Ranchers.net Bull Session

Hey Tumbleweed

Stories and questions about our best friends.
User avatar
katrina
Rancher
Rancher
Posts: 8778
Joined: Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:32 pm
Location: East north east of Soapweed

Hey Tumbleweed

Postby katrina » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:01 am

I stumbled across a really nice stud kinda in your area. Would really cross well with your mares...

GC Thirty Thirty- Cooper- 2007 AQHA Stallion for sale! 3rd in AQHA Select World Show!

OUT OF GOLDEN GUNSLINGER!! Cooper was in Golden Gunslingers LAST FOAL CROP! His breeding fee at the time was $3500 and increasing! Ima Cool Skip, Kids Classic Style and Golden Gunslinger ON papers and on foals papers! Pedigree can be seen at: www.allbreedpedigree.com
...
... 15.2 hh and N/N. Bred/show/ trained (in hand; showmanship/halter) by Glenn Cantrel in Texas! Greenbroke under saddle- (walk, trot, lope) BEAUTIFUL stops! Quiet around mares (even in heat!)! Easy to handle! This stallion doesn't only have the looks but brains too! Great disposition and athletic! Will produce phenominal foals for reining, show, ranch work, all-around! Easy to bathe (even his head!), clip, trailer (slant and straight load) longe, tack up, and ride. He doesn't have any vices! Cooper is a wonderful stallion! Don't miss an oppertunity to own such a wonderful, once in a lifetime stallion!!

Located in Dillon, MT. Asking $3300 for this wonderful boy!

(907)299-7474
Don't sweat the small stuff.

User avatar
tumbleweed_texn
Member
Member
Posts: 255
Joined: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:09 pm
Location: Among the sagebrush and greasewood.

Postby tumbleweed_texn » Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:48 am

Thanks for thinking of me Katrina, but he is alot different than what I've been thinking on. It took a little work and alot of luck to get where we are with our mares. The stud we have actually belongs to a friend of mine down in Texas. If the price had'nt been right(free), I would'nt have a yaller stud. I know lotsa folks like palominos and duns, but that is about my least favorite colors on a horse.

And yes, I know color should'nt matter. It does though, atleast to me. When a person goes to buy a new truck they don't tell the dealer what all options they want and then say whatever color they have it in is ok. No, they want specific options and their chosen color. Don't get me wrong, these yaller colts will sell good. I hope. Personally though, I like a good stout roan.

The Hostile Native is'nt crazy about my idea, but I think it will give me exactly what I want and need for big circle type horses. I have been keeping my eyes peeled for a Hancock, Blue Valentine with maybe a splash of Driftwood. We are going to sell a couple of the mares we have and when she finds the type of Thoroughbreds she likes we will throw them out. She was raised on TB's and now she has me liking them. We already have a couple of nice TB mares and I really like their colts for what I need. I will still have a couple of QH mares around, but I really like those type horses that can make a 30 mile trip and still have a little gas left at the end of the day. Also, she is wanting me to raise something that she can start chariot racing with.

I realize that my choice of bloodlines aint most folks first choice, but that is what I have been working towards. Another year or two and I should be there. I want the black feet, stout leg, good withers and lung capacity to actually do something. Hopefully I can go back to how a good Quarter Horse and ranch horse is supposed to be. I'm not too big of a fan of where the QH industry is today. They have a horse for every event, but in my opinion they have forsaken the horse that got them started. And hopefully at the end of the day I will have my favorite color to look at too.

Tex
Re-elect NoOne in 2012!!!

LazyWP
Rancher
Rancher
Posts: 1701
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:25 pm
Contact:

Postby LazyWP » Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:24 am

I like what you are trying to do, and would be interested in a colt, as long as someone else starts it. We haven't had too much luck starting Hancock horses.

User avatar
Faster horses
Rancher
Rancher
Posts: 27778
Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:21 pm
Location: SE MT

Postby Faster horses » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:46 am

Hey Tex. You want Hancock bloodlines with a dash of Driftwood thrown in?
I'm gonna tell you a little story, even though I know it won't change your
mind. Years ago a fella brought a Driftwood stallion into the country and
bred a lot of mares. That stud was pretty strong genetic wise, the colts
all pretty much looked the same. They acted the same too, and most
people couldn't get along with them and a friend of ours over the years,
wound up with most of them as he was horseman enough to get
along with them, plus he had the riding for them.
Of course he rode a lot of Hancock bred horses too, of which he says
the Hancocks are tough, but not very smart and tend to be broncy.
For what he does, he
really likes the Driftwood horses, but they aren't for everyone.

