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Tam

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Mitt Romney hit the magic number of 1144 with the New Jersey delegates so I hope Ron Paul and his supporters will join with the rest of the Republican party and BEAT OBAMA IN NOV.
 

flounder

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TAMPA, Fla. -- A divided Republican Party was on full display Tuesday when Rep. Ron Paul's (R-Texas) supporters and other grassroots activists loudly booed House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) on the first full day of the Republican National Convention.

The fight was over the unglamorous rules process that dictates how delegates are apportioned in each state. Paul didn't sweep the ballot boxes in state caucuses and primaries, but his supporters quietly worked behind the scenes in an effort to take control of state parties and delegate assignments.

The RNC's rules committee adopted provisions that would bar this sort of insurgent takeover from happening in the future: Convention delegates would be bound to vote for the candidate who won statewide at the ballot box.

In other words, when there is a statewide popular vote, if the result is not winner-take-all, each candidate must get delegates in proportion to their percentage of the popular vote. The rule was proposed and pushed through the committee by lieutenants loyal to Romney. Some Republicans, including ones loyal to Romney, opposed the rule change, arguing it hurt grassroots activism.

Twenty Paul backers from Maine were also stripped of their spots as official delegates after the RNC concluded that their election was invalid.

On Tuesday afternoon, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) called for a full delegation vote on the rules, including the ones the Paul backers opposed. The voice vote of ayes and nays were equal in volume, but Boehner immediately gave it to the ayes, leading to loud boos and shouts from Paul supporters.

The dismissed Maine delegation was easy to spot on Tuesday. They were all wearing white baseball caps that read "Maine 2012" and had a picture of Paul. Before the vote on the rules, Paul supporters would frequently interrupt the proceedings with shouts of "Seat them now" (referring to the Maine delegation), "We were robbed," "President Paul" and "Point of order."


After the vote, Paul supporters took to the hallways outside the main convention area and continued shouting and talking to reporters about how they believed they were robbed. Several of them said they may not support Romney -- and it could cause problems for Republicans in the fall.

"After the way they treated us, treated the state of Maine, treated us Republicans, they should be worried about how this is going to affect the election," said Erin Gail, a stripped Maine delegate.

"This is a sign this man [Romney] will take our country down a much worse path than the guy who is currently in office. And I can't stand the guy who is currently in office," said John Jones, another rejected Maine delegate.

Paul is with his backers, all the way. He is not speaking at the convention this year, because he denied the RNC's two conditions: that he allow his remarks to be vetted by RNC officials and that he fully endorse Romney.

“It wouldn't be my speech,” Paul told The New York Times. "That would undo everything I've done in the last 30 years. I don't fully endorse him for president."

On Tuesday, Paul told Fox News host Neil Cavuto that he was "undecided" on whether he would vote for Romney.

Gladys Lemley, an alternate delegate from West Virginia who is backing Romney -- although she originally supported Newt Gingrich -- agreed with the Paul delegates that the divide in the GOP could hurt the party in November. She said she wished the Paul backers would join with other Republicans and focus on defeating Obama.

"By now, we need to unify the Republican Party and go after Obama. He is our enemy, not members of the Republican Party," she said.

When asked whether it could help Democrats win in November, she added, "It could. I remember back when Ross Perot ran. It hurt the Republican Party."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/ron-paul-republican-convention_n_1837556.html
 

Larrry

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Now we have the huffpos liberal leftwing take on this, thank you.

But on a brighter note what I hear from the convention floor is more in line with America. Nice speeches, I'll bet obama is fuming because he can't defend his record
 

hopalong

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Huffo by flipper ????????? YEA right,,,,just like the rest of his phoney b.s he posts!!!!

He can not even prove waht his mother died from((HIS OWN WORDS)))
just what he believes!!!!!!
Heck even the two weirdos that believed in the contrails had to believe in something weird like flounder :D :D :D
 

Tam

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Gee Flounder wants to talk about the divide in the Republican party, :lol:

http://firstpatriots.com/?s=silenced&task=search

Did Hillary's supporters join the Obama camp Flounder?

Hillary Clinton 2008 Supporters Speak Out Against Obama
- Rev. Lainie Dowell Thursday, September 2, 2010

I came upon this fantastic information via a link shared on Twitter, and I’m glad I clicked on it.

