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Garlic to control flies?

Post by Faster horses » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:30 am

We have mineral in our product line that contains cinnamon and garlic. We have been asked about garlic controlling flies,
as that seems to be the chatter out there. There has been no research to support this that I can find, so I can't say that it does. We have one customer that has used it for a few years now, likes what it does for weaning weight, but he hasn't noticed any difference in fly load, but he also says the flies last summer were really bad regardless of what was used.

So then I came across this article and would appreciate your thoughts. It is the only thing I can find that talks about
garlic controlling flies. That product smells so bad, I'm suprised anything would eat it. Maybe that's why the control
cattle stayed within the recommended consumption levels, because any of you that feed mineral know that cattle eat it in
peaks and valleys. The first rule of mineral is "Quality and Quantity of forage dictates mineral consumption". That's why
when you move cattle to a fresh pasture, they back off the mineral.
This mixture wasn't really in mineral, but in salt and hand mixed.

https://www.canadiancattlemen.ca/2017/0 ... y-control/


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Re: Garlic to control flies?

Post by Big Muddy rancher » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:59 am

I used the CinnaGar from Vigortone at least one year. I was trying it to see if the cattle would eat mineral better on some pastures where they wouldn't consume much if any. Not sure if it helped, one year wasn't much of a trial,
I am now using Smartlic mineral tubs with IGR about the only way to get IGR in Canada. Last year the cattle ate the tubs in those pasture where I always have consumption problems and I felt it did an adequate job of controlling flies.
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Re: Garlic to control flies?

Post by RSL » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:25 am

Our local college is doing a research project on garlic for fly control. Will try to post results once I see them.
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Re: Garlic to control flies?

Post by Faster horses » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:57 am

RSL wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:25 am
Our local college is doing a research project on garlic for fly control. Will try to post results once I see them.
That would be great. Thanks!!
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https://www.canadiancattlemen.ca/2017/0 ... 5-88378761

I know Obi is doing some follow trials with Lakeland College right now as well.
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Re: Garlic to control flies?

Post by TexasBred » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:02 pm

FH the only testimonials I've seen regarding garlic came from those that were promoting it in their products. I've seen no research to back up any of their claims.
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Re: Garlic to control flies?

Post by Faster horses » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:53 pm

TexasBred wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:02 pm
FH the only testimonials I've seen regarding garlic came from those that were promoting it in their products. I've seen no research to back up any of their claims.

Yes. My quote from the original post:
"There has been no research to support this that I can find, so I can't say that it does."


I don't understand how others can say it controls flies just to promote their product.
We are not allowed to do that, unless we have research to back it up. Hopefully that will
come. I know ND is starting a trial in the future, but so far nothing has changed. No research that
backs up the claim.

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Re: Garlic to control flies?

Post by TexasBred » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:28 am

Faster horses wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:53 pm
TexasBred wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:02 pm
FH the only testimonials I've seen regarding garlic came from those that were promoting it in their products. I've seen no research to back up any of their claims.

Yes. My quote from the original post:
"There has been no research to support this that I can find, so I can't say that it does."


I don't understand how others can say it controls flies just to promote their product.
We are not allowed to do that, unless we have research to back it up. Hopefully that will
come. I know ND is starting a trial in the future, but so far nothing has changed. No research that
backs up the claim.

Thanks TexasBred.
Does your company give a stated purpose for the inclusion of garlic and cinnamon in the mineral? Just curious.
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Re: Garlic to control flies?

Post by Big Muddy rancher » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:43 am

https://monicastevens.blogspot.com/2017 ... rtone.html

2017-09-02 · Vigortone MC Cattle Breeder CTC-CG-IGR is a chelated mineral that we use during the breeding season. It also includes CinnaGar that is consists of garlic and cinnamon extracts. CinnaGar products have shown to improve rumen efficiency. Mineral feeders are also available to purchase! These feeders hold up to three bags ( 150 pounds ) of mineral.
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Re: Garlic to control flies?

Post by Big Muddy rancher » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:50 am

CinnaGar® is a unique blend of plant extracts designed to enhance rumen efficiency, decrease methane production and shift the rumen volatile fatty acid profile. CinnaGar® is manufactured in a patented process in which plant extracts are encapsulated within a fat matrix. Encapsulation prevents evaporation of the plant extracts during feed manufacturing.
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Re: Garlic to control flies?

Post by Faster horses » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:25 am

TexasBred wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:28 am
Faster horses wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:53 pm
TexasBred wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:02 pm
FH the only testimonials I've seen regarding garlic came from those that were promoting it in their products. I've seen no research to back up any of their claims.

Yes. My quote from the original post:
"There has been no research to support this that I can find, so I can't say that it does."


I don't understand how others can say it controls flies just to promote their product.
We are not allowed to do that, unless we have research to back it up. Hopefully that will
come. I know ND is starting a trial in the future, but so far nothing has changed. No research that
backs up the claim.

Thanks TexasBred.
Does your company give a stated purpose for the inclusion of garlic and cinnamon in the mineral? Just curious.
Garlic extract reduces activity and integrity of rumen methanogens, resulting in less methane production.
Feeding CinnaGar (I left out the info on cinnamon, because that wasn't your question) also results in the production
of more energy efficient propionate and less acetate. Together (cinnamon and garlic extracts) modify the rumen microbial population to improve fermentation efficiency and diet utilization. The overall nutritional situation of the cow should improve due to more efficient utilization of feedstuffs.

In studies done with Vigortone 3V5S with Cinnagar, the findings include 27# heavier calves than the controls and the
herd was in better condition. I have a customer that has used it for several years and continues to use it as he
sees these benefits. Cattle consumption is equal to mineral without cinnamon/garlic.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Garlic to control flies?

Post by TexasBred » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:21 pm

Big Muddy rancher wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:43 am
https://monicastevens.blogspot.com/2017 ... rtone.html

2017-09-02 · Vigortone MC Cattle Breeder CTC-CG-IGR is a chelated mineral that we use during the breeding season. It also includes CinnaGar that is consists of garlic and cinnamon extracts. CinnaGar products have shown to improve rumen efficiency. Mineral feeders are also available to purchase! These feeders hold up to three bags ( 150 pounds ) of mineral.
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Since this contains CTC I suppose a script from the vet is required to purchase
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