Fast forward to about 2007. Another friend of ours who breeds and sells
horses at an annual productions sale, called because he had bought
a Driftwood/Hancock young blue roan stallion and he wondered how
he would be disposition wise. We didn't know for sure, although we
had a good idea....but I told him we knew someone that had worked
with both those bloodlines. I called the friend in the prior paragraph
and told him what was going on and asked his opinion of crossing
those two bloodlines. He hesitated and then said, "Well, it could be
okay, but it most likely will be.................lethal."

I passed the info along and the breeder listened well. He called back
in about a month and I can't remember exactly what he did with the
young stallion, he either cut him or sold him--I think he may have
done both, but not sure, because he found out himself about crossing
Driftwood with Hancock.

As much as someone likes a lineage of a horse, if you are breeding
them to sell, you must remember that gentle is a pretty color. :D

These days and in this part of the country, most people don't need
a horse that can cover 30 miles. If they have to do that, they usually
use something with a motor. :wink: It's kinda too bad, but that's
reality.

Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
:P :D
"All the Democrats know how to do is lie and “forget.”--Trey Gowdy

User avatar
tumbleweed_texn
Member
Member
Posts: 255
Joined: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:09 pm
Location: Among the sagebrush and greasewood.

Postby tumbleweed_texn » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:54 am

Thanks Lazy WP. If I dont find the right stud it will definetly not be for the fainthearted. I am very very patient though. I know of three different places where I may be able to find a good prospect. The Hostile Native knows TB bloodlines inside and out, so I leave that to her.

Her dad raced horses when he was still alive and she grew up using TB for ranchwork. Having little knowledge of them myself, she has guided a couple of purchases for me and I've been well pleased. Eventhough I could justify a little smaller type horse after my back injury, I just cant get my head around a little fined boned 1050 horse. I see people riding those things and it seems they are always behind or having to switch horses. Alot of times swapping horses just aint possible.

Tex
Re-elect NoOne in 2012!!!

User avatar
tumbleweed_texn
Member
Member
Posts: 255
Joined: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:09 pm
Location: Among the sagebrush and greasewood.

Postby tumbleweed_texn » Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:11 am

I hear ya FH, but your right, my mind ain't changing. I have always liked a certain type and that's probably not gonna change. Before I got hurt a 30 mile circle was common. Now that I'm back to feeling good I'm ready to go.

The reason people nowadays don't like those Hancock type horses anymore is because folks have got a tad bit lazy and dont ride like they used to. You are right FH, if they have to make a big circle they end up using something with a motor. That's too bad too and the horse industry is worse off for it.

I have found that a little broncy and hardheaded are good traits for horses as well as women. :D Atleast a guy knows that if he's man enough, he'll still be mounted good at the end of the day. Flashy women and flashy horses usually leave ya stranded on the backside of nowhere. That is fact.

Tex
Re-elect NoOne in 2012!!!

User avatar
Faster horses
Rancher
Rancher
Posts: 27778
Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:21 pm
Location: SE MT

Postby Faster horses » Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:45 am

I had an old guy tell me way back in the 60's that the only
thing wrong with a Thoroughbred was if a horse didn't have
any of it in him... :D I know horses with some throughbred
tended to have good withers and that's getting harder and harder
to find. And it's way imporant for us; just don't like the
mutton-withered horses.

I totally understand what and why you like the type of
horse that you posted about. The only thing wrong is when
you go to sell them you will find some resistance, I'm afraid.

Hard-headness might be a nice trait in horses or women,
but not in men. :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :gag:

(the devil made me do it) :P :wink:
"All the Democrats know how to do is lie and “forget.”--Trey Gowdy

User avatar
tumbleweed_texn
Member
Member
Posts: 255
Joined: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:09 pm
Location: Among the sagebrush and greasewood.

Postby tumbleweed_texn » Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:30 am

I agree to a point FH. The whole reason that we raise horses, and for most other ranchers as well, is to always have the type of horse we as individuals like. If I cant sell a nice looking, go allday type horse wrapped up in a pretty roan wrapper, I can always skin him and sell a real pretty rug. I dont see that happening though. Heck, Lazy WP has already said he would be interested in one. There's a market, it just isnt the mainstream market that most folks think of. There is always a market for a well built, fast, tough and pretty horse. I want to raise the type that I like to use.

Tex
Re-elect NoOne in 2012!!!

LazyWP
Rancher
Rancher
Posts: 1701
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:25 pm
Contact:

Postby LazyWP » Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:24 pm

We have been talking, here about buying a TB mare, but if you are going to breed and raise what we want, I'll just buy from you. :D

I don't ride real big circles, but there are days when I am sure I ride over 30 miles a day, a couple times this spring. I am riding a 6 year old, running quaterhorse, and he does ok on the long rides.