In 2008, the American people refused to pay attention to the many warnings being sounded about Barack Obama and the Chicago thugs. Now, the Democrat supporters of Hillary Clinton (presently Secretary of State in the Obama Administration) are speaking out from first-hand accounts about that political process which tossed Hillary Clinton and elevated Obama.

Following that televised nominating process which broke the hearts of many of her supporters, the people made the decision that, “We Will Not Be Silenced.” They have fought to keep that promise, and everybody needs to view the message they have tried to get out nationally since 2008, but to no avail. However, in 2010, Hillary Clinton supporters are finally able to provide substantial evidence of widespread fraud and intimidation perpetrated by Obama and many of his supporters during the 2008 election.

Their video entitled “We Will Not Be Silenced” (or, “How the Mob Stole A Nomination”) is directed by Gigi Gaston. It is a breathtaking account and I am sure it will grip your heart, as it did mine. The first presentation of this video was a 4-part series on the same site. (If the links do not show up here, please google)

Included is the song, “Betchya Gotta Cure.” Music and lyrics by Sophie B. Hawkins.

That video site (above) also directs viewers to another site where there is a new extended version online. This video was previewed on FOX TV, on July 11, 2010, during an interview of Gigi Gaston, video director.

Voice Ink News Commentary Founder-Editor Weighed In

On Wednesday, July 23, 2008, I wrote a commentary entitled, “Get Those People Out of Here Quick!”

This article told how Hillary Clinton had sold out her supporters by having a secret meeting with Obama (later discovered to have been held at Rep. Diane Feinstein’s house) where she made a deal with Obama for compensation of some sort, if she got out of the race and turned her supporters over to him. And, subsequently, that is exactly what we saw her do even though she had as much of a chance of winning that 2008 nomination as Obama did at the time. And her supporters knew it!

On Wednesday, August 27, 2008, I wrote a commentary entitled “Election 2008 Change That Thrives On Hope. “

I had prophetically sounded the alarm about that Democrat nominating process. Even though I am a Republican by political affiliation and I supported the McCain-Palin candidacy, my heart broke for those Clinton supporters. During their 2008 nominating process, viewers saw how devastated Hillary’s supporters were when she publicly announced she was getting out of that race and had asked them to turn their allegiance over to Obama. Many of her supporters expressed their anger at the time and chose to turn away from Obama’s candidacy.

On Wednesday, August 27, 2008, I also wrote a commentary entitled “Obama Coronation By DEMS.” Here, I expressed the heartache I felt because Obama and his thugs had betrayed not only Hillary Clinton but also the entire voting process for all Americans.

Even now, in 2010, I believe anybody who watches that timely video and who loves America will be heart broken. At the same time they will also feel vindicated, because they knew they were not wrong about Barack Hussein Obama and his faction of the Democratic Party who had deliberately stolen the 2008 nomination from Hillary Clinton. Not only that, but they also began their call once more to eliminate the Electoral College. Even now they are still working toward that end. But they must not be allowed to succeed there, either.

What more proof does anybody need about Obama?!

We must work harder to ensure that Barack Hussein Obama will never have another chance to corrupt any other election process to aid him in his attempt to circumvent the United States Constitution, do away with our representative form of government, and install himself as U.S. President in Perpetuity.

Many bloggers who continue to expose Obama are mocked, scoffed at, and even ignored. Our voting process is broken and, through his illegal manipulation of the process, Obama proves he is not now, never was, and never will be the person who should be entrusted with the Office of President of the United States. Moreover, we have a constitutional crisis right now and citizens must compel Congress to hold an investigative hearing towards impeaching Obama well before the 2012 Presidential election.

Hardly anybody heard the warnings being sounded about Obama at the time, because the mainstream media was sold out to him and he could do no wrong. Many still refuse to hear and believe the allegations against Obama even now. Instead, they prefer to believe that Obama is truthful, patriotic, and competent rather than a traitor who wants to establish his own parliamentarian coalition government inside of the White House.

He has never stopped campaigning and has never disbanded his personal lobbyist arm known as “Organizing For America” (formerly known as “Obama For America”). Obama and his wife, Michelle, and Joe Biden and his wife, Jill, along with the staff who works with and for Obama continue to send out campaign-style emails begging for donations and bragging about how they have gotten over Congress. And the Executive Branch also leaves no doubt as to where they stand, because they personally allow their signatures to be used with those emails. That action is unconstitutional and illegal and needs to be addressed and halted! Nevertheless, we have seen many of our laws broken by Obama without accountability. And I believe it is because our officials do not want to be labelled as racist for weighing in. Outrageous!

