Had to get 5 4H calves domesticated in a very short time-it's been too snowy and muddy to use our donkey. Got the welding shop to make up some of those chain and loop deals like you said Dave-the kids had them pretty much where they needed them in a couple days. Thanks for the info.
They are basically an iron lop that goes over the nose with a small loop welded on the TOP then a chain with a snap that runs behind the ears-you snap your leadshank on the small loop. I'm not gifted enough on here to post a pic but maybe Dave is lol.