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Postby BAR BAR 2 » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:11 am

For a few weeks now I've been thinking of stepping out of my realm a little bit and getting myself a filly with the idea of training her for working cowhorse competitions. I asked a gal at church who competes about some possible sources for a good prospect. She was able to point me in the right direction with some names and numbers so today I started calling around. Not having much luck I remembered a horse I had bought one time from Faster Horses' daughter and son in law. Well I called them and boy was that ever the wrong thing to do. FH's SIL had just what I was looing for. Bred right, colored right and priced right. Yeehaw, I thought I was doing good but he kept talking. He allowed as to how they were selling out and we should come have a look at some mares that were a 3 in 1 package. Well I called up the Hostile Native just to see if I could get a rise out of her and holy smoke the joke was on me. She said,"I'll be home in a little while let's go look". UH OH. My usual voice of reason and sanity has done been abducted. We got out there and upon seeing the little filly I called about I'd made my mind up on her. Now we get to the mares. We ended up buying two of the 3 in 1 packages and also another broodmare. I'm pretty excited and looking forward to picking them up tomorrow. The bloodlines are pretty neat. Names on the 3 generation pedigrees consist of Mr.Gunsmoke, PeppySan, Leo, Wilywood, Orphan Drift, RocketBar, HollywoodDunIt and ZanParBar. As you can see I'm pretty excited and still in awe of the Hostile Natives escaping good sense. Today was completely out of character for her.

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Postby Faster horses » Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:54 am

Have fun with those horses, Bar Bar 2. We will expect pictures, of course!
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Re: No Horse Sales For Me

Postby Chimenea » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:27 pm

BAR BAR 2 wrote:For a few weeks now I've been thinking of stepping out of my realm a little bit and getting myself a filly with the idea of training her for working cowhorse competitions. I asked a gal at church who competes about some possible sources for a good prospect. She was able to point me in the right direction with some names and numbers so today I started calling around. Not having much luck I remembered a horse I had bought one time from Faster Horses' daughter and son in law. Well I called them and boy was that ever the wrong thing to do. FH's SIL had just what I was looing for. Bred right, colored right and priced right. Yeehaw, I thought I was doing good but he kept talking. He allowed as to how they were selling out and we should come have a look at some mares that were a 3 in 1 package. Well I called up the Hostile Native just to see if I could get a rise out of her and holy smoke the joke was on me. She said,"I'll be home in a little while let's go look". UH OH. My usual voice of reason and sanity has done been abducted. We got out there and upon seeing the little filly I called about I'd made my mind up on her. Now we get to the mares. We ended up buying two of the 3 in 1 packages and also another broodmare. I'm pretty excited and looking forward to picking them up tomorrow. The bloodlines are pretty neat. Names on the 3 generation pedigrees consist of Mr.Gunsmoke, PeppySan, Leo, Wilywood, Orphan Drift, RocketBar, HollywoodDunIt and ZanParBar. As you can see I'm pretty excited and still in awe of the Hostile Natives escaping good sense. Today was completely out of character for her.


Pictures and full pedigrees, please :D Glad to see that (for once...) it was someone other than me that got the disease.... :lol:

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Postby OldDog/NewTricks » Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:33 pm

Yea! Where are the pictures...
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Postby BAR BAR 2 » Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:47 pm

They are coming. Actually I just walked in the door a few minutes ago. There was a lot going on today so I wasn't able to go and pick them up until late afternoon and then I had about a 1 1/2 hour drive back to the ranch. The Hostile Native is still thinking we lost our mind. I had no inclination to buy a bunch of mares or babies when we went over there. I did get the one I was after though. I'm just wondering why I bought her dam and full brother and the others. Oh well. I'm glad we did it. Now I'm going to be racking my brain trying to figure out what kind of stud to breed them to. The gray mare is double bred Leo and also has Rocket Bar on her papers. A good friend of ours who is a barrel racer and also owns and runs "TURN" Barrel Horse Magazine has a Streakin Six son that I think will cross nice on her. I'm still thinking on a stud for the Orphan Drift mare and also the Hollywood Dun It mare. I've got till next spring after they foal to come up with some answers, but I need to start saving up for stud fees now. Any ideas ?