All American voters beyond political or religious affiliation, race, or gender need to make the time to review this information via the links I have provided in this article. There is another election coming up on November 2, 2010; therefore, this news item should be helpful in leading every reader into not becoming complacent or apathetic about the all-important American voting process.

VOTE IN 2010 LIKE IT IS 2012! Pass it on!
 
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flounder said:
TAMPA, Fla. -- A divided Republican Party was on full display Tuesday when Rep. Ron Paul's (R-Texas) supporters and other grassroots activists loudly booed House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) on the first full day of the Republican National Convention.

The fight was over the unglamorous rules process that dictates how delegates are apportioned in each state. Paul didn't sweep the ballot boxes in state caucuses and primaries, but his supporters quietly worked behind the scenes in an effort to take control of state parties and delegate assignments.

The RNC's rules committee adopted provisions that would bar this sort of insurgent takeover from happening in the future: Convention delegates would be bound to vote for the candidate who won statewide at the ballot box.

In other words, when there is a statewide popular vote, if the result is not winner-take-all, each candidate must get delegates in proportion to their percentage of the popular vote. The rule was proposed and pushed through the committee by lieutenants loyal to Romney. Some Republicans, including ones loyal to Romney, opposed the rule change, arguing it hurt grassroots activism.

Twenty Paul backers from Maine were also stripped of their spots as official delegates after the RNC concluded that their election was invalid.

On Tuesday afternoon, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) called for a full delegation vote on the rules, including the ones the Paul backers opposed. The voice vote of ayes and nays were equal in volume, but Boehner immediately gave it to the ayes, leading to loud boos and shouts from Paul supporters.

The dismissed Maine delegation was easy to spot on Tuesday. They were all wearing white baseball caps that read "Maine 2012" and had a picture of Paul. Before the vote on the rules, Paul supporters would frequently interrupt the proceedings with shouts of "Seat them now" (referring to the Maine delegation), "We were robbed," "President Paul" and "Point of order."


After the vote, Paul supporters took to the hallways outside the main convention area and continued shouting and talking to reporters about how they believed they were robbed. Several of them said they may not support Romney -- and it could cause problems for Republicans in the fall.

"After the way they treated us, treated the state of Maine, treated us Republicans, they should be worried about how this is going to affect the election," said Erin Gail, a stripped Maine delegate.

"This is a sign this man [Romney] will take our country down a much worse path than the guy who is currently in office. And I can't stand the guy who is currently in office," said John Jones, another rejected Maine delegate.

Paul is with his backers, all the way. He is not speaking at the convention this year, because he denied the RNC's two conditions: that he allow his remarks to be vetted by RNC officials and that he fully endorse Romney.

“It wouldn't be my speech,” Paul told The New York Times. "That would undo everything I've done in the last 30 years. I don't fully endorse him for president."

On Tuesday, Paul told Fox News host Neil Cavuto that he was "undecided" on whether he would vote for Romney.

Gladys Lemley, an alternate delegate from West Virginia who is backing Romney -- although she originally supported Newt Gingrich -- agreed with the Paul delegates that the divide in the GOP could hurt the party in November. She said she wished the Paul backers would join with other Republicans and focus on defeating Obama.

"By now, we need to unify the Republican Party and go after Obama. He is our enemy, not members of the Republican Party," she said.

When asked whether it could help Democrats win in November, she added, "It could. I remember back when Ross Perot ran. It hurt the Republican Party."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/ron-paul-republican-convention_n_1837556.html

I came in yesterday- and turned on the tv in the middle of the vote... It didn't take long to see the Repubs and Romney were still the party of exclusion-- and playing play ground games...
Can't remember the state- but Romney had received about 20 delegates and Paul 12- which the state chairman announced-- but then when the moderator announced back the vote- they announced only Romney (which drew a large amount of boos).. The same thing happened with Santorums delegates...
Maybe they were trying to make out as a party united by only announcing Romneys votes-- but they were being shown up as a party truly divided and that doesn't seem to understand the ways/importance of Democratic voting or Roberts Rules of Order...
They still want to make up the rules as they go.... :(
That was the last of the convention I watched....
 

ranch hand

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Ot you should have watched it so you would truly know the other party instead of just drinking the twisted tea of your party. I listen closely to both sides to stay informed.
 

