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SEEMS TO BE DISAPPEARING

Postby BEN PASCOE » Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:27 pm

SEEMS TO ME EVERYWHERE I TURN I SEE A NEW HOUSE, NEW PAVEMENT,THE OLD SIMPLE WAY OF LIFE IS REALLY HARD TO FIND ANYMORE. GREAT CATTLE COUNTRY IN AZ ?? THERE WAS AND STILL IS BUT DEVELOPMENT IS ENCROCHING ON EVERY CORNER. IT IS JUST SAD TO SEE IT GO. HARD AS HELL TO FIND A JOB PUNCHIN COWS AROUND HERE ANY MORE. WHEN YOU ARE BORN AND RAISED ON THE DESERT RUNNING CATTLE, CATCHIN WILD CATTLE AND ALL THESE NEW DEVOLPMENTS POPPING UP THEN WHAT???

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Postby sw » Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:54 pm

Ben P,
You should see what we had to drive through today in good old Bozeman MT. Makes me sick, what used to be pastures and hay fields are condos and malls, it is now the environmental capital of the west and those tree hugging bunny huggers think our cows do more harm than their thousands of wells and septic systems, roads, and carving out their peice of heaven on a mountain side. Do this several times a year but today with the green grass which we have not seen for awhile, it was even more sickening.
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Postby Faster horses » Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:49 am

sw, we totally agree.

We are from Buffalo, Wyoming and the same thing has happened in that area. We were just there for Memorial Day and that beautiful country from Sheridan to Gillette along the foothills of the mountains, is just house after house. My husband says they have just junked up the countryside. We don't even like to go back because of this.

We have family that owns land at the foot of the Big Horns, going up Crazy Woman Canyon. A beautiful, majestic canyon, now filling up with million dollar plus homes. Our cousin says it is all to impress someone, and "WE AIN'T IMPRESSED." He says if they are nice enough people, you still can't talk to them. They talk about travel and going here and there. Nothing like the life we live. Some of those people don't even live in those houses except a couple of months out of the year. But they sure keep the gates locked and want no cattle on their property. Horses, maybe, but NO COWS.

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Postby Jinglebob » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:00 am

Same thing is happening in the Black Hills of South Dakota. I guess it's hard to tell someone they can't have their lifes dream if they got the money to spend, but it don't seem to bother the enirowacko's.

I read an article about 25 to 30 years ago that stated "if you are ranching in country that is considered to be beautiful by most, be prepared to move out, as people will be moving in to live there." I didn't think we had to worry, but I'm starting to wonder. We are out on the plains and it's pretty country, but not mountainous (sp) and there isn't much of a way for anyone to make a living here and we do have some rough winters and poor roads, as considered by most.

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Hang in there, and look around. There must be somewhere you can go to follow your chosen trade. You may have to make a few changes and/or go to a different area, but we of the "cow clan" have had to adjust for years and we are still here and I don't think they will ever totally remove us. They need us to maintain their "wild places"! :lol:
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Postby Faster horses » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:08 am

JB, wish I had read that article 25 or 30 years ago. How do you suppose the author knew that? That kind of stuff fascinates the heck out of me.

When folks came to hunt, the wives were usually anxious to get back to 'civilization' and usually what mama wants, mamma gets. So I didn't think our country (Wyoming, at the time) would ever catch on due to the women folk.


What is your opinion. Why did it happen? I have an opinion of sorts, but don't know if I am even close.

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Postby Jinglebob » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:18 am

I think it mostly came about because of this thing we are using, the internet!

That and the fact that we have more disposable income.

People can come in who have made a good living elsewhere and our land costs and housing cost are so much below the rest of the populated country.

Many who come have roots to the land somehow and moved to the city to make their money and now come here to retire.

Most of the people who are moving into the Black Hills are from Colorado or California.

Many are building "summer" homes. There concept of money is so far removed from ours. We've lived cheap out here in the sticks for so long. What we consider average or slightly wealthy, most consider poor.

Most farmers and ranchers are considered on the bottom of the poverty level, by most of the rest of the populated country.
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Postby ranchwife » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:26 am

YUP!!!! :wink: I agree, sw....good old bozo went from agriculture capital to "greenie/granola" capital of montana in just a matter of a few years....Hell, no wonder they lost the college national finals rodeo!! :roll: More vegetarian/tree hugger types just a stones throw from our place than anywhere else in the state! Makes me sick to watch all that fertile, black, rich land being dug up for condos/real estate agency/financial institutions and car dealerships!! Unfortunately, more and more of those same folk are rolling over our way....the family ranch around here is becoming an endangered species and being taken over the by the real estate brokers who only want to sub-divide and make a buck!
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Postby BEN PASCOE » Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:35 am

Glad to see other people agree, there are so many things changing here it would make a grown man cry. The ranching industry has many a battle to fight, from the BLM saying no grazing on state land untill we have three years good rain, ( in a row). Yeah, this IS Arizona after all, the enviro-nuts stating that cattle grazing will be harmful to what ever that weird-looking bird is to the border crossers tearing up fence line and breaking floats, tearin up water tanks, pipes, ect.

