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Postby m5farm » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:25 am

We were relatively unscathed from IRMA , I will say I have never seen winter in September but that's what we had the last few days , For me it was hard down cold in the 50's, 40mph winds constantly and rain, we had some 75mph gust at times which is what I attribute to the trees down on some fences. One had the top broken out and fell on a barb wire fence broke 2 stands and the other 3 will have to be retightened one tree 20" dia trunk was sheared off about 6' above the ground fell on my HT fence after cutting it sprang back up to original and good as new . I wish I had HT around every field . so easy to work with

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Re: Fences

Postby m5farm » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:44 pm

getting people to talk around here is like pushing a rope

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Re: Fences

Postby Silver » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:44 pm

Well, I was going to mention that when the last HT wire was take down around here I breathed I huge sigh of relief..... but I tend to get people riled up around here awful easy with my opinions so thought I'd let it pass lol.
I just got in from finishing up 3/4 of a mile of brand new barbed wire fence after tearing out the old stuff and re clearing the trees. If this one lasts as long as the last one did it won't be me replacing it!

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Postby m5farm » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:06 pm

Silver wrote:Well, I was going to mention that when the last HT wire was take down around here I breathed I huge sigh of relief..... but I tend to get people riled up around here awful easy with my opinions so thought I'd let it pass lol.
I just got in from finishing up 3/4 of a mile of brand new barbed wire fence after tearing out the old stuff and re clearing the trees. If this one lasts as long as the last one did it won't be me replacing it!



Whats your aversion to HT , Its cheaper easier to work with and with the trees we have in the South its so much easier to repair when damage is done. I have one place complete and starting on other fences that the web wire is nearing 50 yrs old

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Re: Fences

Postby highgrit » Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:40 pm

We worked all day on fence, I hate barbed wire. Ruined 4 insulators on the HT, and spliced the barbed wire in 10+ places. The HT took about 15 minutes, the barbed wire about 6 hours.

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Re: Fences

Postby Silver » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:57 pm

m5farm wrote:
Silver wrote:Well, I was going to mention that when the last HT wire was take down around here I breathed I huge sigh of relief..... but I tend to get people riled up around here awful easy with my opinions so thought I'd let it pass lol.
I just got in from finishing up 3/4 of a mile of brand new barbed wire fence after tearing out the old stuff and re clearing the trees. If this one lasts as long as the last one did it won't be me replacing it!



Whats your aversion to HT , Its cheaper easier to work with and with the trees we have in the South its so much easier to repair when damage is done. I have one place complete and starting on other fences that the web wire is nearing 50 yrs old


Are you talking HT barbed wire or HT smooth wire with electricity? In my experience HT with barbs is a horrible wire to work with. Hard to work with, and when trees come down on it the barbs still catch on the staples and things break. Smooth wire is a great way to teach cattle to craw fences, and trees and brush grow so fast here you can't make a good electric fence out of it. Even if you can, one break in the wire and the fence is down or at least very loose for a few hundred yards and the cows are gone. I've seen HT wire work to great effect in the right spots with great care given to ensuring the electricity is flowing and the fence is up but it's a lot more fence checking than I can handle.
Fences look like this in no time around here:

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Re: Fences

Postby redrobin » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:06 am

I love ht fixed knot from stay tuff in a web wire. I'm with silver on the rest. There won't be anymore here

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Re: Fences

Postby 4Diamond » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:29 am

1 strand electric ht fence makes good pasture division on cow calf operation here. Cows train to it very quickly in my experience. Goes up quick and if something happens it fixes quickly.

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Re: Fences

Postby George » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:59 am

4Diamond wrote:1 strand electric ht fence makes good pasture division on cow calf operation here. Cows train to it very quickly in my experience. Goes up quick and if something happens it fixes quickly.


Buy the biggest charger you can afford - - - when the torhado came thru hear about 8 years ago I was so busy with the house and barns it took me 2 weeks to check fence.

The pasture the cows were in had a 2 strand hi tensil with power - - - fallen trees had about 100' of it flat on the ground and not a single cow crossed it!

My charger says it will charge 150 miles of moderatly weedy fence - - - I have about 5 miles counting all the cross fences all within 3/4 of a mile of the charger - - - it is supposed to have 12 1/2 jules of power.

I was having a problem as my tester woulf not read above 3,000 volts at the back of the farm so as in the directions I added another ground rod about 10 feet from the first - - - 5,000 volts at the back - - - added a third ground rod 10 feet the other direction and get 8,000 volts to the back.

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Re: Fences

Postby m5farm » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:00 am

5 strands HT smooth hot wire is what Im talking about , You only need post every 50ft . while it does require some checking if your in wooded areas it is so much easier to work with. I use 1 strand elec tape or rope for pasture divisions or to create temp lanes they respect it very well

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Re: Fences

Postby m5farm » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:05 am

George wrote:
4Diamond wrote:1 strand electric ht fence makes good pasture division on cow calf operation here. Cows train to it very quickly in my experience. Goes up quick and if something happens it fixes quickly.


Buy the biggest charger you can afford - - - when the torhado came thru hear about 8 years ago I was so busy with the house and barns it took me 2 weeks to check fence.

The pasture the cows were in had a 2 strand hi tensil with power - - - fallen trees had about 100' of it flat on the ground and not a single cow crossed it!

My charger says it will charge 150 miles of moderatly weedy fence - - - I have about 5 miles counting all the cross fences all within 3/4 of a mile of the charger - - - it is supposed to have 12 1/2 jules of power.

I was having a problem as my tester woulf not read above 3,000 volts at the back of the farm so as in the directions I added another ground rod about 10 feet from the first - - - 5,000 volts at the back - - - added a third ground rod 10 feet the other direction and get 8,000 volts to the back.

A good charger and good grounds will make cows, horses, pigs very respective!


I like a ground rod on every straight run. I use old power poles at gates and terminations and they all come with old ground wire on them . I always make a little coil of it and staple to the bottom of the post and connect to bottom ground wire , even with 5 wires mashed in the ground the other day I still had 1500 volts

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Re: Fences

Postby RSL » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:05 am

We use a lot of electric fence here. I prefer it to barb wire as we find the maintenance less and the installation cost much lower. single wire paddock seperations and hot/ground/hot three wire for perimeter fence. With modern fencers, lots of ground rods, remote control fault finders, etc. it is pretty nice to work with. The new wire seems easier to work with than the stuff from 30 years ago too. Even the new in-line tighteners are improved over the old ratchet style.
We use a, 18J solar setup at Meadow Lake, a 36J 110V around home, a 6J, a 9J and a 2J in various other applications. We even use electric fence (4 or 5 strand) for holding corrals outside of our working system.
For us it has come about because land prices dictate that we need to create better production. With electric fence and rotation we are improving things, leaving more grass behind and have upped our stocking rate significantly. We use it for winter grazing, backgrounding calves on bale grazing and pretty much everything else. The best part is that if you leave your fencer on the hunters and quadders don't cut your fence.
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