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Postby Jinglebob » Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:59 pm

NR, come on down. We'll put on the tea pot and visit. Might even feed you a meal! LOL

Had a big ol' longhorn steer that I finally had to shoot this fall as he had a bad lump. Bought him as a yearling for a lead steer and kept him to see how big of horns he'd get. He measured 6 foot tip to tip, straight across. Stood a little over 15 hands at the withers. He would have been 9 years old this spring, I think. Wanted the beef, but settled for the head and hide, where he had lumpjaw. My own fault, I should have doctored on him when it first started, but he wasn't real keen about staying in a corral. He could clear a portable corral panel, flat footed. If you got him inside a shed he was fine and wasn't even wild, just didn't care to be penned up.

He never made a good lead steer as he wanted to stay with the cows and calves.

A good lead steer or cow takes most of the work out of moving or penning yearlings.

If you want a good read, read Longhorns by J Frank Dobie. Good reading and good history on the critter that started this whole deal in this western part of the country.
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Postby Northern Rancher » Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:04 pm

I've got a big old Corriente/Simmental lead steer here too-'Sweetums'-he's quite a character-I think he's going to get hamburged as he's geting kinda rough on the baby calves at times-he sure knows where the gates are but he's hard to keep away from the cows as he can jump like a deer.

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Postby Jinglebob » Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:41 pm

I know about the jumping! Dos ( number 2 in Mexican as this was our second hatrack steer) wore a chain out that was hooked in his nose and it didn't stop him from jumping, but sure left some funny tracks in the snow. He also wore a cuff with a chain around one front foot for awhile till it fell off and that didn't stop him either. He never bothered much and always spent wintery nights during calving when the cows were close, in our old horse barn. It's only got a 3 foot door and he would tip his head to walk in and lay down and sleep in a stall! He would go into the shed if the door was open and any grain or hay that was left out, he always sampled. He never taught any cows to jump either, tho' I worried about it a little. He was always where the feed was good! Not real sure why I put up with him for so long, just for a pretty hat rack! :? :???: :)

We sure got lots of pictures of him and everyone that came would take a picture of him. Got so he would kind'a pose for them.

You better come visit and we'll compare stories. Just give me a heads up so I can have a pathway shoveled at the door so you can get into the house. Stuffs kind'a pilin' up around here on the inside. Momma went to town for her job the other day and has just stayed in because of the weather and distance, so the house ain't as clean as it could be. Don't know why these dang dogs don't clean up better around here! :shock: :lol:
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Postby Northern Rancher » Fri Mar 25, 2005 9:43 am

Not sure when I'll get down there again it's only a 16 hour drive lol. I'd like to see John and Bonnie again as it's always a great time. This border deal has kind of ruined my annual bull delivery trip probably forever I'd imagine.

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Postby rancher » Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:47 pm

Big Muddy rancher wrote:I can't help you to much Faster horses as I am wondering about Really Windy my self. I have used Rainmaker breeding and the were good calvers and made great females. I never used any Max breeding as at the time it was GT max and I felt they were bigger cattle than I wanted. I thought when you said you wanted all your Hfrs to calve unassisted Northern Rancher would have told you to get a Longhorn Ha Ha :cowboy:


Catching up on some of the posts, Longhorn LOL. I used them once and could only sell the calves to be roped. They were pretty calving, never knew what they would look like as they were little speckled things. No, I use low birth weight ANGUS.
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Postby Jinglebob » Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:47 pm

Aww shoot NR, they'll get this all settled and you'll be back down with bulls! This border deal reminds me of two little fellers fightin' in the school yard. They'll get it all settled and go on and both learn something from it and get better and stronger from the "discussion"! At least, I hope so.

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Postby Northern Rancher » Fri Mar 25, 2005 2:31 pm

Welll I just remember the little bureaucratic hoops you had to jump through when things were 'normal' between U.S. and Canada. Don't kid yourself state vets and such can invent regulations to support their own little agendas.

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Postby Big Muddy rancher » Fri Mar 25, 2005 9:57 pm

Well I guess I had better confess when I Changed from yearlings to cows I started by breeding lots of Hfrs and not buying cows so I have used Longhorn, Watusi, SanTa Gertudis and Brangus. The only real trouble I had was with the brangus as I had more hip lock with those bulls then any I have ever had. The Watusi were great calves solid coloured and athletic.Yes the long horn were colorful but not bad calves.I now use low birth wt. angus and the calves off the Hfrs fit right with the cows. :cowboy:
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Postby Nicky » Sat Mar 26, 2005 5:23 pm

I'm a little behind here, oh well. NR do you have a picture of the bull? We're getting ready to buy semen. We run commercial herefords, raise some bulls for ourselves and one neighbor. We used to have registered and commercial cows but live close to 3 established breeders and we don't (never have) show, so was hard to get any buyers. We always ran our reg. cows the same as the rest, at least you know what you've got. I am interested in the new bull though :-)

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Postby Bull Burger » Sat Mar 26, 2005 9:10 pm

Jinglebob wrote:I know I shouldn't, but I just have to reply to Northern Ranchers post and comment on the Longhorns. Years back we got tired of calving problems in first calf heifers so tried a longhorn. We picked out a stout, well made bull, just like we would for any other breed as we were assured that they would be easy calvers. They were right and the calves sold right along with the other calves. People who cuss small longhorn x calves always seem to buy a scrub bull and then wonder why they have scrub calves. And too many longhorn breeders cull for color or horn size instead of efficiancy.

I believe that this is one of the reasons longhorn x calves lost grace with the feeders, coupled with the fact that longhorns grow at a lower rate of gain, all tho' they use less feed, but take a longer number of days to get to the same weight as english x and continental breeds.

Most of the neighbors have gone to AI, to low birthweight angus bulls on their heifers and have been having good luck calving heifers and I guess they are happy with the weaning weights.

I like my longhorn f1 females and they work for me, but then I don't like to sell cows when they are 10 years old and prefer to sell them when they are 15 to 18 when they fail to calve. And they are not wild, but I don't tag. Just train on my cows! Thats why I have them, to make my horses better! LOL

I did shoot and butcher my last bull as he put me on a fence and wouldn't let me down. It was quite satisfying! And he was delicious! I won't keep any of his heifers either!

I know a guy down south of Edgemont who has old style black angus cows. Very small and feminine and he won't keep a heifer calf out of one untill they are 15 years old. His calves aren't the biggest, but his cows don't have to be replaced as often either. When I commented on the size of the weaning weights of his calves his reply was, "Calves all bring about the same per head. Lighter calves bring more per pound, heavier calves bring less." He doesn't feed any supplement in the winter as long as he has grass. I believe he calves later in the spring also.


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Postby cowsense » Sat Mar 26, 2005 9:50 pm

Northern Rancher- would like some info on the new bull...Might be a good outcross on some of our polled PB's. I think BMr is scared to try the baldie route in case he likes them :wink: :roll: Just kidding :wink:

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Postby Big Muddy rancher » Sat Mar 26, 2005 11:39 pm

cowsense wrote:Northern Rancher- would like some info on the new bull...Might be a good outcross on some of our polled PB's. I think BMr is scared to try the baldie route in case he likes them :wink: :roll: Just kidding :wink:


I like the baldy calves but I don't have a barn to tie a Hereford bull in for the winter. :wink: :cowboy:
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