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12 million new jobs

Steve

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I have a plan to create 12 million new jobs.” — Mitt Romney.

This sounds like a pretty bold statement, especially considering that only two presidents—Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton—created more than 12 million jobs. Romney, in fact, says he can reach this same goal, in just four years

seems a bit better then Obama's dismal saved or created.. :lol:

it is clear how Romney will create the jobs.. by getting the government out of the way of small businesses.. and embarking on an impressive challenge of energy independence..

with energy security, and tax stability our economy will thrive.. and need people to take those jobs.. (even OT knows that is true)


but you will get two messages.. one of disbelief that mocks the claim.. .. and an educated one that says any president could do it...
Factchecker: Romney’s ’12 million jobs’ promise

But, in fact, the number is less impressive than it sounds. This pledge amounts to an average of 250,000 jobs a month, a far cry from the 500,000 jobs a month that Romney claimed would be created in a “normal recovery.” In recent months, the economy has averaged about 150,000 jobs a month.

But even with that caveat, the nonpartisan agency assumes 9.6 million jobs will be created in the next four years. (This is a revision downward; CBO had estimated 11 million in January.)

But Moody’s Analytics, in an August forecast, predicts 12 million jobs will be created by 2016, no matter who is president. (See page 51.) And Macroeconomic Advisors in April also predicted a gain of 12.3 million jobs.

In other words, this is a fairly safe bet by Romney

so why is it so hard for Obama to do it?
 

Larrry

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If Romney wins he will just add jobs because of peoples attitudes.

It is quite funny that the media decides now that they are going to fact check. Where were they on all of obamas promises the last four years.
But when you have the media factchecking weith the same credibility as they have had in reporting their biased news.
These so called fact checks are as worthless as a steer in a cowherd.
 

Steve

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Larrry said:
If Romney wins he will just add jobs because of peoples attitudes.

It is quite funny that the media decides now that they are going to fact check. Where were they on all of obamas promises the last four years.
But when you have the media factchecking weith the same credibility as they have had in reporting their biased news.
These so called fact checks are as worthless as a steer in a cowherd.

it seems the new liberal tactic is to "factcheck"... it is really awesome how they destroy the true meaning of words...

I found a dozen that gave different answers but they all boiled down to two themes.. are economy will grow no matter who is president,.. and the ever prevalent mocking answer..

when did mocking become a fact,.. let alone a fact check?

My opinion,.. 12 million jobs in the private sector alone will provide federal revenue, and help reduce the bloated government...

and it is easy enough for an unemployed college grad living in his mothers basement to understand..
 
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Anonymous

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I have one question HOW? Its easy to say you are going to do all these things- and create all these jobs- but I would like to know the details...

Or is he another of those "trickle down theory" folks that think taxcuts for the wealthy will cure all? Or as it was called under GW Bush - "sh*t runs downhill"... :p

What Romney didn't do is explain how he will create the jobs needed other than to push his idea of tax cuts for "job creators." He didn't mention that Bill Clinton raised taxes almost immediately upon taking office and saw 23 million jobs created during his two terms while George W. Bush cut taxes upon taking office and saw only 5 million new jobs in his 8 years. Nevertheless, it is pillar of the Republican platform that tax cuts create jobs and tax increases kill them, even though there is scant evidence to support this.
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
I have one question HOW? Its easy to say you are going to do all these things- and create all these jobs- but I would like to know the details...

Or is he another of those "trickle down theory" folks that think taxcuts for the wealthy will cure all? Or as it was called under GW Bush - "sh*t runs downhill"... :p

What Romney didn't do is explain how he will create the jobs needed other than to push his idea of tax cuts for "job creators." He didn't mention that Bill Clinton raised taxes almost immediately upon taking office and saw 23 million jobs created during his two terms while George W. Bush cut taxes upon taking office and saw only 5 million new jobs in his 8 years. Nevertheless, it is pillar of the Republican platform that tax cuts create jobs and tax increases kill them, even though there is scant evidence to support this.



Bush inherited Clinton's US -China Act of 2000, which was responsible for the loss of 7 million manufacturing jobs.

Clinton's job numbers were boosted by Reagan's policies.
 

