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Postby Northern Rancher » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:20 am

We run a fair amount of horses in one herd-there are more than one stud with them but they get their own mares and pretty much ignore one another out on pasture. Most times once a stud has a band gathered he won't accept another mare into it-I think they run them off to avoid fighting the stud she ran off from. We gathered horses the other day and there was a mare we'd been treating for retained placenta-the studs let her in the bunch she had been with them up to foaling. I had another mare we'd bred to a different horse up in the corrals so I tried to mix her in. They kept chasing her off-I wonder if they could tell she was already bred. Horses definately behave different in a more natural setting.

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Postby BAR BAR 2 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:20 am

A lot of times they will run off a mare bred by another stud Northern. It goes back to basic animal instinct and procreation. Why would that new stud want to take care of another studs mare when he won't be able to pass on his seed. I'm not trying to be crude, I just don't know of a more polite way to say it. I went and picked up a stud last night. He belongs to a family here that raise bucking horses and have a rodeo company. They usually have some in the NFR every year. We have a big stout TB mare that hasn't stuck the two other times I've had her with a stud. This year I am going to give her and another mare a shot to bring them in heat and I will watch her get stuck. If she don't stick this time I'm gonna make a nice big beautiful rug out of her. She is the last racehorse stock that the "Hostile Natives" dad raised, so we can't just run her thru the kill pen. I also have a big bay roan 3yr old gelding out of this stud. The colt is pure buckin stock. If I'm not mistaken, his mom has been to Vegas. I just wanted to see if I could start one under saddle. So far, I've got a few rides on him and he's doing good. We gathered all of the 3 and 4 year olds a while back and the owner told me to pick one out and said if I was riding him next year on the gather he would give him to me. Now its a matter of pride. There were too many sure enough cowboys there that witnessed the exchange. But dang, when hes finished he will be nice. He's a big Charlie Russell looking horse.

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Postby katrina » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:25 pm

BAR BAR 2 wrote:A lot of times they will run off a mare bred by another stud Northern. It goes back to basic animal instinct and procreation. Why would that new stud want to take care of another studs mare when he won't be able to pass on his seed. I'm not trying to be crude, I just don't know of a more polite way to say it. I went and picked up a stud last night. He belongs to a family here that raise bucking horses and have a rodeo company. They usually have some in the NFR every year. We have a big stout TB mare that hasn't stuck the two other times I've had her with a stud. This year I am going to give her and another mare a shot to bring them in heat and I will watch her get stuck. If she don't stick this time I'm gonna make a nice big beautiful rug out of her. She is the last racehorse stock that the "Hostile Natives" dad raised, so we can't just run her thru the kill pen. I also have a big bay roan 3yr old gelding out of this stud. The colt is pure buckin stock. If I'm not mistaken, his mom has been to Vegas. I just wanted to see if I could start one under saddle. So far, I've got a few rides on him and he's doing good. We gathered all of the 3 and 4 year olds a while back and the owner told me to pick one out and said if I was riding him next year on the gather he would give him to me. Now its a matter of pride. There were too many sure enough cowboys there that witnessed the exchange. But dang, when hes finished he will be nice. He's a big Charlie Russell looking horse.



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Postby Northern Rancher » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:27 pm

I bet you'd like to try some of our big roans out-i had 1/4 horse guys asking to breed to the 'blue Feathers' stud till I told them he was a bucker. I like running horses in herds not in little runs like a kennelled dog.

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Postby loomixguy » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:05 am

NR...be grateful the stud or studs didn't kill the mare. Even if she had been open and in heat...no guarantee she would be welcome. We had that problem with the old Crawfish stud.....if he didn't like a mare for some reason, he'd wait until you slipped the halter off and she was loose, then he'd run her down and break her neck. Not a helluva lot you can do but watch.

We also had a pasture with generally 20-30 studs running in it, from 2-12 years old. Never had any problems, other than occasional rough housing, cause there wasn't anything to fight over.
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Postby jingo2 » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:42 am

loomixguy wrote:NR...be grateful the stud or studs didn't kill the mare. Even if she had been open and in heat...no guarantee she would be welcome. We had that problem with the old Crawfish stud.....if he didn't like a mare for some reason, he'd wait until you slipped the halter off and she was loose, then he'd run her down and break her neck. Not a helluva lot you can do but watch.