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Postby Faster horses » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:59 pm

How about that young buckskin stallion Tom Wagoner has?
I know his dam and sire and he is something else to look at;
like WOW. He should have some colts on the ground by now too.
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BAR BAR 2's mares

Postby Chimenea » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:45 am

BAR BAR 2 wrote:They are coming. Actually I just walked in the door a few minutes ago. There was a lot going on today so I wasn't able to go and pick them up until late afternoon and then I had about a 1 1/2 hour drive back to the ranch. The Hostile Native is still thinking we lost our mind. I had no inclination to buy a bunch of mares or babies when we went over there. I did get the one I was after though. I'm just wondering why I bought her dam and full brother and the others. Oh well. I'm glad we did it. Now I'm going to be racking my brain trying to figure out what kind of stud to breed them to. The gray mare is double bred Leo and also has Rocket Bar on her papers. A good friend of ours who is a barrel racer and also owns and runs "TURN" Barrel Horse Magazine has a Streakin Six son that I think will cross nice on her. I'm still thinking on a stud for the Orphan Drift mare and also the Hollywood Dun It mare. I've got till next spring after they foal to come up with some answers, but I need to start saving up for stud fees now. Any ideas ?


Oh, wow, you're asking us about stallions we like? You've opened up a great, big tub of worms with that invitation :shock:

A lot of the decision will obviously depend on exactly how your mares are bred, how they're built, their temperaments, how and what they've produced over the years, what you're hoping to produce from the cross, and any number of other factors. Not knowing what you're breeding for, and not knowing much about your mares other than some generalities about their pedigrees, a couple of thoughts for you (which may or may not be helpful, but the hallucinating is sure fun :D):

There are quite a few Driftwood bred stallions out there that might cross well with the Orphan Drift mare (and probably with the other two mares) if you want to continue with the line breeding and are looking to produce higher-level rodeo competition horses. Mel Potter in Marana, AZ, (you can see his site at http://www.potterranch.com/stallions.html) has a couple of good ones, and there are a lot more of them in the ND/Montana area than we can list here.

For the Leo/Rocket Bar bred mare (and maybe the Orphan Drift mare, too), if you are looking to breed to a horse that adds some flat-out speed and can find something with the right temperament and physiology for you, I'd be inclined to look for something with a Beduino/Dash For Cash cross. If you can find the right Corona Cartel horse that hasn't had the "short" speed bred out of it on the bottom side of its pedigree, they can flat out scoot and are pretty tractable.

If you want to cross for more of a working cow horse type of prospect, there are plenty of Playgun sons out there (more on that in a second), as well as a really nice buckskin standing at the 6666 ranch (Playboys Buck Fever) that could be nice options for all three of your mares with the breeding you've described. And for a middle of the road type of horse that can do a lot of stuff, there are still some stallions out there with a Jackie Bee / Goldfingers cross that make for some really nice ranch and roping horses, the Pitzers have some horses that could be good options for you, and Bill Smith has a nice lineup of all-around ranch type horses, too.

With the broodmare band we have, and with what we're trying to produce with them, we're looking very seriously at a Playgun bred horse for an outcross next year. There's a stud I found that I really like, his name is Chics Playgun (this colt here http://www.playgun-oak.com/chicsplaygun.htm); he's by Playgun and out of a daughter of Smart Chic Olena. Second dam is by Peppy San Badger (which, for attitude reasons, usually makes me cringe, but this colt seems to have gotten the Smart Chic and Playgun attitudes, not the Little Peppy attitude). He's a good sized colt, stout, and really well built with good bone, a nice set to his hocks, a good hip and heart girth, nice neck, and a better-than-average head. The dark steel gray color doesn't hurt much, either. He's throwing some nice babies, and is still fairly reasonably priced with a breeding fee of $750 (or $900 if you chose to pay the breeding fee when the baby is born).

Anyway, there are a lot of really nice Playgun sons out there that I've checked out and to which I wouldn't mind breeding: Real Gun, a couple out of daughters of Doc O Lena, a couple out of daughters of Colonel Freckles, and I think Circle Bar Pistol is pretty slick, too; and, of course, old Playgun himself is still breeding. But I haven't seen a lot of Playgun sons that are crossed on Smart Chic Olena, who I kind of like since he has some size, a good attitude, and was pretty versatile as a competitor. And, of course, a lot of them have gotten popular enough to where their breeding fees are outside our budget. Chics Playgun appears to be of comparable genetic quality, but still available at a lower fee.