There was more feed due to the extra rain we have got, all over!! I do not know of one cow turned out in this area. Why hasnt anyone turned anything out this season? Where are the cattle?? Oh I see lots....in feed lots!

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Postby Maple Leaf Angus » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:00 am

ranchwife wrote:YUP!!!! :wink: over our way....the family ranch around here is becoming an endangered species and being taken over the by the real estate brokers who only want to sub-divide and make a buck!


Here in Ontario we are faced with the same type of issue . . . the trouble starts when the transplanted city or town folk take exception to normal farming practices like planting or harvesting crop late at night . . . you see, it disturbs their sleep.

Many of them also seem to think that they are free to roam or drive ATV's over their neighbouring farmers land, but don't you dare set foot on their land. "What's yours is mine and what's mine is mine . . ."

A big contributing factor to good land being paved over is the very poor return on growing commodities. Why grow corn or beans at a loss if the developers want to make an urban-bordering landowner independently wealthy instantaneously?

Down around the city, the farmers have a saying that their best-paying crop rotation is no-till corn, no-till soys, no-till wheat, no-till asphalt.

Sad, but true.

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Postby jackim » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:12 am

Can anybody here tell me how -- in the olden days -- a cowboy roped a calf for branding?

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Postby Oldtimer » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:50 am

ranchwife wrote:YUP!!!! :wink: I agree, sw....good old bozo went from agriculture capital to "greenie/granola" capital of montana in just a matter of a few years....Hell, no wonder they lost the college national finals rodeo!! :roll: More vegetarian/tree hugger types just a stones throw from our place than anywhere else in the state! Makes me sick to watch all that fertile, black, rich land being dug up for condos/real estate agency/financial institutions and car dealerships!! Unfortunately, more and more of those same folk are rolling over our way....the family ranch around here is becoming an endangered species and being taken over the by the real estate brokers who only want to sub-divide and make a buck!


ranchwife-- You are right- I used to know all the places in the Gallatin Valley, but the last time I was there I was lost... Starting about 20 years ago many of the ranchs over there that sold out to the real estate people reinvested by buying places in eastern Montana- I can think of Rolling Rock Angus, Hinman Angus, Younkins right off the top of my head- several more... Now it is getting to where we are getting the out of staters, land investors, hunting preserve, mansion on a ranch- 2 horses and a dog type of people buying up lots of places over here too....

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Postby ranchwife » Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:51 pm

Oldtimer wrote:
ranchwife wrote:YUP!!!! :wink: I agree, sw....good old bozo went from agriculture capital to "greenie/granola" capital of montana in just a matter of a few years....Hell, no wonder they lost the college national finals rodeo!! :roll: More vegetarian/tree hugger types just a stones throw from our place than anywhere else in the state! Makes me sick to watch all that fertile, black, rich land being dug up for condos/real estate agency/financial institutions and car dealerships!! Unfortunately, more and more of those same folk are rolling over our way....the family ranch around here is becoming an endangered species and being taken over the by the real estate brokers who only want to sub-divide and make a buck!


ranchwife-- You are right- I used to know all the places in the Gallatin Valley, but the last time I was there I was lost... Starting about 20 years ago many of the ranchs over there that sold out to the real estate people reinvested by buying places in eastern Montana- I can think of Rolling Rock Angus, Hinman Angus, Younkins right off the top of my head- several more... Now it is getting to where we are getting the out of staters, land investors, hunting preserve, mansion on a ranch- 2 horses and a dog type of people buying up lots of places over here too....


am i the only person sickened by the ads in the papers for those quaint little "ranchettes".... a whole whuppin 1-5 acres....not even enough for a horse, cow and a good corgi :wink: millions of those darned things springing up all over the place...with their "mansions on a ranch"...how very sad :cry:

Maple Leaf Angus.....someone with their head on straight recently came up with a helpful little pamphlet to hand out to all "newbies" in the area warning them of the "nuisances" of rural living...ya know....mooing cattle that do not understand the dark means "quiet".....dirt roads that can and will wash out without warning.....dust being kicked up by tractors....the delicious aroma of manure in the heat....the distance one must travel to see a medical "specialist"....etc...will have to see about getting you a copy!! pretty good reading :D
Love wins....ennis, montana....June 14, 2003!!!

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