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U.S. Senate: Illegal aliens must commit three DUI’s before they can be deported
By Dave Gibson, Immigration Reform Examiner
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On Thursday, the Senate Judiciary Committee approved a measure which would make three DUI convictions an aggravated felony, and a deportable offense. Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) introduced the legislative action as an amendment to the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2011 (S. 1925).

Sen. Grassley’s original amendment called for the policy to be applied retroactively to all DUIs. Expressing the urgency for such a policy, Grassley cited the case of Sister Denise Mosier who was killed by Carlos A. Martinelly Montano, a drunk driving illegal alien in Virginia in 2010. It was Martinelly Montano’s third DUI in five years. http://www.examiner.com/immigration-reform-in-national/illegal-alien-convicted-of-murdering-nun-virginia

However, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-VT) objected to the retroactive portion of the amendment , saying it "goes against the sense of overall fairness" and instead, offered his own amendment which removed the retroactive clause. The Committee then passed the measure by a vote of 11-7.




It now moves to the full Senate.

So, what does this mean?

Effectively, if the bill passes and is signed into law, the federal government will only consider an illegal alien DUI offender for deportation, after he/she has accrued three convictions.

That’s three convictions recorded after the bill becomes law.
 

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If a Canadian has a twenty year old DUI and hasn't had a drink since, they can't visit the US to shop for a day but an ILLEGAL can have three DUI's before they get deported. :roll:
 

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Meanwhile, if a wetback gets his/her first DUI, the goverment has in their custody an illegal alien that they KNOW is illegal, already in custody, but the crime of being illegal is completely ignored and they will be set free like it doesn't exist. Just how in the hell does this make sense?
 

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this absurd action by congress shows how "stupid" our elected officials have become...

in most countries.. if you commit a crime you get jailed and then once you serve the sentence you are deported..

can't these idiots just enforce the law?
 

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Steve said:
this absurd action by congress shows how "stupid" our elected officials have become...

in most countries.. if you commit a crime you get jailed and then once you serve the sentence you are deported..

can't these idiots just enforce the law?

Why can't we enforce these idiots? The biggest problem with the idiots is that they are doing exactly what a bunch of other idiots want them to do.

I'm past PO'ed and am now just ashamed that so many people gave their life for this country, so our generation can pi$$ it all away.

Just goes to show that if you give someone something for free, most just won't appreciate it unless they have had to work for it.

We are headed for a place worse than where we are now.
 
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We have much the same within our own country- with the sovereign Indian nations- where the first DUI penalty is 3 hours in jail (til you are sober enough to walk out) and usually a $25 fine... A non-tribal riding with the drunk tribal driver gets a bigger fine for open container :shock: :roll:

Penalties rise a little after that- but under Reservation laws- there is no such thing as a real felony (unless you kill someone- which (could?) make it a Federal case)... Its traveller beware when going thru a reservation...

As far as the illegal immigrants-- I only wish some of you would watch the congressional hearings on immigrants when they go on- and see that there are few of either party R or D fighting against it.... D's all want them as potential voters-- R's want them because all their big dollar lobbyiests (including the US Chamber of Commerce) say they need them for cheap labor..

Unless you flush the whole pot in D.C.- and remove the total Lobbyiest influence-- the illegals will be here- and thru years of precedent- gaining more and more rights given to them by our Congress.....
 

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Leahy should be castrated...........................

At least the Republicans want them to follow the law and not be a danger to society..................................

Not much you can do for Indians on the Rez.....................
 
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Mike said:
Leahy should be castrated...........................

At least the Republicans want them to follow the law and not be a danger to society
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Not much you can do for Indians on the Rez.....................

On Thursday, the Senate Judiciary Committee approved a measure which would make three DUI convictions an aggravated felony, and a deportable offense. Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) introduced the legislative action as an amendment to the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2011 (S. 1925).

Sen. Grassley’s original amendment called for the policy to be applied retroactively to all DUIs. Expressing the urgency for such a policy, Grassley cited the case of Sister Denise Mosier who was killed by Carlos A. Martinelly Montano, a drunk driving illegal alien in Virginia in 2010. It was Martinelly Montano’s third DUI in five years. http://www.examiner.com/immigration-reform-in-national/illegal-alien-convicted-of-murdering-nun-virginia

However, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-VT) objected to the retroactive portion of the amendment , saying it "goes against the sense of overall fairness" and instead, offered his own amendment which removed the retroactive clause. The Committee then passed the measure by a vote of 11-7.

An ex post facto law (from the Latin for "from after the action") or retroactive law is a law that retroactively changes the legal consequences (or status) of actions committed or relationships that existed prior to the enactment of the law. In reference to criminal law, it may criminalize actions that were legal when committed; or it may aggravate a crime by bringing it into a more severe category than it was in at the time it was committed; or it may change or increase the punishment prescribed for a crime, such as by adding new penalties or extending terms; or it may alter the rules of evidence in order to make conviction for a crime more likely than it would have been at the time of the action for which a defendant is prosecuted.

How about Grassleys (Republicans) law going against the Constitution... :???:

Leahy's amendment is probably all that would allow the whole law to stand up to Judicial scrutiny... The law- following the Constitution- has long said you can't put in laws or penalties after the fact.... The law has long maintained that the law at time of the first offense has to be the law followed...


In the United States, the federal government is prohibited from passing ex post facto laws by clause 3 of Article I, section 9 of the U.S. Constitution and the states are prohibited from the same by clause 1 of Article I, section 10.
 

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Democrats control the Senate and they don't want to deport some of their VOTERS.
 

