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100% BSE TESTING

RoperAB

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This is an honest question and im not saying it to start a fight. I honestly dont know the answer to this question.
Hasnt the US and Japan been having trade difficulties for years? I dont mean just about beef. I mean with everything?
I remember something about a Japan comment about lazy American workers. Seems like there is a lot of bad blood in the auto industry? Im under the impression that the US accuses them of subsidizing their industry? Seems like Japan is always claiming that your doing everything you can to harass and make it hard for them to sell on a level playing field in the States?
Like this isnt something I pay a whole lot of attention to but it seems like I have been hearing this for years on the news.
The reason I bring this up is im just wondering if the real reason Japan wont take your beef has more to do with bad trade relations as a whole and not really so much to do with beef?
Maybe im wrong? Its just a thought.
 

Econ101

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RoperAB said:
This is an honest question and im not saying it to start a fight. I honestly dont know the answer to this question.
Hasnt the US and Japan been having trade difficulties for years? I dont mean just about beef. I mean with everything?
I remember something about a Japan comment about lazy American workers. Seems like there is a lot of bad blood in the auto industry? Im under the impression that the US accuses them of subsidizing their industry? Seems like Japan is always claiming that your doing everything you can to harass and make it hard for them to sell on a level playing field in the States?
Like this isnt something I pay a whole lot of attention to but it seems like I have been hearing this for years on the news.
The reason I bring this up is im just wondering if the real reason Japan wont take your beef has more to do with bad trade relations as a whole and not really so much to do with beef?
Maybe im wrong? Its just a thought.

One of the things that happened in the auto industry is that the U.S. got Japan to put their auto factories in the U.S. and they did.

They did it in the South where labor was much cheaper than U.S. auto maker's plants in the unionized north and they hired a much younger work force with more concessions to the plants.

The Japanese already had a knack at making good quality cars at a low price and when oil shocks happened, gained more market share because of better fuel economy. They also paid attention more to consumer's wants in vehicles.
 

RoperAB

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Econ101 said:
RoperAB said:
This is an honest question and im not saying it to start a fight. I honestly dont know the answer to this question.
Hasnt the US and Japan been having trade difficulties for years? I dont mean just about beef. I mean with everything?
I remember something about a Japan comment about lazy American workers. Seems like there is a lot of bad blood in the auto industry? Im under the impression that the US accuses them of subsidizing their industry? Seems like Japan is always claiming that your doing everything you can to harass and make it hard for them to sell on a level playing field in the States?
Like this isnt something I pay a whole lot of attention to but it seems like I have been hearing this for years on the news.
The reason I bring this up is im just wondering if the real reason Japan wont take your beef has more to do with bad trade relations as a whole and not really so much to do with beef?
Maybe im wrong? Its just a thought.

One of the things that happened in the auto industry is that the U.S. got Japan to put their auto factories in the U.S. and they did.

They did it in the South where labor was much cheaper than U.S. auto maker's plants in the unionized north and they hired a much younger work force with more concessions to the plants.

The Japanese already had a knack at making good quality cars at a low price and when oil shocks happened, gained more market share because of better fuel economy. They also paid attention more to consumer's wants in vehicles.

I just did a quick google search on trade retaliation/US/Japan. Here is a link thats a few years old about Japan/South Korea warning the US about trade retaliation over the steel industry.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2002/03/08/t1_24.php
 

Jason

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You have the major part of this right Roper.

99% of this is politics. Japan wants more access to American consumers. The American economy is the largest consumption economy in the world.

Japan was also having trouble with their own people buying domestic beef. They didn't like it compared to grain fed US and Canadian beef. However the domestic industry is worth too much to just allow it to die. BSE in Japan nearly killed it, BSE in the US made a good reason to assist them.
 

Tam

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Sandhusker said:
Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
Scotty, 'The amount of beef being exported from Canada and the US to Japan has to do with the fact that Canada and the US had BSE. It doesn't have a damn thing to do with the fact that we are not 100% testing our beef OR CANADA WOULD NOT BE SHIPPING ANY UNTESTED BEEF TO JAPAN. "

Canada is a different country, SH. Maybe they trust Canada's system better than ours? To my knowledge, there has never been any doubts about what Canada calls a positive and a negetive. Phyllis Fong's Canadian equivalent has never had to step in.