And if you really want to go outside the box and experiment, there are a couple of alternatives with bloodlines that have worked well for us in the past for what we're producing. They're usually not thought of as options for producing ranch horses, but I´ll be the first to tell you, crossed on the right types of mares, they definitely fit the bill. It's riskier if you want to sell prospects since the unconventional bloodlines make for babies that are less marketable, but if you're going to keep your horses for your own use and won't sell them until they have some years under saddle, they might work for you. For example, a good son of Skipping Duino (with the right dam), will produce some really good all-around horses with size, and all the athleticism and endurance you will need for rodeo or ranch use. Again, if you like size, athleticism, and a pretty look, the right Impressive bred stallion could work well, also, particularly on the Leo/Rocket Bar mare, and maybe with the Hollywood Dunnit mare, too.

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Postby BAR BAR 2 » Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:56 pm

I like the way you think Chiminea. I've already thought about the Buck Fever stud at the 6's. I like their Sixes Pick stud too. I went to the Clovis,NM sale last year and saw some colts out of him and WOW. They are pretty. I've always liked Paddys Irish Whiskey, but I don't know. On the Leo / Rocket Bar mare I've got her cross picked already. A friend of ours has a Streakin Six son that is nice. I've been told there is only 3 bred like him and Charmayne James has one of the other two. So the gray mare is decided. I was thinking about another Driftwood on the dun Orphan Drift mare, but I've got time yet. I'm definetly thinking on the Playboys Buck Fever though for the Hollywood Dun It mare. I would like to lean toward working cowhorse type horses that can go on to other things when they are done with the cowhorse stuff. Obviously I'm not talking about the Leo / Streakin Six colt though. I'm thinking though, if the colts had a little size they could go to the roping arena though. Anyhow, this is what I'm thinking.

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Postby Faster horses » Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:04 pm

Chiminea, I enjoyed your post about the horses.
Are you talking about Bill Smith of Spur, Texas?
If so, we have met him and seen his horses--have much
respect for his program. He's quite a guy. So down to earth
and genuine. He actually let Mr. FH ride his Possum horse.
What a treat!

What are your thoughts on Bully Bullion breeding?
We have a friend in Texas that sure likes these horses, if
not for him, I wouldn't know anything about them. I do
thinkk they are not little horses, more stout type ranch
and rope horses. Looking forward to your reply.
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No Horse Sales For Me

Postby Chimenea » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:48 pm

Faster horses wrote:Chiminea, I enjoyed your post about the horses.
Are you talking about Bill Smith of Spur, Texas?
If so, we have met him and seen his horses--have much
respect for his program. He's quite a guy. So down to earth
and genuine. He actually let Mr. FH ride his Possum horse.
What a treat!

What are your thoughts on Bully Bullion breeding?
We have a friend in Texas that sure likes these horses, if
not for him, I wouldn't know anything about them. I do
thinkk they are not little horses, more stout type ranch
and rope horses. Looking forward to your reply.


Hi FH :D

I'm not sure where Mr. Smith hails from; I imagine there several Bill Smith's around :D

The Bill Smith I was referring to is a former professional (and very accomplished) bronc rider, and now holds the WYO Horse sales http://wyohorses.com/index2.htm in Thermopolis, Wyoming. He has a nice battery of stallions for use on his mares, several of which go to Jackie Bee up close. I don't think any of them go back to Bully Bullion, though. I think the Bill Smith you're talking about is the one associated with the Espuela Cattle Company, that is (also) known for raising good ranch and rodeo horses.

Bully Bullion I've never used in my breeding program, and I haven't had much contact with anyone that has used that breeding intensively. So I'm sorry I can't help with any opinions formed from up-close experiences. But I do know he was a heck of a running horse, though, with a lot of thoroughbred blood and sure is pretty (was pretty? if he's still around, he must be pretty old by now); and I understand he sired quite a bit of speed and that his daughters are real speed producers. The pictures I've seen of him point to exactly what you mentioned about the way the line is built: stout, good-sized (not some of the 16.2 hand greyhound-narrow thoroughbred-looking "quarter" horses you sometimes see on the tracks now), and built to ride all day, while keeping the athleticism and speed of the short-distance thoroughbreds. I don't know what the disposition tends to be for the bloodline, but I imagine that with the number of successful barrel horses coming from him and his daughters, they're at least fairly tractable (if not better). From what little I know about him, I'd love to see what a son of Corona Cartel on a Bully Bullion daughter would throw as a stud, particularly when crossed on some working-bred mares.


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