User avatar
leanin' H
Rancher
Rancher
Posts: 5759
Joined: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:33 pm
Location: Western Utah Desert

Postby leanin' H » Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:17 pm

Those 25-30 mile circles are quite common out here and in the great basin. If you still have some horse left under you at the days end, it always is a good thing and a horse to keep around awhile. I like a horse that keeps your attention and has enough athletic ability to do whatever you need to do. If that keeps your toes light in the stirrup so be it. To me, that is much better than a pony that quits on ya or is useless towards 5pm. Lots of horses simply need lots of wet saddle blankets and it's amazing what their potential is! :D I won't keep a mean, man hurting idiot around. But i'd rather have a horse with plenty of spirit and try, even if that means i gotta top the kinks out of them come a morning. :D That's my story and i'm stickin' to it! :wink: When you have a nice bunch of two year olds coming up Tumbleweedtexan, give me a whistle. I'd love to try a nice gelding and color doesn't worry me unless it is solid white. Only good guys get to ride a white horse! :shock: :???: :lol: :lol:
A poor ride beats a great walk any day!
<Parry Taylor>

User avatar
tumbleweed_texn
Member
Member
Posts: 255
Joined: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:09 pm
Location: Among the sagebrush and greasewood.

Postby tumbleweed_texn » Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:33 pm

H, you are a man after my own heart. LOL. You're right, a mean or man killin horse just needs put down in my opinion. On the other hand, a person can't expect a horse that is bred for a big circle to start the day out meek and timid. They may be few and far between, but there are still people out there that appreciate a good stout and tough horse. If things work out and I can do what Im wanting, Leanin H and Lazy WP will have some colts to look at in about 3 years.

FH, not to be persnickety or anything, but Im not even there yet and already have two guys interested in what I wanna do. 'Course they prolly aint no smarter than me and misery obviously loves company.

We have a TB mare here that absolutely refused to get bred and I was at my wits end. Before we got our current stud I had a couple mares and with no stud, they were'nt earning their keep. Those of you who follow rodeo and buckin horses will have heard of Burch Rodeo. They usually have a few horses in the NFR each year. Now is when I miss Cory. He and I would talk buckin horses alot. Anyhow, I needed a stud and I wanted this TB mare stuck. Max Burch gave me my choice outta their 3 and 4 year old colts a couple years ago provided I broke it. I did and now I have a 16'3 hd 1600 lb horse to ride. Got off track again. LOL. This colt I got though is pretty nice and I was curious about his sire. His dam has been to the NFR (Moon River). Max Burch told me the sire was pretty nice and if I wanted I could come and get him for the mares we had. I put him on the two we had and got two nice colts. That stud is nice and stout and way nice to be around. One of the colts was a filly and she's done been sold. I have one yearling palomino horse colt though that has me looking forward to next year. He is getting altered later this week though and hopefully he will have a nice outlook.

Most people fail to realize that the type of horses that are used in rodeos today are the very same type that were used for ranches in this part of the country not to long ago. The way they turn out as saddle horses has alot to do with how they are started. Mo Forbes used to gather his buckin stock in Kaycee, Wy and then he would pick one out and saddle it. Then he would drive the rest over the Bighorns to the Ten Sleep Rodeo. After the rodeo he would saddle another one and drive them home. Max Burch's dad would saddle the same type horse in the morning at Oshoto, Wy and be in Alzada, Mt for supper. Where he was going up there was about a 70mile ride. I cant do that, nor do I want to, but that goes to show the difference in the quality of horses from then to now. I am honestly not a big fan of today's QH. With all of the different events and disciplines, I think they have got too far away from what they were meant to be. Used to, the cowboys didnt load their horses in a trailer to get where they were going. They rode them and they had better horses for it.

Tex
Re-elect NoOne in 2012!!!

User avatar
Faster horses
Rancher
Rancher
Posts: 27778
Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:21 pm
Location: SE MT

Postby Faster horses » Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:15 pm

FH, not to be persnickety or anything, but Im not even there yet and already have two guys interested in what I wanna do. 'Course they prolly aint no smarter than me and misery obviously loves company.



Glad I could help ya out, Tex. :lol: :lol: :lol:
It was my pleasure.

And I know you know, I've been around those guys that
ride that far, and was part of that kind of trip when we
lived on the Powder River in Wyoming. I didn't mean NOBODY
would want them. Sorry if you thought that.

Heck, some people don't want a horse to ride, they want
one to play with... :D
"All the Democrats know how to do is lie and “forget.”--Trey Gowdy


Return to “Horses & Dogs”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 12 guests

cron