Maybe Canada hasn't torked them off with trade threats? Are you going to buy your gopher traps from somebody who threatens you?

I asked before Sandhusker but you never answered. so here it goes again If the Japanese don't trust the US beef without 100% testing because of Phyllis, why did they agree to take your UNTESTED BEEF months after Phyllis dropped her little bomb on the US Beef industry? If what you say is true about the effect Phyllis has then wouldn't the Japanese have insisted on 100% testing after she found your BSE and before they resumed untested beef trade with you? :?

I must add this. by what you said it looks as if you believe the Japanese are taking our untested beef as they trust it more than they trust US beef. So I ask if you get MCOOL enacted will US consumers be looking for the beef that other countries namely Japan feels is more trustworthy, IE Canadian? :? And if the Japanese feel it is more trustworthy why does R-CALF have such a problem within?


I think Japan took untested beef only because of the enormous amount of pressure our government was putting on them. I've seen many Japanese consumer groups say the same thing. You notice they closed back up at the first little problem and haven't opened since?

Most US consumers have no reason to think they can get anything other than US because of the USDA stamp. Judging by how our BSE cases affected consumption, they're not real spooked about it, either.

Why does R-CALF have a problem within? Within what?

The US may have been putting pressure on but if it was the US pressuring them why did they also except Canadian beef UNTESTED and why are they STILL TAKING IT UNTESTED? According to You and R-CALF our beef is much more dangerous :roll: but they took and still are taking it UNTESTED.

If the Japanese felt tested was the only way they would take beef from a BSE affected country, all they had to do was say test or no deal. They are the only country in the world that could of as they were 100% testing and the OIE rules state, the rules on imported may not be more stringent than those used on domestic. They could have won if this became a WTO court action. But they knew from years of testing that the test showed nothing in the younger animals so they used this to get out of their 100% testing.

Your comment about the Japanese closed back up has nothing to do with TESTING. It was not the fact you weren't testing that closed them back up, it was the US beef indusrty's failure to follow the agreement about not sending SRM's into Japan that got you ban AGAIN. I will repeat this for you as you seem to forget so easily It was not the fact you weren't testing that closed them back up, it was the US beef indusrty's failure to follow the agreement about not sending SRM's into Japan that got you ban AGAIN

Unless you have proof that the Japanese government have included the request for 100% in the new deal to resume trade, I doubt testing of younger animals is the hold up and the really hold up is the Japanese are still not sure you will not break your agreement with them AGAIN.

Gee I guess the US already did Sandhusker as the Japanese found Beef in with some turkey and ham DIDN"T THEY???? Had this Exporter been told if he tested Japan would except it or something? Why would anyone in the Beef industry, with all the media attention on the beef ban in Japan, no know that US BEEF IS BAN IN JAPAN TESTED OR NOT?

And I would like to know why R-CALF has a problem with our beef if Japan trusts it more than they trust the WORLD SAFEST US BEEF? Do you really think you and your wannabe rancher lawyers know more about BSE than the Japanese Goverment? :?

Most US consumers have no reason to think they can get anything other than US because of the USDA stamp. Judging by how our BSE cases affected consumption, they're not real spooked about it, either.

Just how does that make you R-CALFers feel, knowing all your hard earned money is falling on deaf ears? :wink: As if most of the consumers don't know by now they are eating unsafe imported beef, I'd say you just spent your money on a nag that will never cross the finish line. :lol: :lol: :lol: How many more years of roll over calf auctions will it take before R-CALFs lawyers educate the US consumers? :wink: :lol:
 

Sandhusker

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Tam, I've been fighting fire in Valentine for two days, I'm tired, and I'm a little heavy headed. I"ve read your post 4 times, and it hasn't made a lick of sense yet. Like all of your posts on R-CALF, I don't think it will make any sense after a good nights sleep. You have a hell of a time sorting out R-CALF and USDA - I guess those capital letters confuse you.
When it comes to R-CALF, your rationale and any common sense goes out the window. Good night.
 
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Anonymous

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Sandbag, let me help you out.

Why is Japan accepting untested beef from Canada when you continue to tell us that Japan wants 100% bse tested beef????

Why did Japan accept untested beef from the US after you said Japan wants 100% BSE tested beef.

WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT JAPAN WANTS 100% BSE TESTED BEEF???

Japans ACTIONS do not reflect YOUR WORDS.

Such simple questions and you keep dancing around them like the circus chicken you are.

Why? Because you have nothing to back your claim except a quote from Veneman back in 2004 who you've previously stated had no credibility. LOL! Sucks to be you!


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

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SH, what is the glory in being the village idiot? Does it pay well? A good benefit package? The Japanese consumers say they don't trust our beef. They say we have not done enough to convince them. Now what else could we do....hmmmmm...?
 
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Anonymous

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WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT JAPAN WANTS 100% BSE TESTED BEEF???

Quit dancing Sandbag!


~SH~
 

Tam

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Sandhusker said:
~SH~ said:
WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT JAPAN WANTS 100% BSE TESTED BEEF???

Quit dancing Sandbag!


~SH~

What will you accept as proof?


How about a request from the Japanese government for 100% testing that is dated SINCE YOUR BEEF WAS RE-BAN IN JAN. Add to that a request from them to Canada for 100% testing. If you can not provide a request then I would have to say they haven't changed their minds on what is to be tested. And the reason your beef is still ban has to do with the fact the US BEEF INDUSTRY FAILED TO COMPLY TO THE SRM RULES.
 

Mike

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Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
~SH~ said:
WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT JAPAN WANTS 100% BSE TESTED BEEF???

Quit dancing Sandbag!


~SH~

What will you accept as proof?


How about a request from the Japanese government for 100% testing that is dated SINCE YOUR BEEF WAS RE-BAN IN JAN. Add to that a request from them to Canada for 100% testing. If you can not provide a request then I would have to say they haven't changed their minds on what is to be tested. And the reason your beef is still ban has to do with the fact the US BEEF INDUSTRY FAILED TO COMPLY TO THE SRM RULES.

Are you people just downright damn STUPID?

1- The Japs wanted 100% testing in order to open up trade after the Washington cow was found positive. We all know that cause it's been written at least 50 million times in every newspaper on earth. If it wasn't true we would know it! Somebody that knows would have stepped forward and said......"that ain't true"! Plus we got the U.S. Trade Rep and Ann telling us they (the Japs) wanted 100% testing.

2- The USDA said absolutely NOT from the git-go and has pressured the Japs to take our meat. In fact, they first started out pushing the Japs to take meat from anything up to 30 months.

3- After almost 3 years of wrangling the USDA lowered their requirements and the Japs lowered their requirements and made a deal.

4- Who knows if the Japs want testing now? But it's common sense if they wanted it at "ONE TIME", they would sure be more receptive to importing tested beef NOW!

Just what is so hard to figure out in this??
 

Murgen

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Actually the way Canada gets it to Japan, is to just put a post-it-note on each box, just handwritten,

"TESTED, CAUSE MIKE AND SANDHUSKER, SAY IT'S A REQUIREMENT"

that or maybe it is a requirement, and they just forgot to tell us!
 

Sandhusker

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Murgen said:
Actually the way Canada gets it to Japan, is to just put a post-it-note on each box, just handwritten,

"TESTED, CAUSE MIKE AND SANDHUSKER, SAY IT'S A REQUIREMENT"

that or maybe it is a requirement, and they just forgot to tell us!

Tell me, Murg, what do you think would be Japan's response if the USDA said, "We'll allow testing if that is what you want"?
 

Murgen

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Reader, you have a very valid point. The only way we will erradicate BSE and other TSE's is to find the cause. We (the world) are already familiar with some of the routes of transmission, we should start spending some research dollars on finding the cause.

Take the cold for example:

We know that sneezing, or skin contact can transmit it! But if we hadn't found out that it was a germ that caused it, we'd still all be afraid of running out in the rain!
 

Murgen

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Tell me Reader, what causes a prion to fold?

Doesn't matter, I would suppose that in stead of curing this desease, we will begin to mask it with vaccination etc.
 

Econ101

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Murgen said:
Tell me Reader, what causes a prion to fold?

Doesn't matter, I would suppose that in stead of curing this desease, we will begin to mask it with vaccination etc.
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Vaccinations don't mask diseases, they put the body on alert so it is ready to fight the disease with its defense mechanisms in place.
 

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