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Apple Cider Vinegar/ Supplement Question

Postby ReRun » Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:58 pm

I’ve been reading Ranchers for awhile now, this is my first question on Ranchers.net. I need some advice from the Pro’s. :)

Who has experience and knowledge with feeding Apple Cider Vinegar? What are the benefits you’ve witnessed/experienced? And what would make you refer it to others for?

I ask, because I have a 2 year old gelding that I had wintered out in NE and brought him to CO in May. He’s thin in the neck and down his top line and I’m trying to put weight on him. In addition to hay he’s getting 1 to 2 flakes of alfalfa and a pound of Strategy in the middle of the day. He looked wormy when I got him home (pot belly, long frizzy coat and itchy) I wormed him 2 times in 30 days and he’s finally starting to shed out…. Someone suggested I start feeding him Apple Cider Vinegar “to fix him” and “make him healthy”. She feeds it to her horse and swears by it, but I don’t see all the benefits she and the internet talk about shinning through oh her horse.

So does anyone have any advise/suggestions on feeding the Vinegar or any recommendations on a vitamin or mineral supplement to help fill him out? :?

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Postby Faster horses » Sun Jun 06, 2010 4:00 pm

Vinegar is a nice supplement, it won't do anything nutrition wise.
I have a friend who is an eqine healer. She advocates the use
apple cider vinegar and cinnamon mixed daily in grain. Apple cider
vinegar helps with arthritis. I know of a horse that had a bone spur
in its hoof, the vet said it was done for. She consulted this healer
that I just mentioned and was advised to soak the horses foot
in apple cider vinegar. They did. That was many years ago but they
team roped on that horse for a long time after that. I have a friend
who drinks apple cider vinegar and swears it helps the arthritis
in her back. But fed to horses, it is a supplement. Not a substitute.

I would suggest you do a Power Pack on your horse if you have not
been worming him with Safeguard. The Ivomec products just do not
get all the worms. You can buy the Power Pack most stores where
they sell horse wormer. Or if you want to save money, go get the
cattle equivelant, which is Safeguard. For equines it is called Panacur,
but both have the same exact ingredients. For older horses a Power
Pack calls for double dose for 5 days. For a 2-year old, I'd suggest
regular dose for 5 days. You can get it in pellet form or in a tube.
If you get the pellets, it would take 1 lb. a day for 5 days for 1000# horse.
800# horse would get .8 lb. for 5 days. Young animals are more suspetible to worms than older animals.

I'll send you a PM about Strategy. There are much better products
out there.

Hope this helps.
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Postby katrina » Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:23 am

I would have him checked by a vet for worms... And when and if he is clean then I would grdually start feeding him in the morning and night if you can... I feed strategy and like it... If you can get your hands on some progressive nutrition that would be an option... I also feed oats... Horses won't founder on oats, but make sure he can and does poop.. Sometimes it can cause a blockage especially if you don't know what your digestive system is on your horse... I've done them all.... All kinds of feed from beet pulp to you name it... You just have to find what works for your horse. And start slow... It takes time.... Let us know how ya turn out..
Oh ya cider vinegar is great to keep the flies off your horse.. I've put it in the water trough..... Good Luck and keep us posted... It'a all a learning thingy....
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Postby ReRun » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:40 pm

Thank you guys!... I'll keep you posted on his progress :)

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Postby loomixguy » Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:57 pm

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Postby Faster horses » Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:25 pm

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Postby the_jersey_lilly_2000 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:21 am

Apple Cider Vinegar is good for your horse. But...it won't put any weight on it. It will however help him better digest the feed you are feeding. It's good for their joints. Even tho a 2 year old shouldn't really have any joint issues yet. It's good for keeping their kidneys flushed out. Also it helps keep flies and mosquitos off them to a degree. Everyone here on the place gets 1/4 cup at each feeding mixed in with their feed.

The safeguard power pack worming is a good idea. It just does them good if they've never had it done.

Apple Cider Vinegar is more of an "inside" the horse supplement than it is somethin you'd "see" a noticeable difference....if that made sense.

But you hafta be feeding the right feed to see results your lookin for.

I'm not a fan of strategy...but that's my own personal opinion. I have used it.....didn't like it. Especially for the price. There's lots better feed out there that's not as expensive. Most importantly...no matter what you feed, read the feed tag, and feeding instructions. Weight of your horse, verses how many lbs of feed you should feed a day. And it's always better if they are fed twice a day verses once a day. Break up the amount into two feedings. And make sure they have hay available all the time. I wouldn't say alfalfa hay.....but at least good grass hay.

Also somethin that's good for growin ones....or ones that need weight...is top dressing their feed ration with Calf Manna.
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Postby katrina » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:41 pm

Here is calories per pound..




