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Sell Calves?

Postby Buckskin » Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:33 pm

I have some 2004 calves left. Should I sell before Mar 7? What is the market going to do. Some say down big time and others say not much impact. What do you think Oldtimer? Anybody else have a idea, including our Canadian friends? :???:

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Postby Big Muddy rancher » Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:07 pm

Calves are quite good up here. I suppose in anticipation of the border opening and the fact that the feedlots are very current. If they drop much it will be mostly the speculator trying to drive the market down. But those "HONEST ORDER BUYERS " wouldn't try that would they. :cowboy:
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Re: Sell Calves?

Postby Oldtimer » Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:03 pm

Buckskin wrote:I have some 2004 calves left. Should I sell before Mar 7? What is the market going to do. Some say down big time and others say not much impact. What do you think Oldtimer? Anybody else have a idea, including our Canadian friends? :???:


Buckskin- I talked today with a borderline rancher that has bought bulls for years from a very good producer (and friend) in Canada.... This Saskatchewan bull producer is a very open and honest fellow who wanted to know the local feelings and about the prospects of ever getting bulls sold in the states again.....Anyway to make a long story short- he said that they have a lots full of calves up there that could come right now- Fits in with the Canadian governments 2.9% above record high cattle report... Still don't know where the NCBA inspectors went to see no cattle- but he said the big glut will be next year-- Cows that should have been culled 2-3 years ago they are taking calves out of and shooting the cow, because they have no grass or feed to keep them going- - Not calling anyone to test them either- just pushing them off in the nearest coulee for coyote bait....... Anyway he indicates there are a lot of calves....I personally think the prices on calves and feeders will take at least a $10 drop if the border opens- but the way the prices are holding I also think many feel it won't open- too many unanswered questions for Congress or the Courts to allow it........And God forbid if they open it up to cull cows or OTM beef- We'll be back to the $20-30 cull cows again.............

If you want to know names and more, PM me and I'll give them to you so you can contact them, since I've found most Canadians post anonomously on here and some will try to go after you personally if you post something that doesn't fit their outline of the situation........
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Re: Sell Calves?

Postby frenchie » Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:21 am

Oldtimer wrote:
Buckskin wrote:I have some 2004 calves left. Should I sell before Mar 7? What is the market going to do. Some say down big time and others say not much impact. What do you think Oldtimer? Anybody else have a idea, including our Canadian friends? :???:


Buckskin- I talked today with a borderline rancher that has bought bulls for years from a very good producer (and friend) in Canada.... This Saskatchewan bull producer is a very open and honest fellow who wanted to know about the prospects of ever getting bulls sold in the states again.....Anyway to make a long story short- he said that they have a lot of calves up there that could come right now- but he said the big glut will be next year-- Cows that should have been culled 2-3 years ago they are taking calves out of and shooting the cow, because they have no grass or feed to keep them going- - Not calling anyone to test them either- just pushing them off in the nearest coulee for coyote bait....... Anyway he indicates there are a lot of calves....I personally think the prices on calves and feeders will take at least a $10 drop if the border opens- but the way the prices are holding I also think many feel it won't- too many unanswered questions for Congress or the Courts to allow it........

If you want to know names and more, PM me and I'll give them to you so you can contact them, since I've found most Canadians post anonomously on here and some will try to go after you personally if you post something that doesn't fit their outline of the situation........


tsk tsk oldtimer nobody would do that would they now..We,s all friends here.... :D

Buckskin your guess is as good as mine as to sell or not. good luck.

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Re: Sell Calves?

Postby Guest » Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:57 am

Buckskin wrote:I have some 2004 calves left. Should I sell before Mar 7? What is the market going to do. Some say down big time and others say not much impact. What do you think Oldtimer? Anybody else have a idea, including our Canadian friends? :???:


Why not see what Agman has written in the past. There have been several posts that answer your questions much better than OT's lies ever could. Where in the heck did you hear there was a shortage of feed in Canada Oldtimer?

