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Postby Nicky » Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:19 pm

Remember my partnership horse question from awhile back? The other owners are coming next week and I want to get this settled. Since the consensus seemed to be that I should just get my money for training her...

How long do you think it takes to make a finished ranch horse? I have no idea how many hours I put on her. And I don't often ride outside horses, just train and sell our own. Maybe some of you who sell more horses than we do have a better idea, or maybe someone on here does ride outside horses.

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Postby leanin' H » Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:04 pm

It depends on how you define "finished"? I charge $300 a month for starting colts and try to get the horse's owner to give me 60 days. Some do and others say 30 days is enough. After 30 days a colt I start can be caught without a fight, trailer, yeild to leg cues, neck rein, stand for a trim and not get western when you swing a rope while a horseback. After 60 days they will drag weight on a rope, ground tie and a few other things they are "started" on as well as an increased level of preformance on all the 30 day items. To me a finished ranch horse would take a lot longer. It all depends on the horse. Good luck! :D
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Postby Justin » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:48 am

depends on what you call a finished ranch horse. it's damn sure not something that can be done in 60 days. could take years...
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Postby Nicky » Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:45 pm

When I was done with her she was pretty much bombproof. Anyone can ride her, works cows, wire, ropes...nothing bothers her etc. Definately not a 60 day wonder :wink: I just have to come up with a value for the work I put in her and I can't figure out how.

'H, you should charge more. I looked up trainers on the net and a guy in Ca. charges $600.00/mo for training and $550.00/mo for boarding :shock:

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Postby Northern Rancher » Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:29 pm

Ty charges $600 also. Definition of finished depends on the horse, the age you start them whose going to ride them after to some extent. A horse solid enough to compete on and win at rodeos on takes longer than a good using ranch horse. Sixty days inside an arena doesn't give them as much of a start as going out in the big wide world to see what's up.

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Postby MsSage » Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:37 pm

I dont sell nor do I train horses. I do have a couple of questions.
What amount would you feel you were taken advatage of?
What amount would you feel you were over paid?
Do you want to do work for these people again? Or have them recommend you to their friends?

Figure out what you feel your worth and charge that. Trust your heart.
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Postby Big Muddy rancher » Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:28 pm

Thia is what I said the last time"
Maybe the best you can do is tell her that you would like to settle up on that mare and tell to pay you what she figures is fair for your training. Bite the bullet and be happy with the outcome and use it as a "Learning experience" Confused
Just make sure you have it on paper what is to happen with anymore share colts.

I still stand by it. :D
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Postby BAR BAR 2 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:11 am

In our area a person can expect to pay $600 on the low end for starting colts or putting miles on them. Some guys are charging in the $800 range and they are staying busy. And these prices aren't confined to certain disciplines. Pretty much across the board.

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Postby loomixguy » Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:49 am

You could do like the 2 brothers who had a farming partnership here did.

When it came time to see who got the baler, they both wanted it. It was worth about $5,000, so the older brother said he's take $4,000 for his share of the baler or pay $1200 for his brother's half. The brother wrote him a check for the $4,000. :shock:

Seriously, what BMR said. Just get out. If your "friend" screws you, he/she really wasn't your friend, and they probably won't be your friend anymore. The bright side is, it will only cost what they screwed you out of to get them out of your life, forever. Cheap at twice the price.
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Postby CattleArmy » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:52 am

A guy I know gets $500 here to start a young horse.
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Postby leanin' H » Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:55 pm

Nicky wrote:When I was done with her she was pretty much bombproof. Anyone can ride her, works cows, wire, ropes...nothing bothers her etc. Definately not a 60 day wonder :wink: I just have to come up with a value for the work I put in her and I can't figure out how.

'H, you should charge more. I looked up trainers on the net and a guy in Ca. charges $600.00/mo for training and $550.00/mo for boarding :shock:


You have to be good to charge more! :wink: I havent rode a colt for a while. Probably about done doing it for others unless it's a friend or family. I never did it for the money. I did it because there are few feelings like the bonding that takes place as a horse learns to trust and learn and gains confidence. The pay comes from each moment, each time the horse teaches me something, each time i swing a leg over and we go for a ride. :D Who needs money.
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Postby Faster horses » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:15 pm

'H, I really like your attitude!!

Nicky, you are between a rock and a hard spot. It all hinges on
how important this friendship is. I hate surprises, I like things
spelled out at the beginning so there are no surprises; but you're
beyond that now.

How about coming up with what you really think the horse is
worth and if the other party doesn't like it, put the horse up for
sale and split the proceeds. That could be an option...

Whatever you decide, I hope you aren't disappointed in the outcome.
This is kind of one of those no-win situations. What you have done
with that horse is worth quite a bit of money. A horse standing
in the pasture with nothing done with it is cheap, cheap, cheap.
It's what the horse can DO that makes him have a value. I hope
your friend knows this, that will help.

Best of luck to you!
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