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Postby burnt » Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:05 am

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On this date in 1582, the Duke of Alva dies. He was sent to the Netherlands by the King of Spain to squelch the growing Reformation movement, killing hundreds, if not thousands, for being suspected of "heresy".

Also, in 1189 King Richard the Lion Hearted leaves to retake Jerusalem from the Muslims.

Closer to home, "December 12, 1712: The colony of South Carolina requires "all persons whatsoever" to attend church each Sunday and refrain from skilled labor and travel. Violators of the "Sunday Law" could be fined 10 shillings or locked in the stocks for two hours."

On Dec. 13, 37, Nero, future Emperor of Rome was born. Nero later did all he could to kill the new Christian movement and only succeeded in spreading it further with his violent persecution. Thus, the church grew.

Nero stands in strong contrast to the Emperor Constantine who 300 years later made Christianity the state religion. He made it compulsory to be a "Christian" to be in the army. Christianity became weak, watered down and sickly as a result.

So does the truth faith grow stronger in times of trouble or times of peace and prosperity? At which end of a sword does the Kingdom grow?

"December 18, 1865: Slavery is abolished in the United States as the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution is ratified. . .
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Postby per » Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:05 am

That is mighty interesting stuff Burnt. It is especially worth noting that the church grows under prosecution and shrinks when it is mandatory. Not much opposition in North America makes one wonder if that is why there is so much complacency with the church here.

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Postby burnt » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:43 am

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December 21st, 1620 is a date that holds great significance to Americans!?

The 21st of this week in 1807 marks the death of John Newton, the man who wrote the hymn "Amazing Grace". John had been a hard-living man who indeed recognized the inestimable scope of God's grace.

Also this week in 1576, a prominent church leader protests the Queen's decree that his ministers sermons are too frequent . . .

. . . and far too many examples of people killing other people in the name of Christ - what is it about the Angel's Message that was missed back then and that we still we don't get today "peace on earth, goodwill toward men"?

And on Christmas Eve in 1818, Hans Gruber composes one of my all-time favorite Christmas hymns in St. Nicholas Church of Oberndorf, Austria - "Silent Night".

"Silent night, Holy night, Son of GOD!
Loves pure light radiant beams from thy Holy face,
with the dawn of redeeming grace,
Jesus, Lord, at thy birth,
Jesus, Lord, at thy birth".

What powerful imagery Gruber projects in that verse!

And much more about the "unstraight" road to our present day faith base.

I get too wordy here maybe, but when I look at the "unstraight" road that marks the progression of the Christian faith through the ages and how the Living Word still moves and works in the lives of people today, it shows me that the work of the Almighty God has much more to do with His plans and power than it has to do with our feeble and often misguided efforts.

Yet, he welcomes our response and participation in His work! What a God we serve!

Have a Blessed Christmas, everyone!
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Postby burnt » Sun Dec 26, 2010 6:52 am

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This week's glimpse into our past tells us of a historic, destroyed saloon in Kansas, the birth (Whitfield in England) or beginnings (Finney in the US) of several great evangelists and the origin of several popular hymns.

And the commemoration of the passing of a man that greatly affected many of us today:

"December 31, 1384: John Wycliffe, pre-Reformer who initiated the first complete translation of the Bible into English and influenced Hus, Luther and Calvin, dies at about 64. He was condemned at the council of Constance (1415), . . ."

Little did John Wycliffe know that his work of translating the Bible into English would have a dramatic impact on the future of the church. Today, Wycliffe ministries are still translating the Bible into the languages of many indigenous peoples as they are discovered all across the world!

Today millions of people have the Christmas message available to them in their own language because of the dedication of a few people in the distant past, as noted in today's peek into Christian history. What legacy are you and I leaving for the faith? A little effort can produce great results for the Kingdom!
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Postby TexasBred » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:53 am

Very poor translations and 99% of the people could not read anyway.
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Postby burnt » Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:33 am

TexasBred wrote:Very poor translations and 99% of the people could not read anyway.


After thinking about this for a while, it would be interesting to hear you expand on your comment.
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Postby MsSage » Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:20 am

TexasBred wrote:Very poor translations and 99% of the people could not read anyway.

How much of the "poor translations" were Kings furthering thier agenda?
Look at the belief women are subserveant to men. That is NOT what God had in mind. Yes man is the head of the house and has the final word in what happens BUT man is suppose to put those in his houshold before himself the way Jesus put "the church" ahead of himself.

