postby Oldtimer » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:25 pm

Alabama wrote:Had a calf from a heifer this morning. thunder and lighting with rain so hard I could only see 100 yards. I thought she was having trouble but I couild not get across the creek to her. I went back to get a cup of coffee and when I returned she was licking the calf. Glad she was on high ground.


Sometimes that second cup of coffee is just the right amount of time to let nature run its course on its own........ :-)


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