Steve

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I have one question HOW?

well lets start with the easy one....

how are things up in your neck of the woods?

just by lifting all the moratoriums Obama put in place on gas drilling over the last 3 1/2 years would create at least 250,000 new jobs on day one...

add in infrastructure and oil jobs.. that go hand in hand with the gas drilling and bang,.. you have another 250,000 on day two...

and anyone knows a job is hard to come by up in Williston..

but we have that same gas/oil problem in Utah, Ohio, Pennsylvania.
all projects stopped by Obama ... and moratoriums put in place by executive order or stalling..


but then again you knew that.. and have been saying it for the last 3 1/2 years
 

Larrry

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The leftwingernuts never cease to amze us with their stupidity.

When obama was running all they needed to know was Hope and Change.

Now That Romney is running and quotes the 12 million jobs, they want to know the details. If they would sit down and shut up and listen to Romney and Ryan maybe they would learn. It's there, they are just too busy ridiculing Romney and drinking the liberal koolaid
 

Zilly

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Oldtimer said:
I have one question HOW?

That's the same question I have. It's easy to say you can do this that and the other, but show me how you are going to do it. That's my biggest problem with Romney, actually all politicians. Show me a plan and either I'll back it or I won't.

For various reasons, I have my doubts that the 12million figure will legitimately, come to be. First, we are no longer a manufacturing powerhouse, but we are a "service" country. The folks I know in the service industry (hvac, electrical, etc.) are doing very well right now, but even with unemployment so high, have a hard time finding people willing to do the hard dirty work. This is going to take a fundamental change in people's (not politicians) view of manual labor and a shift in the educational systems.

Second, the corporation I work for is showing record profits, but is cutting heads left and right. Why? Because they can send the jobs overseas and get the work done cheaper. I realize that they have no responsibility to keep jobs here, but how is Romney going to change their view on this? He can't give them any tax breaks, they haven't paid corporate taxes in quite a few years.

Then the third and simple reason. If Romney cuts Gov't like he says he will, where do all of those people go to work? Sure you created 12 million new private sector jobs, but they get back filled with some former Gov't sector jobs, and the numbers remain stagnate. The thing Romney will have working for him is the baby-boomers retiring, opening up spots for new employees, thus creating an imaginary new job.
 

flounder

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Steve said:
I have a plan to create 12 million new jobs.” — Mitt Romney.

This sounds like a pretty bold statement, especially considering that only two presidents—Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton—created more than 12 million jobs. Romney, in fact, says he can reach this same goal, in just four years




:lol: :lol2: :liar: :disagree: :tiphat: :wave:




HOW ??? very easy... your lie like romney and ryan did, do. ...
 

Steve

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Zilly said:
Oldtimer said:
I have one question HOW?

That's the same question I have. It's easy to say you can do this that and the other, but show me how you are going to do it. That's my biggest problem with Romney, actually all politicians. Show me a plan and either I'll back it or I won't.

For various reasons, I have my doubts that the 12million figure will legitimately, come to be. First, we are no longer a manufacturing powerhouse, but we are a "service" country. The folks I know in the service industry (hvac, electrical, etc.) are doing very well right now, but even with unemployment so high, have a hard time finding people willing to do the hard dirty work. This is going to take a fundamental change in people's (not politicians) view of manual labor and a shift in the educational systems.

Second, the corporation I work for is showing record profits, but is cutting heads left and right. Why? Because they can send the jobs overseas and get the work done cheaper. I realize that they have no responsibility to keep jobs here, but how is Romney going to change their view on this? He can't give them any tax breaks, they haven't paid corporate taxes in quite a few years.

Then the third and simple reason. If Romney cuts Gov't like he says he will, where do all of those people go to work? Sure you created 12 million new private sector jobs, but they get back filled with some former Gov't sector jobs, and the numbers remain stagnate. The thing Romney will have working for him is the baby-boomers retiring, opening up spots for new employees, thus creating an imaginary new job.

there are several policy papers already out on it.. they are long reads.. and you would have to have some economics background,.. but they are detailed..

Romney had actually pushed for 500,000 jobs in the first four years but backed off because the liberals couldn't grasp the idea of how easy it is to unleash an economy without resorting to vicious attacks..

a normal recovery economy grows by 250,000 jobs per month..

it is how Reagan and Clinton both saw huge job growth numbers..

heck if we just enforced immigration laws an sent back half of the criminal aliens in this country we would have millions of new jobs..

instead of wondering,..check out the policy papers..

and then wonder where are the 100,000 vets going to get jobs under an Obama economy..
 