We also had a pasture with generally 20-30 studs running in it, from 2-12 years old. Never had any problems, other than occasional rough housing, cause there wasn't anything to fight over.



Oh yes there is someting you can do.l.......put a bullet in the SOB stud.

That's like have a mean man killer bull on the place......there is no need to have such a critter.

There's plenty out there that DON'T behave that way.

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Postby loomixguy » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:13 pm

He sired 11 World Champion halter and performance horses. The only time I ever saw tears in my Dad's eyes was when Crawfish died at the Vet School at Ames from colic......

He was never mean to peoples.....he just dealt with mares he didn't like in a permanent fashion. He had no problem when I took the old Bull Wagon mare out to him...he put her right in the bunch and sired a World Champion halter mare who also tore it up on the racetracks as a 2 year old.
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Postby BAR BAR 2 » Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:54 am

Having a stud is not for everyone Jingo2. Me, I like a certain type and look. Don't get me wrong, there are some nice blooded horses out there. These types though, I will buy with the intention of selling them. I don't care if a stud has a little attitude. I can go and do so much more on those old style ornery horses that I ever can on a little cutter reiner. And, its also a matter of pride. Not just anyone can ride and handle those old style range horses. Some of them, you better be able to ride and cowboy or you won't get along with them. NR, I would love to see some of your horses and the blue roan stud. He sounds like my type. If you ever head this way, I would be interested in buying one from you. In my opinion, you can't beat that type for ranch work. So many times we are too far away from the headquarters to swap horses in the middle of the day. Therefore, we need a horse with a lot of bottom to him so he can last allday. Do you ever come this way or bring any horses with you?

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Postby Northern Rancher » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:04 pm

I'll never forget stopping at Max Gifford's one time he had probably the ugliest paint horse I've ever seen-a retiree from the wild horse race-my travelling partner told Max 'That's the ugliest horse I've ever seen and I should know because I've had some close runners up'. Max said you could put 60 miles a day on him and still have some horse left. We try to get down to that Buffalo country every year-I'm sure a horse delivering road trip might work-I know the bull ones were good fun. I'll take some pics of some of the young horses kicking around here.

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Postby BAR BAR 2 » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:47 pm

That would be great. I love those big ranchy types. A lot of times I get some looks when I'm riding one. The bay roan I have is 3 weighs about 1300. Roman nose, hammerheaded, high withered, pie footed with all black feet and just a touch of feather legs. When I got this horse, the only time he had ever been touched was when he got his nuts cut and branded. We gathered 250 head out of a 12,000 acre pasture. You talk about a wild west time. I've had this back injury since fall but when they called and asked if I wanted to help, I was gone. Sometimes a fella just has to suck it up. We moved them twice in about a month. Dang that's a blast. There aren't too many people on this earth who can claim they've got to do that. When you are running flat out and there are 1000 hooves hitting the ground right next to you, you start to really feel alive. Feeling the ground shake and not knowing what is beyond the next ridge and all those horses within arms reach, oh man, that's better than sex. And I've seen some people bring out the cute little cutter/reiner types. Their horses are usually give out before we can even locate the horses. I'm serious though, I would be interested in a ranchy looking young one.

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Postby Northern Rancher » Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:12 pm

We have a coming two off this mare.

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This is the stud.

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We'll see how he grows up and if he wants to buck-this mare is the replacement for my old rope horse if I can keep her away from the boys.

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Postby BAR BAR 2 » Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:44 pm

I like that stud. Most people look at a horse starting at the head and then go back. I start off looking for black feet and then the front legs. They have to have a set of good heavy stout legs. If I like what I see there, then I look at the rest of the horse. In my opinion if a horse is weak in the legs or feet, it doesn't matter how good the rest of him is. They have to have good legs and feet or they won't make it. Its like a nice car or truck. If they have flat tire, theywont go anywhere. What do you think you might sell. I look for 2-3 year olds with good structure and a little lazy. Its been my experience that I can speed one up, but slowing them down is hard. What range of prices do you get?


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