Purina Mills Feeds.........Calories Per Pound
Omolene: 100............................1,535
Omolene: 200............................1,625
Omolene: 300............................1,535
Strategy.....................................1,500
Equine Family: Junior..............1,350
Equine Family: Adult...............1,100
Equine Family: Senior .............1,225
Race Ready................................1,625
Ultimum.......................................1,800
Horse Chow: 100........................1,000
Horse Chow: 200........................1,125
Complete Advantage ................1,400
Horseman’s Edge: 12% Swt......1,500
Horseman’s Edge: 14% Swt.......1,500
Nature’s Essentials: M&M .......1,100
Nature’s Essentials: B t W........ 1,300
Athlete .........................................1,900
Ingredients: Oats.........................1,100
Ingredients: Corn.........................1,500
Ingredients: Beet Pulp.................1,060

Kent Feeds, Inc...................Calories Per Pound
Dynasty Junior.............................1,430
Dynasty Pro..................................1,475
Dynasty Show..............................1,475
Dynasty Pride...............................1,225
Dynasty Senior ............................1,274
Granolene Mare & Foal...............1,475
Granolene Omni ...........................1,550
Granolene Elite..............................1,525
Granolene LS.................................1,560

Nutrena Feeds..................Calories Per Pound
Mixed: LD Senior.........................1,318
Pelleted: LiteBalance....................1,000
Pelleted: SafeChoice....................1,431
Pelleted: LD Youth.......................1,400
Pelleted: LD Prime 10...................1,318
Pelleted: LD Compete 14............1,500
Pelleted: Milk Plus........................1,318
Textured: Vitality Ultra................1,590
Extruded: Empower......................1,863
Textured: XTN..............................1,636


Blue Seal Foods, Inc..............Calories Per Pound
Vintage Gold..................................1,535
Vintage Mare & Foal....................1,480
Vintage Senior...............................1,440
Vintage Versatility........................1,590
Vintage Racer................................1,560
Vintage Sweet...............................1,560
Vintage Victory.............................1,550
Pellets: Demand.............................1,490
Pellets: Contender.........................1,435
Pellets: Hunter...............................1,485
Pellets: Carb-Guard.......................1,500
Pellets: Trotter...............................1,325
Pellets: Sport..................................1,525
Pellets: Strider................................1,450
Coarse Sweet: Charger.................1,520
Coarse Sweet: Pacer.....................1,520
Coarse Sweet: Rider......................1,450
Horse 10..........................................1,470

Blue Seal Feeds, Inc................Calories Per Pound
Omegatin.........................................1,800
New Sunshine Plus.......................1,350
EZ Hoof..........................................1,365
Natural 36.......................................1,350
Pelleted MinAVite.........................1,100
Hay Stretcher..................................1,100

Triple Crown Feeds
14% Textured..................................1,708
10% Textured..................................1,725
Triple Crown Senior.......................1,546
Triple Crown Complete..................1,596
Triple Crown Growth.......................1,568
Lite Pellet..........................................1,150
Low Starch Pellet.............................1,428
Herbal Blend.....................................1,456
12% Supplemental Pellet..................1,288
30% Supplemental Pellet.................1,266
Chopped Alfalfa Forage...................960
Chopped Grass Forage.....................920
Condition Chaff.................................1,100


Buckeye Feeds........................Calories Per Pound
Technical-
Grass Plus..........................................1,550
Alfalfa Plus Performer......................1,550
Gro N Win..........................................1,300
Gro N Win Alfa.................................1,300
Formula Line-
Growth Sweet......................................1,550
Growth Texture...................................1,450
Growth Pellet.......................................1,420
Training Formula................................1,550
Cadence Formula................................1,650
Show Formula......................................1,250
Leisure Line-
Senior Texture.....................................1,237
Senior Pellet..........................................1,316
Senior GC...............................................1,299
Safe N Easy Pellet................................1,250
Safe N Easy Texture.............................1,420
Complete N Win Line-
Race.............................................. ...........1,575
Unbeetable........................................ .....1,575
Prominent......................................... ......1,600
Supreme........................................... .......1,550
Supreme 10.............................................1,550
Trifecta.......................................... ...........1,750
Horsemen’s Line-
Pleasure.......................................... .........1,460
Mustang........................................... .......1,300
Wrangler.......................................... .......1,200
Endurance 101........................................1,650
Foal Starter........................................... ....1,520
High Fat Supplements-...........................1980
Ultimate Finish 100..................................3,900
Ultimate Finish 40....................................2,050

TDI Horse Feeds.................................Calories Per Pound
TDI 16 Pelleted Horse Feed....................1,410
TDI 12 Pelleted Horse Feed....................1,410
TDI 30 Pelleted Supplement....................1,240
TDI 10 Pelleted Supplement....................1,180
TDI Senior Horse Feed...............................1,430


Let me just add the following NSC% information.

