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Postby lazy ace » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:43 pm

http://www.heritageplace.com/annoucemen ... tage-sale/

We have been watching off and on but missed this one sell. It would be fun to watch some of these horses sell.

have a good one


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Postby Faster horses » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:57 pm

Wow!! If I owned her, I'd sell her for that too!! :wink:

Thanks for the link! It would be fun to watch that sale. I always like it
when good horses bring good money!
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Postby Hayguy » Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:01 am

i guess it depend's on whether your buyin' or sellin' :wink:

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Postby Shortgrass » Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:47 pm

Wow, someone had more dollars than sense.

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Postby Chimenea » Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:11 am

Actually, Katrina, the owner didn't have much of a choice about selling her :wink: -- the filly was seized by the U.S. Marshals as part of the drug laundering sting in which the brother of the No. 2 ranking individual of the Zetas drug cartel was indicted.

The filly has an awfully good pedigree: she is by Mr Jess Perry, obviously, who has had a whole heck of a lot of success as a sire of running quarter horses and is rumored to now be sterile -- there won't be too many more Mr Jess Perrys hitting the ground in the next few years (just what they can manage to produce with whatever frozen semen is left). More importantly (to me) though, the filly is a maternal sister to Corona Cartel, who (I think) is now trailing only First Down Dash on the list of all-time leading sire of racing quarter horses. And personally, I like Corona Cartel better than Mr Jess Perry as a sire: Corona Cartel foals tend to be prettier, stouter, better conformed, and have better early speed than the Jess Perrys. And the cross of both stallions has been pretty good at producing fast horses. Plus (getting back to the filly....) she's young. If she produces breeding horses anything at all like her dam could, she'll be well worth the money (insanely high as the sales amount was).

I've sure enjoyed thinking about what that mare might produce in coming years :shock: :D

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Postby lazy ace » Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:29 pm

I like your analysis on the racing stallions. What are your thoughts of One famous Eagle and Captain Courage? TTB and I were just thinking in our neck of the woods it seems people are looking for that next Frenchman's Guy in the barrel world.

There is a few cutting studs down at the four sixes, would they cross with a runner and make an athlete with speed.

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Postby Chimenea » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:04 pm

lazy ace wrote:I like your analysis on the racing stallions. What are your thoughts of One famous Eagle and Captain Courage? TTB and I were just thinking in our neck of the woods it seems people are looking for that next Frenchman's Guy in the barrel world.

There is a few cutting studs down at the four sixes, would they cross with a runner and make an athlete with speed.

thanks


Oh, yeah! The Sixes are doing really nifty stuff with some of their crosses. They have those really good ranch and cow type horses and also stand some great runners; they are crossing the two bloodlines and getting neat horses out of it. They just had their Return to the Remuda sale last month, and their catalog was some serious eye candy. Had a gray stud by Stoli out of a really well bred working mare (Sugar Bars and Quick Henry) that looks like a heck of a horse; a daughter of Mr Jess Perry and out of a Tanquery Gin bred mare that I would certainly have liked to add to our broodmare band; and a bunch more. The catalog is still up at http://www.6666ranch.com/assets/files/RTTR2012/2012RTTRCatalogWeb091312s.pdf if you want to take a look at it.


Captain Courage is a nice horse. He's a full brother to the million dollar filly we were just talking about, and at $2500 is priced fairly reasonably (though I wouldn't say he's cheap.... it's still a lot of money to have in a colt before he hits the ground). One Famous Eagle has already put both an All American Futurity winner and a halter point winner on the ground. He was more successful as a runner and has been more successful as a sire than Captain Courage. They're both nice horses. One Famous Eagle I think is on the pricey side for experimenting with a cross on a working type mare and for most barrel racers, and it will probably be left to his get to prove themselves as barrel producers. But because the Sixes can use those horses on their mares for a lot less money than the public can, a fellow looking for a good barrel sire prospect might be able to pick one up as a weanling or a yearling from the Sixes for less money than it would take to make one with an in-house mare.

Their working bred horses are awfully nice, too. If I had to pick one to put on a speed bred mare, I'd breed to Four Roan Fly or Sixes Pick; they have a lot more size, substance, and pretty to cross on a more thoroughbredy type mare (unless a fellow can find a Corona Cartel mare to lease :D ). And depending on the mare, I think the Playboys Buck Fever, PG Gunpowder, and Waresthecat might be a lot of fun to experiment with, though the High Brow Cat horses have a reputation for being fairly high strung. The buckskin horse, though, to hear the folks at the Sixes tell it, has a disposition like a gelding and passes that on to his babies. Still, though, I think it'd take a certain type of mare to cross right on him -- something with a lot of size and refinement.