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So...........I guess before this law introduced there were no laws concerning illegal immigrants breaking said law and being deported? :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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Mike said:
So...........I guess before this law introduced there were no laws concerning illegal immigrants breaking said law and being deported? :lol: :lol: :lol:

That, and OT whining about someone going against the Constitution, make me LOL.
 

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Oldtimer said:
Unless you flush the whole pot in D.C.- and remove the total Lobbyiest influence-- the illegals will be here- and thru years of precedent- gaining more and more rights given to them by our Congress.....

The list of lobbyists in the Obama administration
posted at 1:30 pm on February 3, 2009 by Ed MorrisseyThe Times of India claimed that Barack Obama had appointed seventeen lobbyists to high government positions in the first 14 days of his administration. Politico provided a list of twelve of these last week, a handy reference with which we can start building our lists of “exceptions” to the Obama Administration Ethics Policy:
Here are former lobbyists Obama has tapped for top jobs:
•Eric Holder, attorney general nominee, was registered to lobby until 2004 on behalf of clients including Global Crossing, a bankrupt telecommunications firm [now confirmed].
•Tom Vilsack, secretary of agriculture nominee, was registered to lobby as recently as last year on behalf of the National Education Association.
•William Lynn, deputy defense secretary nominee, was registered to lobby as recently as last year for defense contractor Raytheon, where he was a top executive.
•William Corr, deputy health and human services secretary nominee, was registered to lobby until last year for the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, a non-profit that pushes to limit tobacco use.
•David Hayes, deputy interior secretary nominee, was registered to lobby until 2006 for clients, including the regional utility San Diego Gas & Electric.
•Mark Patterson, chief of staff to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, was registered to lobby as recently as last year for financial giant Goldman Sachs.
•Ron Klain, chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden, was registered to lobby until 2005 for clients, including the Coalition for Asbestos Resolution, U.S. Airways, Airborne Express and drug-maker ImClone.
•Mona Sutphen, deputy White House chief of staff, was registered to lobby for clients, including Angliss International in 2003.
•Melody Barnes, domestic policy council director, lobbied in 2003 and 2004 for liberal advocacy groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the American Constitution Society and the Center for Reproductive Rights.
•Cecilia Munoz, White House director of intergovernmental affairs, was a lobbyist as recently as last year for the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group.
•Patrick Gaspard, White House political affairs director, was a lobbyist for the Service Employees International Union.
•Michael Strautmanis, chief of staff to the president’s assistant for intergovernmental relations, lobbied for the American Association of Justice from 2001 until 2005.
This doesn’t count Tom Daschle, who never registered as a lobbyist but got paid millions for his political connections in pursuit of preferential treatment for his clients in the health-care industry. The AP notes this in today’s look at the Lobbyist Administration:

Oldtimer claims Lobbyist influence needs to be removed from DC but he CONTINUELY DEFENDS the action of Obama and his lobbyist filled Administration. Does anyone else find this strange? :roll:
 

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Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Unless you flush the whole pot in D.C.- and remove the total Lobbyiest influence-- the illegals will be here- and thru years of precedent- gaining more and more rights given to them by our Congress.....

The list of lobbyists in the Obama administration
posted at 1:30 pm on February 3, 2009 by Ed MorrisseyThe Times of India claimed that Barack Obama had appointed seventeen lobbyists to high government positions in the first 14 days of his administration. Politico provided a list of twelve of these last week, a handy reference with which we can start building our lists of “exceptions” to the Obama Administration Ethics Policy:
Here are former lobbyists Obama has tapped for top jobs:
•Eric Holder, attorney general nominee, was registered to lobby until 2004 on behalf of clients including Global Crossing, a bankrupt telecommunications firm [now confirmed].
•Tom Vilsack, secretary of agriculture nominee, was registered to lobby as recently as last year on behalf of the National Education Association.
•William Lynn, deputy defense secretary nominee, was registered to lobby as recently as last year for defense contractor Raytheon, where he was a top executive.
•William Corr, deputy health and human services secretary nominee, was registered to lobby until last year for the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, a non-profit that pushes to limit tobacco use.
•David Hayes, deputy interior secretary nominee, was registered to lobby until 2006 for clients, including the regional utility San Diego Gas & Electric.
•Mark Patterson, chief of staff to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, was registered to lobby as recently as last year for financial giant Goldman Sachs.
•Ron Klain, chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden, was registered to lobby until 2005 for clients, including the Coalition for Asbestos Resolution, U.S. Airways, Airborne Express and drug-maker ImClone.
•Mona Sutphen, deputy White House chief of staff, was registered to lobby for clients, including Angliss International in 2003.
•Melody Barnes, domestic policy council director, lobbied in 2003 and 2004 for liberal advocacy groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the American Constitution Society and the Center for Reproductive Rights.
•Cecilia Munoz, White House director of intergovernmental affairs, was a lobbyist as recently as last year for the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group.
•Patrick Gaspard, White House political affairs director, was a lobbyist for the Service Employees International Union.
•Michael Strautmanis, chief of staff to the president’s assistant for intergovernmental relations, lobbied for the American Association of Justice from 2001 until 2005.
This doesn’t count Tom Daschle, who never registered as a lobbyist but got paid millions for his political connections in pursuit of preferential treatment for his clients in the health-care industry. The AP notes this in today’s look at the Lobbyist Administration:

Oldtimer claims Lobbyist influence needs to be removed from DC but he CONTINUELY DEFENDS the action of Obama and his lobbyist filled Administration. Does anyone else find this strange? :roll:

If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. :roll:
 

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