It was explained to me by someone who had spent many years studing the bible text in the original language.
If the husband puts the wife above all and the wife puts her husband above all then each will be working together and for the best of thier family.

Jesus had many women who he went to for council on many different issues. He even said women are the heart of the church. He never said women should NOT have leadership roles. Why would he when he had them in leadership roles?

Man ( I mean man/woman) has warped the word of God to fit his agenda.
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Postby TexasBred » Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:35 am

Ms Sage there have been none of the "original" manuscripts available for hundreds of years. There are copies of copies of copies available. But I agree that men and women are absolutely evil. I don't find anything in sacred scripture, history or tradition where women were leaders of congregations etc. They are some extrabiblical writings that give credence to them in lesser roles within the church must never in the magesterium. And you'll have to remind the of the parts where Jesus sought council from the women of that day.
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Postby TexasBred » Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:38 am

TexasBred wrote:Ms Sage there have been none of the "original" manuscripts available for hundreds of years. There are copies of copies of copies available. But I agree that men and women are absolutely equal. I don't find anything in sacred scripture, history or tradition where women were leaders of congregations etc. They are some extrabiblical writings that give credence to them in lesser roles within the church must never in the magesterium. And you'll have to remind the of the parts where Jesus sought council from the women of that day. He did in his teachings often use women as examples.


Edited to replace "evil' with "equal". :oops:
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Postby burnt » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:49 pm

Well, it is discussions like this that illustrate the value of the translation of the Bible!

There was a time when the common people had to accept the word of those "learned" in the Scripture, because only those with learning could read the language(s) of the written text - Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek - (that I know of). The original texts (which were lost fairly quickly, as TB pointed out) were written and rewritten in the common language (the "working class" lingo) and centuries later translated into the language of the day. But as TexasBred pointed out, literacy levels were not high.

Thus, today, any ignorance of matters of Scripture is a personal choice.

And there were indeed many instances of the intent of the written Word being twisted by broadly accepted and misguided cultural ideals. MsSage gave the well-known, well-abused example of order in the home and church.

Having grown up and spending too many years in a very conservative church setting, I can testify first-hand about the damage that type of teaching can do.

A careful reading of how the early church handled gender issues would surprise many, if not most people. And my reading of it would show that there is room, indeed necessity, to recognize that we are called to serve in the Body as He has gifted us. Yet, He has also set in our very created form (Genesis account) an order which is not without reason. Ignoring it results in a rather chaotic outcome.

But hey, don't take my word for it - go look it up and study it yourself. Life will be the better for it.

Thanks to John Wycliffe and his early attempts at translation . . . and the work of the Life-giving Spirit, we can hear what the Creator has to say.
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Postby balestabber » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:38 am

back in the eighties,and i was a new Christian with lots of growing ahead of me,a man come thru springfield,mo and visited the Church i was attending.i can not remember his name.

but he was suppose to be the largest collector of old Bibles and Scrolls in the world.i remember the Church standing guard 24 hours while he was there and that he was searching for a museum for his private collection at that time.

he had a scroll,he claimed was written on sheeps skin.
and some pieces of stone with biblical scripture,alot of it he claimed to be authentic,
it was very interesting and sure made a believer out of me at that time.

he opened the scroll of sheeps skin for all to see,but it was hard to translate.

just thought i'd share,interesting thread.

thanks burnt

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Postby burnt » Sun Jan 02, 2011 7:58 am

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Today is the anniversary of the first Christian broadcast over the airwaves . . .

Luther becomes an "outcast" . . .

A minister is born, gives his life to serving lepers . . .

J.R.R.Tolkien is born this week in 1892, later he pens several of my favorite books - the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy, "The Silmarillion" and more.
(The Silmarillion I would recommend to anyone who enjoyed LOTR.)

"January 5, 1527: Swiss Anabaptist reformer Felix Manz is drowned in punishment for preaching adult baptism, becoming the first Protestant martyred by other Protestants". Manz and others formed the base of my own Anabaptist background. His teaching of peace rather than resisting evil is something that must be learned and is not inherited, I have discovered. :?

Joan of Arc is born hereabouts . . .

Just a lot of interesting stuff in this weeks look at Christian History.

Anything that you can relate to directly or indirectly?
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