But back to the speed sires. The horse I really like, actually, and to which I think we'll try to breed a mare or two next year, is a horse called Ive Done Did It. (http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ive+done+did+it) He's owned by Celina Molina, the lady that owns (well, syndicated, but kept the majority of the shares...) Corona Cartel. He's by Corona Cartel and out of a three time Champion Running mare named See Me Do It. He's the only son of Corona Cartel she's kept back for just herself (without partners). That tells me something right off the bat. :D

Anyway, the horse didn't have much of a chance to run since he got hurt and the corrective surgery went poorly. So rather than risk crippling him, Celina just decided to retire him and stand him at stud. Because of this, she's offering the breedings at what is flat out cheap for a horse with his breeding: $1000. I've seen the horse in person, and every time I look at him, I like him better. He's about 15.2, balanced really well, is as gentle as a gelding, has a lot more width and substance than either of the two Mr Jess Perry studs we were just talking about, and is flat out pretty. And I am a sucker for a stud horse that has a really good mother, and whose sire also has a really good mother. If you'd like to take a peek at what he looks like, I've got some pictures of him here: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.465116460177083.101197.374708135884583&type=1&l=92a77191f6

If a fellow were to be on the lookout for a horse that has the potential to be the next big deal as a rodeo sire, I'd sure be pointing that fellow at this horse as an option to consider. Honestly I'd rather breed two of my mares to him than one to Captain Courage (or eight to him rather than one to One Famous Eagle). He's built for short speed, stout enough to be a head horse, has the right attitude, and is pretty enough to throw a halter point earner if you cross him on the right mare. And until he proves himself as a sire (which I'm fairly confident he'll do as soon as two or three of his foal crops are running on the track or competing in the rodeo arena), he'll be priced low enough to be able to outcross on some really good mares that aren't necessarily bred to run. Will he sire better rodeo or ranch horses than the others? I don't know. But he's more my type of horse than either of the two Jess Perrys, who more thoroughbredy. So he's my pick of the studs I've seen and heard about as an outcross on working mares to get good using horses with serious speed.

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Postby Faster horses » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:46 pm

He sure is a pretty rascal. From the pictures the only place I could fault him as a using horse sire, is that he seems to be fairly hound-gutted.

Thanks for the low-down on those horses, it was very interesting.
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Postby Chimenea » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:26 pm

Faster horses wrote:He sure is a pretty rascal. From the pictures the only place I could fault him as a using horse sire, is that he seems to be fairly hound-gutted.

Thanks for the low-down on those horses, it was very interesting.


Hi FH! Not familiar with the term hound-gutted. What does that mean?

I can say this about the pictures: I didn't take them :D

Actually, I'll tell you a little story about the pictures of this horse. My first look at him was early this spring, in person and, though he was underweight and breeding mares, I was really well impressed; when I saw pictures of him a couple of months later, something didn't look right, and he wasn't nearly as good as I remembered him. So I went out to see him again and I couldn't help the feeling that he was a lot better in person than he was in the photos; his back and loins just looked a lot weaker in the photos than what I was seeing in person, and his legs and neck just didn't reflect what I saw at the barn. So I liked him a lot better, but seeing the pictures kept bothering me that maybe I wasn't seeing something in person. So I went out again about a month ago (and he looked really, really good) and they were shooting some pictures of him, and when I saw them taking the pictures, I finally figured out why I wasn't liking his photos: the girl taking the photos (a young amateur photographer) was taking the photos from up close and while standing straight up. And when I saw the pictures a couple days later, I saw it all over again. But having the memory so fresh in my mind from the photo shoot, I finally made the correlation between the shooting angle and the conformation deficiencies that kept showing up in the photos but that just didn't jump out at me in such a drastic manner when I was seeing him in person. So I suggested to the owner that the next time she has the photographer out, she change the shooting angle, with the photographer further away and the camera at about the horse's elbow level. She's having a photo shoot tomorrow, so I'll keep you posted regarding the new photos. Hopefully they'll show him more true to what I see in person than some of these photos.

Catch you again soon!

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Postby Faster horses » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:36 pm

Hound-gutted could be best described by narrow in the flank to the top
of the back (or loin). In using horses that can make them gaunt up faster
than a horse that is fuller in the flank. Race horses tend to have that
hound-gut moreso than other types of horses (and for a reason). But since
this horse isn't being raced, I think he could be fuller in that area.
But that's just me...

I just googled it and found this:

The term hound-gutted refers to a horse (usually) that has a relatively slim waist. In other words it has a high flank. Like a Grey hound dog.
It is not considered to be an admirable quality.
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Postby gcreekrch » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:07 am

Faster horses wrote:Hound-gutted could be best described by narrow in the flank to the top
of the back (or loin). In using horses that can make them gaunt up faster
than a horse that is fuller in the flank. Race horses tend to have that
hound-gut moreso than other types of horses (and for a reason). But since
this horse isn't being raced, I think he could be fuller in that area.
But that's just me...

I just googled it and found this:

The term hound-gutted refers to a horse (usually) that has a relatively slim waist. In other words it has a high flank. Like a Grey hound dog.
It is not considered to be an admirable quality.


I like my term better. :wink:
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Postby Faster horses » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:01 am

Ok, what was your term? :D
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