Steve

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flounder said:
Steve said:
I have a plan to create 12 million new jobs.” — Mitt Romney.

This sounds like a pretty bold statement, especially considering that only two presidents—Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton—created more than 12 million jobs. Romney, in fact, says he can reach this same goal, in just four years




:lol: :lol2: :liar: :disagree: :tiphat: :wave:




HOW ??? very easy... your lie like romney and ryan did, do. ...

wow that's intellectual.. couldn't even get the quote thing to work...
(are all liberals really that dumb? )

but as always.. please feel free to back up your accusation.. just as I have easily backed up the statements I have made...

or is that to hard to do without pasting articles that have little to do with the topic?
 

Zilly

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Steve said:
a normal recovery economy grows by 250,000 jobs per month..

it is how Reagan and Clinton both saw huge job growth numbers..

heck if we just enforced immigration laws an sent back half of the criminal aliens in this country we would have millions of new jobs..

instead of wondering,..check out the policy papers..

and then wonder where are the 100,000 vets going to get jobs under an Obama economy..

We are no longer in the past. This is present day America. Clinton was around, what 12 years ago? Since then China, India, and many other countries have become economic powerhouses. Something America has never had to contend with in the past.

Now onto Romney. I shouldn't have to wonder or check out policy papers. Put it to you this way, if I am looking to hire you for a position I have open, I expect YOU to come into my office and TELL me why, backing it up with facts, you are the best candidate for the job. If Mitt is up there saying he is going to do this and that, put it in laymen's terms and spell it out. I want to hire him, but he has some convincing to do.

As for the illegal immigrants, I agree send 'em back. But you then have the same problem I mentioned in my first post. Good luck trying to find anyone willing to do those jobs.
 

hypocritexposer

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Romney has had his plan out for quite awhile.

Have you read it yet, Zilly?

Summary
http://www.scribd.com/doc/64086113/Believe-In-America-Mitt-Romney-s-Plan-for-Jobs-and-Economic-Growth-Summary


more detailed
http://www.scribd.com/doc/64106040/BelieveInAmerica%E2%80%93MittRomney%E2%80%93PlanForJobsAndEconomicGrowth
 

Zilly

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Thank you for the links hypocritexposer! I honestly had no idea he had a plan out. I watched the debates until I canceled my cable, and pretty much watched the entire RNC and either missed he had a plan out or it wasn't mentioned.

One thing I'd like to mention about it is Romney and his people need to get on the same page. The article Steve quoted says Romney promised 12 million jobs. From Romney's plan, it says they will not mention how many jobs will be created because the Government can't create jobs.
 

Steve

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Good luck trying to find anyone willing to do those jobs.

you really aren't serious are you?

early this summer I worked construction for about a month to finish up a few projects. I have never seen so many people stop by looking for work..

work done in the past by criminal aliens...

college grads working at burger king isn't a myth..

my son a college grad, from a great university is working at his old job just to have one..

the only reason any criminal alien is working is the tax cost factor of the employer.. (they are about half the price of an American working on the books)..

I have several friends who picked vegetables during the day and worked as security at night..

and that doesn't count the countless others I know who took cleaning jobs at hotels on..

I have a friend who has a landscaping business.. his crew for the first time in years is "all American"..

enjoy your job,.. because when it is gone under Obama.. you will realize how hard it is getting... and be thankful for any job..
 

Steve

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Since then China, India, and many other countries have become economic powerhouses. Something America has never had to contend with in the past.

not really true... in the past jobs went to Mexico.. some jobs will always chase cheap labor.. some like the loses to Japan a few decades ago will actually end up benefiting our economy.. despite the doom and gloom of those
who claimed Japan owned US back then... (BTW how are they doing?)
before you worry about China read up on japan's lost decade... and see how similar it is to the Obama policy..

it is a mixed bag on the recent loses..

but the jobs we lost under Obama are in the medical device field ,,, research fields and more technical.. because of uncertainty these corporations decided it was easier to bring a product to market elsewhere..

but a sound fiscal policy will lure back some of the better ones back.. and manufacturing if given a stable workforce would return..