TexasBred

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ranch hand said:
Ot you should have watched it so you would truly know the other party instead of just drinking the twisted tea of your party. I listen closely to both sides to stay informed.

Evidently the drunks in the bar don't watch TV....Santorum called a news conference last friday and released all of his delegates. Ron Paul was probably in the bar with OT.
 
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ranch hand said:
Ot you should have watched it so you would truly know the other party instead of just drinking the twisted tea of your party. I listen closely to both sides to stay informed.

ranch hand- The weather channel was much more interesting and informative... :p

From what I watched I can still see Repubs are still the party of NO- our way or the hiway- take us back to 1860- with a very limited access to their tent... And no way will a party with that attitude do any good in todays world...Especially when they openly throw out democratic style rules for dictatorship type rule... Its easy to see they don't want any new ideas- and are moving to have less input by their membership....With the divided country we have- we will need compromise and working together to keep the country from imploding....

Ron Paul supporters put dent in unity at GOP convention


Posted by
CNN's Kevin Liptak
Tampa, Florida (CNN) - The always-vocal supporters of Ron Paul made one final push to support the Texas congressman's bid for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination Tuesday, and in the process made their displeasure at the GOP establishment known as official proceedings at the Republican National Convention got underway.

Paul's supporters shouted and booed when rules were adopted as part of the Republican Party's official platform that would hinder the kind of grassroots campaign that carried Paul to the national convention.

The booing turned to cheers, however, when Paul stepped out onto the convention floor. Shouts of "let him speak" broke out from his supporters, who are fervently loyal to the libertarian congressman who is making his third and, he says, final bid for the presidency.

When their candidate received any delegates in the state-by-state roll call, Paul's supporters delivered loud cheers. However, convention organizers ultimately made a decision to stop calling out the Paul delegates.

That decision was met with furious cries from Paul's supporters, who said their voices weren't being heard at the Republican Party's official gathering. When states listed delegate votes for both Romney and Paul, party officials at the podium listed only the votes assigned to Romney, who secured enough delegates Tuesday to officially clinch the GOP nomination.

At one point, delegates from Maine walked off the convention floor in protest of a Republican National Committee decision to replace 10 of the 20 delegates Paul had secured in the state. That move prevented Maine from submitting Paul's name for nomination.

"I wanted to see the chairman keep it fair," Tom Bronza, a delegate and Ron Paul supporter from Pennsylvania, told CNN. "I just wanted to see the yeas and nays on the rolls. I knew it would be close. I wanted to record the numbers and wanted the chair to announce it. He didn't. I am disappointed in that. But that's the way the cards fell."

Bronza said the treatment from national Republicans toward Paul supporters had him seriously weighing whether he would vote for Mitt Romney in November.

"The way I was treated here today, I felt like I was picked on a lot by a number of different people, so I'm not too happy about that, and you know, if I was well received and no shenanigans, I would have considered it in November," Bronza said.
 

Faster horses

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Don't worry, OT, there is a uniter in the bunch, and his name is Paul Ryan.
He's proven he can work with both sides. Aren't we glad he's Romney's
running mate????? :D The future looks bright with this team. BTW,
did you read where the stock market will rise steadily when Romney/Ryan
win the election?
 

Steve

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"I just wanted to see the yeas and nays on the rolls. I knew it would be close

this article is full of inaccuracies..

Maine voted.. correct me if I am wrong.. but it was ten for Paul and ten for Romney.. same with a few other states, Nevada, Minnesota.

I watched it in CNN and they listed all the Paul votes.. and I even added the abstentions and Santorum votes to Paul's count.. it was not close,.. not even close.. in fact you could have added all the votes Romney didn't get and didn't get announced,.. Paul would have still lost..

Paul took alot of delegates he didn't earn... something that has never sat right with any conservative..

and while I do not agree with the actions of the rules committee and the party elite.. I can understand why they took the measures..

Puals supporters, (some recently converted democrats) were vocal.. and loud.. but not in the running by any measure...

we had one guy locally we kicked off,.. he was still actually a registered democrat.. he went around whining about his freedoms being stomped on.. to no end,.. and even flew down to Florida

who would want your party hijacked by a bunch of old 60's pot smokin liberals.. claiming to be libertarians..

and then we get those who support Paul and Obama and whine about uniting the party? really? do you even understand what the word means..
 