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Postby Northern Rancher » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:00 am

Oldtimer you are quite the guy-most Canadians post anonomously-if it's anonomous how can you tell-and they launch personal attacks-my aren't we the paragon of virtue. Tooo funny.

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Postby Bward » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:36 am

Calf and feeder prices are pretty good now in Canada.... and if the border opens I can't see it having much impact due to the value of the Canadian dollar being so high. There isn't much advantage for the US buyer to come up here and have to pay for all that expensive shipping, and deal with all the rep tape that is going to be involved with crossing the border... not to mention the possible hoards of R-calf protesters that will likely be lining up at border crossings, ready to cause havock. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. It all depends on American buying interest, for those calves are not going to walk across the border and volunteer themselves for a new home.

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Postby Aaron » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:38 am

I agree with Oldtimer for the most part. Probably be steers across the board that take the biggest hit in the US. I too think they will drop $10-15, especially if producers free up the calves that were part of the set-aside program. Don't see a big change in heifer or cow prices, on either side of the border, coming. Since your in Montana, I would suggest you at least sell your steer calves if the US market is good right now.

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Postby Big Muddy rancher » Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:06 am

A friend sold some calves in saskatoon on monday for$1.32 on 570 wt streers would that lower the price in the startes with all the red tape to get them there. A few light wt calves sold for $1.50,this is alot better then last fall so I would say the ste aside has helped to slow the marketings. :cowboy:
PS why would you shoot a cow unless she was a subject cancer eye or lump jaw when she would be worth a couple hundred dollars.

Oldtimer why don't you run up to Assinaboia some Wednesday and check out the sale.
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Postby Oldtimer » Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:20 am

Big Muddy rancher wrote: PS why would you shoot a cow unless she was a subject cancer eye or lump jaw when she would be worth a couple hundred dollars.

Oldtimer why don't you run up to Assinaboia some Wednesday and check out the sale.


Big Muddy- I should get up there sometime- but kind of tied to the place for a while...Daughter works out of town 4-5 days a week and I end up playing grandpa- don't think Canada is ready for my grandkids....

Something I was wondering- how many people are calling to have cows tested this last month? It wouldn't be worth $10,000 head if you were the one that had a cow tested that came back positive a week before the border was supposed to open...... Just makes you wonder....

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Postby CattleAnnie » Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:52 am

Good morning, OT.

You've got a valid point in your question, but I sure don't know the answer.

However, it did lead me to a question of my own for US producers:

Q. If you discovered one of your cows wobbling around in the pasture, how eager would you (as an American producer and seeing the impact that BSE positive cattle have made on the Canadian cattle industry) be to have that cow tested?

Q. Also, would you (not trying to imply anything untoward, but as a vote of confidence in the USDA BSE testing system) volunteer to send an additional sample from that same cow to an independant lab - say Great Britian?


Just curious.

Take care.

ps. If Canada can handle my rowdy bunch of children, we sure wouldn't flinch at your grandson. We like kids with character. Come on up!

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Postby S.S.A.P. » Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:04 pm

Oldtimer wrote:
Big Muddy rancher wrote: PS why would you shoot a cow unless she was a subject cancer eye or lump jaw when she would be worth a couple hundred dollars.

Oldtimer why don't you run up to Assinaboia some Wednesday and check out the sale.


Big Muddy- I should get up there sometime- but kind of tied to the place for a while...Daughter works out of town 4-5 days a week and I end up playing grandpa- don't think Canada is ready for my grandkids....

Something I was wondering- how many people are calling to have cows tested this last month? It wouldn't be worth $10,000 head if you were the one that had a cow tested that came back positive a week before the border was supposed to open...... Just makes you wonder....



"Something I was wondering- how many people are calling to have cows tested this last month? It wouldn't be worth $10,000 head if you were the one that had a cow tested that came back positive a week before the border was supposed to open...... Just makes you wonder...

This reasoning could also be applied to the USA .... regaining their Japanese market......... just makes you wonder


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