Maker : Product........................................... .............................. NSC
BOSS (Black oil sunflower seeds) .................................................. 5.60%
POULIN: Carb Safe.................................................. ....................10%
TRIPLE CROWN:Safe Starch Forage................................................10 %
BLUE SEAL: Carb Guard............................................. ...................11%
LMFLMF: Low Carb Complete Stage............................................. ...11%
BUCKEYE NUTRITION: Safe n’ Easy Pelleted......................................12.5 0%
PROGRESSIVE PRODUCTS: ProAdvantage grass formula (ration balancer) - 13%
SEMINOLE: Happy Hoof .................................................. ..............15%
TRIPLE CROWN: Low Starch.................................................. .........15.00%
TRIPLE CROWN: Senior - .................................................. .............15.70%
TRIPLE CROWN: Lite - .................................................. .................15.90%
BUCKEYE NUTRITION: Safe n’ Easy Textured - ...................................16%
PURINA: Horse Chow 100 - .................................................. ...........16%
PURINA: Nature Essentials (Mare & Main) supplement - ........................16%
PURINA: Nature Essentials Born to Win - ............................................16%
FARNAM: Platform Senior - .................................................. ............16.10%
POULIN: Stablemate 14 complete - .................................................. .16.30%
NUTRENA: Lite Balance - .................................................. ...............17.10%
POULIN: MVP - .................................................. ............................17.40%
PURINA: Horse Chow 200 - .................................................. ............18%
PROGRESSIVE PRODUCTS: Lo-carb - .................................................. 19%
PURINA: REVOLUTION Feed - .................................................. ..........19%
TRIPLE CROWN: Growth - .................................................. ...............19.80%
BLUE SEAL: Vintage Senior - .................................................. ...........20%
PURINA: Equine Adult - .................................................. ..................20%
FARNAM: Platform Mini & Pony - .................................................. ......20.50%
TRIPLE CROWN: Complete .................................................. ..............21.70%
PROGRESSIVE PRODUCTS: Senior pelleted - .........................................22%
PURINA: Equine Sr - .................................................. ......................22%
NUTRENA: SafeChoice - .................................................. .................22.80%
PURINA: Complete Advantage - .................................................. .......22.90%
PURINA: Equine Jr - .................................................. .......................23%
PROGRESSIVE PRODUCTS: Senior Textured - ........................................24%
BLUE SEAL: Trotter - .................................................. .....................25%
BLUE SEAL: Demand - .................................................. ....................26%
PURINA: Strategy - .................................................. .......................28%
TRIPLE CROWN:12% - .................................................. ....................29.70%
BLUE SEAL: Vintage Racer - .................................................. ............30%
LMFLMF: Senior - .................................................. ..........................30%
POULIN: Senior - .................................................. ...........................31.30%
BLUE SEAL: Vintage Gold - .................................................. ..............32%
BLUE SEAL: Vintage Mare Foal - .................................................. .......33%
BLUE SEAL: Hunter - .................................................. ......................33%
POULIN: Endure 10:12 - .................................................. .................33.70%
POULIN: Endure 10:8 - .................................................. ...................33.90%
BLUE SEAL: Contender - .................................................. .................34%
BLUE SEAL: Vintage Sweet - .................................................. ............35%
BLUE SEAL: Vintage Victory - .................................................. ...........36%
TRIPLE CROWN: 14% performance - .................................................. ...38.20%
BLUE SEAL: Charger - .................................................. ......................39%
BLUE SEAL: Sport 40% - .................................................. ..................40%
PURINA: Omelene 100 - .................................................. ...................40.50%
TRIPLE CROWN: 10% performance - .................................................. ....41.50%
BLUE SEAL: Strider - .................................................. ........................42%
BLUE SEAL: Rider - .................................................. ...........................44%
BLUE SEAL: Horse 10 - .................................................. ......................45%
BLUE SEAL: Pacer - .................................................. ..........................48%
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Postby Faster horses » Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:57 pm

It's best to rely on ingredients, we can easily be fooled by analysis
based on %'s. For instance, Dirt contains protein, but is not digested.
So be sure to take a look at the ingredients, as JL mentioned.
I've seen Chicken Digest in Dog Food...adds protein %... :shock:

I don't like Strategy...seen lots of problems with it...but it's highly
advertised.
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Postby tta stockdogs » Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:09 pm

I'll second the Calf Manna that Jersey Lily mentioned....1lb coffee can twice a day.
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