Larrry

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I am glad Paul, Santorum, Gingrich, etc ran. The nominee has been decided. If you are a Rep then I guess you can support him or go home.

If you are a liberal, who cares it's not your party, remeber you are supporting the status quo economy

Romney Ryan 2012
 
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Steve said:
"I just wanted to see the yeas and nays on the rolls. I knew it would be close

this article is full of inaccuracies..

Maine voted.. correct me if I am wrong.. but it was ten for Paul and ten for Romney.. same with a few other states, Nevada, Minnesota.

I watched it in CNN and they listed all the Paul votes.. and I even added the abstentions and Santorum votes to Paul's count.. it was not close,.. not even close.. in fact you could have added all the votes Romney didn't get and didn't get announced,.. Paul would have still lost..

Paul took alot of delegates he didn't earn... something that has never sat right with any conservative..

and while I do not agree with the actions of the rules committee and the party elite.. I can understand why they took the measures..

Puals supporters, (some recently converted democrats) were vocal.. and loud.. but not in the running by any measure...

we had one guy locally we kicked off,.. he was still actually a registered democrat.. he went around whining about his freedoms being stomped on.. to no end,.. and even flew down to Florida

who would want your party hijacked by a bunch of old 60's pot smokin liberals.. claiming to be libertarians..

and then we get those who support Paul and Obama and whine about uniting the party? really? do you even understand what the word means..

I watched it- and the Convention announcer/moderator (whatever you want to call her) refused to repeat the votes for Paul or Santorum... Example for Maine- the State Chairman would make their little dog and pony show speach for their state- then cast 10 votes for Paul and 10 votes for Romney--- but the convention announcer would only say Maine cast 10 votes for Mitt Romney... They did this every time...They totally overlooked the Paul votes-- a childish ploy-- and I can see where Paul and his followers would consider it a slap in the face...

The man and his followers/delegates worked hard to get the votes they did- and the Repubs giving them that recognition wouldn't have hurt a thing... In fact the booing and whistles and catcalls when they didn't, hurt the Party more than anything and showed a party that can't even get along or compromise amongst themselves...
 

Larrry

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What a bunch of crap ot. You aren't worried about anything hurting the rep party, you only want dissention. That is your motive plain and simple.
 

hopalong

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Unless it is democrap oldtimer does noit listen!!He just makes things up to make himself feel good

He sets in the bar and watches soaps with the rest of the barflys :D :D You know the ones he surrounded himseelf with when his wife was in danger :roll:
 

Larrry

Well-known member
Remeber when ot tried to tell everyone unless they were a woman to shut up on the abortion issue. It didn't pertain to them.

Well using that slant on things I guess ot will shut up on the Rep convention.

After all the leftwingernuts are still handing out their kooliad
 

Tam

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Oldtimer that is the party of HELL NO when it comes to most of your hero's policies. And from the reactions to those policies, I have to say that is the feeling of a large Majority of voters in the US or did you forget the HISTORICAL LOSE FOR THE DEMOCRATS IN 2010?

As for Ron Paul he is a spiteful little man that should go back to Texas and stop making an azz of himself. There was never a chance that he was going to win the nomination due to his WACKY ideas on Foreign affairs. The whole Primary season he was telling his supporters that he was going great in the Delegate count and he felt they were sitting good to take the nomination at the Convention. :roll:

The final delegate count was NOT EVEN CLOSE in fact he never even got as many as he claimed he had sewn up in the Primaries.

Final GOP delegate count

For the second convention in a row, Ron Paul came in second.

When the final delegate count was tallied at the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla., GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney was the clear winner, with 2,061 delegate votes, in the roll call of the states.

Paul, a Texas congressman and former Republican presidential candidate, picked up the second largest number -- 190 votes, from delegates from more than two dozen states, including 20 cast for him in Texas.

Rick Santorum picked up nine votes and Buddy Roemer, John Huntsman and Michelle Bachmann all received one vote. Twenty-three delegates abstained from voting.

Again Ron Paul is delusional for claiming he was going to win the nomination by using his dirty little delegate tricks at the Convention. He should be ashamed of himself for leading his supporters on and wasting their time and money. For the good of his son's political career he needs to retire and GO AWAY.
 

ranch hand

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Ot I am willing to listen to any FACTS you can present that we would go backwards to a time that is bad for the country. I would go back in a heart beat to where my kids are not put in the ball and chain of the debit Obama stuck them with.
 
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