If Romney follows though on new trade agreements,.. most of China's advantage will fade..



either way.. your choice now is the promise of twelve million jobs..from a guy know for creating jobs..

or more excuses from the other guy who has been a failure..
(unless you think a few million per job is good and can look past the billions recently lost and all those jobs that are now gone...
 

Steve

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We are no longer in the past.

seems like nothing has changed... liberals still ignore the argument presented..

but I will try again...
UMWA-for-Obama-300x300.jpg


Let’s take a look at how Utility MACT will impact some of the most coal dependent states.

ARKANSAS - 40% of electricity; $70 million in annual payroll

LOUISIANA - 9th cheapest electricity; $100 million in payroll

MICHIGAN - 60% of electricity; 10th in coal use

MISSOURI -80% of electricity; 6th in coal use

MONTANA -60% of its electricity; 5th in coal production

NORTH DAKOTA - 85% of electricity; 9th in coal production

OHIO -85% of its electricity; more than 19,000 jobs

PENNSYLVANIA - 52% of electricity; 5th in coal use

TENNESSEE - 62% of electricity; $220 million in annual payroll

VIRGINIA - more than 31,000 jobs; 13th in coal production

WEST VIRGINIA - 2nd in coal production; more than 80,000 jobs

These are real jobs that will be lost state by state.

an article worth reading before dismissing energy as a key job creator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/47114

one that Obama has worked hard to destroy..

instead of listing reams of jobs lost under Obama's failed energy policy.. that you may ignore to support Obama...

this time I will end with a question.... if we had worked towards a independent energy policy that included coal, natural gas and oil exploration.. how many jobs would that have created across the country?




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Zilly

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Steve, I truly have no way to decipher the hodge podge of stuff you just presented. I will try to answer some of what I could decipher.

First and foremost not everyone who doesn't fall instep with the Republican ideal is a Liberal. If you truly feel that way, I'm sorry that you live such a closed minded life. Thinking I'm a Liberal for questioning the choice the Republican party put forth is just foolish. And the last time I checked, it may be a two horse race(republican and democrat) but there are still other horses on the track. Obama isn't on the my list and maybe Romney is maybe he isn't. Perhaps if you didn't assume and start the liberal rant, I may have taken the time to read what you wrote, like I did with hypocriticexposure. But now you are just someone who I won't bother listening to.

As for the illegals, really? I'm pretty sure we live in the same state and not that far apart. Drive by any field around here and it's migrant labor. Go to a non-union construction site, and it's migrant workers. Lawn people, yup, it's migrant workers, unless it's the mom and pop outfits just out trying to make a buck. I say migrant because I'm not going to assume that they are all illegal, but the PA tags are normally a good tip-off. And if you are so certain that everyone would jump for those jobs, I suggest you ask the farmers in Georgia how their immigration policy worked for them. And not to toot my own horn, but from the age of 13 to 17, I did the jobs that the migrant field workers are doing now.
 

Larrry

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Zilly said:
Steve, I truly have no way to decipher the hodge podge of stuff you just presented. I will try to answer some of what I could decipher.

First and foremost not everyone who doesn't fall instep with the Republican ideal is a Liberal. If you truly feel that way, I'm sorry that you live such a closed minded life. Thinking I'm a Liberal for questioning the choice the Republican party put forth is just foolish. And the last time I checked, it may be a two horse race(republican and democrat) but there are still other horses on the track. Obama isn't on the my list and maybe Romney is maybe he isn't. Perhaps if you didn't assume and start the liberal rant, I may have taken the time to read what you wrote, like I did with hypocriticexposure. But now you are just someone who I won't bother listening to.

As for the illegals, really? I'm pretty sure we live in the same state and not that far apart. Drive by any field around here and it's migrant labor. Go to a non-union construction site, and it's migrant workers. Lawn people, yup, it's migrant workers, unless it's the mom and pop outfits just out trying to make a buck. And if you are so certain that everyone would jump for those jobs, I suggest you ask the farmers in Georgia how their immigration policy worked for them. And not to toot my own horn, but from the age of 13 to 17, I did the jobs that the migrant field workers are doing now.

Sorry you feel that way toward Steve, he is one of the most educated and tactful guys on this borard. If someone comes on here and feels the need to ridicule him it tells me that they had their mind made up from the start. I feel sorry for you that you lost the best opportunity on this board to educate yourself.
 
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