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25 People To Blame for the Financial Crisis

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Anonymous

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I definitely agree with #1 Gramm and #2 Cox...My # 3 would have been Alan Greenspan, followed by#4 being all the GREED over ETHICs WallStreet Bankers and #5 being GW and #6 Clinton.....
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
I definitely agree with #1 Gramm and #2 Cox...My # 3 would have been Alan Greenspan, followed by#4 being all the GREED over ETHICs WallStreet Bankers and #5 being GW and #6 Clinton.....

OT you left out YOU, ME and the rest demanding high returns on our investments. We share the blame as well. Oh and Graham was not #1.. that was 'Slick Willy".
 

Sandhusker

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They list Angelo Mozillo, but fail to list Chris Dodd, the Chairman of the Banking Committee whom Mozillo was bribing? Had Dodd not been on the take, Mozillo wouldn't of been able to dump all that crap on Fannie.

What about Barney Frank?
 

TSR

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TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
I definitely agree with #1 Gramm and #2 Cox...My # 3 would have been Alan Greenspan, followed by#4 being all the GREED over ETHICs WallStreet Bankers and #5 being GW and #6 Clinton.....

OT you left out YOU, ME and the rest demanding high returns on our investments. We share the blame as well. Oh and Graham was not #1.. that was 'Slick Willy".

My computer says it was GW Bush with ~ 160k votes
 

Sandhusker

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TSR said:
TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
I definitely agree with #1 Gramm and #2 Cox...My # 3 would have been Alan Greenspan, followed by#4 being all the GREED over ETHICs WallStreet Bankers and #5 being GW and #6 Clinton.....

OT you left out YOU, ME and the rest demanding high returns on our investments. We share the blame as well. Oh and Graham was not #1.. that was 'Slick Willy".

My computer says it was GW Bush with ~ 160k votes

Your computer isn't aware that Bush tried several times to put more regulations on Fannie and Freddie - only to be blocked by the Democrats.
 

TSR

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Sandhusker said:
TSR said:
TexasBred said:
OT you left out YOU, ME and the rest demanding high returns on our investments. We share the blame as well. Oh and Graham was not #1.. that was 'Slick Willy".

My computer says it was GW Bush with ~ 160k votes

Your computer isn't aware that Bush tried several times to put more regulations on Fannie and Freddie - only to be blocked by the Democrats.

But I am aware that if Mike's post was correct that Bush hired more regulators than any president in recent history. And again, Did those regulators do their job? What was their job? To regulate or turn their backs and probably take in a little lobbyists' money themselves? Why didn't Bush go on national tv and plead his plight with the American people? (Seems like Obama is adept at doing so, maybe a little too often) Why didn't he use his veto power to get what you and others say he wanted so badly? Was he that poor of a politician/Pres. ?
 

Sandhusker

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TSR, "But I am aware that if Mike's post was correct that Bush hired more regulators than any president in recent history. And again, Did those regulators do their job? What was their job? To regulate or turn their backs and probably take in a little lobbyists' money themselves? Why didn't Bush go on national tv and plead his plight with the American people? (Seems like Obama is adept at doing so, maybe a little too often) Why didn't he use his veto power to get what you and others say he wanted so badly? Was he that poor of a politician/Pres. ?"

Veto what? He couldn't get the regulations even passed because the Democrats said they would fillibuster it if it reached the floor for a vote! That is documented, TSR.

Interestingly enough, it's also documented that the Democrat leading the Senate Banking Committee, Chris Dodd, was on the take from the very people he was supposed to regulate! Do you think that had anything to do with the threat to fillibuster?
 

TSR

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Sandhusker said:
TSR, "But I am aware that if Mike's post was correct that Bush hired more regulators than any president in recent history. And again, Did those regulators do their job? What was their job? To regulate or turn their backs and probably take in a little lobbyists' money themselves? Why didn't Bush go on national tv and plead his plight with the American people? (Seems like Obama is adept at doing so, maybe a little too often) Why didn't he use his veto power to get what you and others say he wanted so badly? Was he that poor of a politician/Pres. ?"

Veto what? He couldn't get the regulations even passed because the Democrats said they would fillibuster it if it reached the floor for a vote! That is documented, TSR.

Interestingly enough, it's also documented that the Democrat leading the Senate Banking Committee, Chris Dodd, was on the take from the very people he was supposed to regulate! Do you think that had anything to do with the threat to fillibuster?

Shusker I think you're missing my point. Are you saying that the Dem's didn't have any bills they wanted passed? I am sure they did during Bush's tenure. He could have easily said he would veto those bills even if they passed, without him getting what he wanted.
And again had Bush gone on national tv (to the American people) with this financial mess hit, then the Dems would have been up that proverbial creek it seems to me. Smething just isn't adding up here Shusker. I just don't believe Bush had the desire or he really didn't know just how big a mess was on the horizon.
 
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TSR said:
Sandhusker said:
TSR, "But I am aware that if Mike's post was correct that Bush hired more regulators than any president in recent history. And again, Did those regulators do their job? What was their job? To regulate or turn their backs and probably take in a little lobbyists' money themselves? Why didn't Bush go on national tv and plead his plight with the American people? (Seems like Obama is adept at doing so, maybe a little too often) Why didn't he use his veto power to get what you and others say he wanted so badly? Was he that poor of a politician/Pres. ?"

Veto what? He couldn't get the regulations even passed because the Democrats said they would fillibuster it if it reached the floor for a vote! That is documented, TSR.

Interestingly enough, it's also documented that the Democrat leading the Senate Banking Committee, Chris Dodd, was on the take from the very people he was supposed to regulate! Do you think that had anything to do with the threat to fillibuster?

Shusker I think you're missing my point. Are you saying that the Dem's didn't have any bills they wanted passed? I am sure they did during Bush's tenure. He could have easily said he would veto those bills even if they passed, without him getting what he wanted.
And again had Bush gone on national tv (to the American people) with this financial mess hit, then the Dems would have been up that proverbial creek it seems to me. Smething just isn't adding up here Shusker. I just don't believe Bush had the desire or he really didn't know just how big a mess was on the horizon.

TSR- you can argue til your blue in the face- and this crew will accept no responsibility/blame put on their annointed Savior Bush and anyone like Gramm that had an (R) by their name...Not even when they controlled the majority of Congress for 12 years- 6 of which they also controlled the White House :???: :roll:

It has become apparent after listening to all the rightwinger excuses that the only folks that do anything- or have any authority must be Dems- because they did everything- controlled everything-- and the wittle Repubs all sat back and peed their pants in frustration because they weren't allowed to play- even tho they outnumbered the Dems :roll: :wink: :lol: :p
 

Sandhusker

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OT, why are the Democrats trying to hard to get 60 seats? I'll tell you why, SO THEY HAVE A FILLIBUSTER PROOF MAJORITY. Bush and the Republicans never had that, thus the Democrat promise to fillibuster any reform of Fannie and Freddie was a promise they could fulfill. Why do you refuse to acknowledge those FACTS? The collapse of Fannie and Freddie and subsequent banking meltdown WERE CAUSED BY DEMOCRAT POLICIES THAT THE REPUBLICANS SAW COMING BUT WERE UNABLE TO THWART BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE 60 SEATS TO STOP A FILLIBUSTER.

What I have just presented are undisputable facts. UNDISPUTABLE! Tell me where I'm wrong, just give it a try! The Democrats caused it and then blocked any and all efforts to fix the problems. FACT. YOU libs are the ones who won't accept responsibility and shift blame.
 
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