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34 WERE UNTRACEABLE

Bill

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ranch hand said:
Bill said:
HAY MAKER said:
Can you not understand your post Miss Tam ?........................



APHIS and State investigators were unable to find any related animals except for the two most recent calves of the index animal. The most recent calf was located at the same farm as the index animal and the second calf died the year before. No other animals of interest were located. The living calf of the BSE-positive animal is currently being held at APHIS’ National Veterinary Services Laboratory in Ames, Iowa, for observation.


NO RELATED ANIMALS,..........NO OTHER ANIMALS OF INTEREST, the differnce between this cow and your "NAIS"to locate 34 animals that were directly related and or consumed the same feed,and not located because of ........listen closely now Miss Tam,34 were not located ,due to lack of information,is like comparing nite to day...................good luck

Convenient of you to leave this part out as usual.
“APHIS’ investigation did not reveal the BSE-positive animal’s herd of origin.
What part of that don't you understand. They don't know where she was born or how many herds she resided in.

Was she from a herd of 3 or 34 or 340 or 3400?

I would agree it is like comparing night and day and it's obvious who is the one in the dark.


Bill you can only ID her to the herd she was born in, not all following places she may have resided at. If the other herd mates were sold then how do you trace them on? Do ALL of you keep records of who and where any animals you buy come from?
That may be the case in some instances. Canada's system may not be perfect but it is far better than anything the US has implemented.
 

Tam

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HAY MAKER said:
Can you not understand your post Miss Tam ?........................



APHIS and State investigators were unable to find any related animals except for the two most recent calves of the index animal. The most recent calf was located at the same farm as the index animal and the second calf died the year before. No other animals of interest were located. The living calf of the BSE-positive animal is currently being held at APHIS’ National Veterinary Services Laboratory in Ames, Iowa, for observation.


NO RELATED ANIMALS,..........NO OTHER ANIMALS OF INTEREST, the differnce between this cow and your "NAIS"to locate 34 animals that were directly related and or consumed the same feed,and not located because of ........listen closely now Miss Tam,34 were not located ,due to lack of information,is like comparing nite to day...................good luck
LISTEN CLOSELY HAYMAKER NO RELATED CATTLE WERE FOUND IN THE US BECAUSE APHIS AND THE FDA HAD NO IDEA WHERE TO LOOK. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OTHER CATTLE ATE THE SAME FEED AS APHIS AND THE FDA DON'T KNOW WHERE TO LOOK. YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THE FEED CAME FROM BECAUSE APHIS AND THE FDA DIDN'T FIND THE BIRTHPLACE. I doubt she was the lone cow on the ranch where she was born Haymaker so somewhere there will be a birth herd cohort and guess what you don't know how many there was as Aphis and the FDA don't know and they have finalized they investigation on the matter. There could have been 50 or more but you will never know will you? :roll: SAy Haymaker I have asked this countless time but I still haven't got an answer. IF ALL CANADIAN BEEF IS TO BE QUARANTINED BECAUSE IT PRESENTS A HEALTH RISK THEN WHY ISN'T AT LEAST TEXAS AND ALABAMA BEEF QUARANTINED? AT LEAST WE FOUND THE BIRTH HERDS AND KNOW HOW MANY CATTLE MAY HAVE BEEN EXPOSED. THAT IS FAR MORE THAN YOU CAN SAY.
 

HAY MAKER

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Tam said:
HAY MAKER said:
Can you not understand your post Miss Tam ?........................



APHIS and State investigators were unable to find any related animals except for the two most recent calves of the index animal. The most recent calf was located at the same farm as the index animal and the second calf died the year before. No other animals of interest were located. The living calf of the BSE-positive animal is currently being held at APHIS’ National Veterinary Services Laboratory in Ames, Iowa, for observation.


NO RELATED ANIMALS,..........NO OTHER ANIMALS OF INTEREST, the differnce between this cow and your "NAIS"to locate 34 animals that were directly related and or consumed the same feed,and not located because of ........listen closely now Miss Tam,34 were not located ,due to lack of information,is like comparing nite to day...................good luck
LISTEN CLOSELY HAYMAKER NO RELATED CATTLE WERE FOUND IN THE US BECAUSE APHIS AND THE FDA HAD NO IDEA WHERE TO LOOK. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OTHER CATTLE ATE THE SAME FEED AS APHIS AND THE FDA DON'T KNOW WHERE TO LOOK. YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THE FEED CAME FROM BECAUSE APHIS AND THE FDA DIDN'T FIND THE BIRTHPLACE. I doubt she was the lone cow on the ranch where she was born Haymaker so somewhere there will be a birth herd cohort and guess what you don't know how many there was as Aphis and the FDA don't know and they have finalized they investigation on the matter. There could have been 50 or more but you will never know will you? :roll: SAy Haymaker I have asked this countless time but I still haven't got an answer. IF ALL CANADIAN BEEF IS TO BE QUARANTINED BECAUSE IT PRESENTS A HEALTH RISK THEN WHY ISN'T AT LEAST TEXAS AND ALABAMA BEEF QUARANTINED? AT LEAST WE FOUND THE BIRTH HERDS AND KNOW HOW MANY CATTLE MAY HAVE BEEN EXPOSED. THAT IS FAR MORE THAN YOU CAN SAY.


Miss Tam,you are flogging a dead cow,can you say the word "PRE" ?....................good luck
 

Bill

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HAY MAKER said:
Tam said:
HAY MAKER said:
Can you not understand your post Miss Tam ?........................



APHIS and State investigators were unable to find any related animals except for the two most recent calves of the index animal. The most recent calf was located at the same farm as the index animal and the second calf died the year before. No other animals of interest were located. The living calf of the BSE-positive animal is currently being held at APHIS’ National Veterinary Services Laboratory in Ames, Iowa, for observation.


NO RELATED ANIMALS,..........NO OTHER ANIMALS OF INTEREST, the differnce between this cow and your "NAIS"to locate 34 animals that were directly related and or consumed the same feed,and not located because of ........listen closely now Miss Tam,34 were not located ,due to lack of information,is like comparing nite to day...................good luck
LISTEN CLOSELY HAYMAKER NO RELATED CATTLE WERE FOUND IN THE US BECAUSE APHIS AND THE FDA HAD NO IDEA WHERE TO LOOK. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OTHER CATTLE ATE THE SAME FEED AS APHIS AND THE FDA DON'T KNOW WHERE TO LOOK. YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THE FEED CAME FROM BECAUSE APHIS AND THE FDA DIDN'T FIND THE BIRTHPLACE. I doubt she was the lone cow on the ranch where she was born Haymaker so somewhere there will be a birth herd cohort and guess what you don't know how many there was as Aphis and the FDA don't know and they have finalized they investigation on the matter. There could have been 50 or more but you will never know will you? :roll: SAy Haymaker I have asked this countless time but I still haven't got an answer. IF ALL CANADIAN BEEF IS TO BE QUARANTINED BECAUSE IT PRESENTS A HEALTH RISK THEN WHY ISN'T AT LEAST TEXAS AND ALABAMA BEEF QUARANTINED? AT LEAST WE FOUND THE BIRTH HERDS AND KNOW HOW MANY CATTLE MAY HAVE BEEN EXPOSED. THAT IS FAR MORE THAN YOU CAN SAY.


Miss Tam,you are flogging a dead cow,can you say the word "PRE" ?....................good luck
Still working hard at getting that other foot in your mouth huh Haymaker.

First the US has no BSE but Canada did? The WHOOPS there it was.

Next the US didn't have any in its native herd then WHOOPS there it was!

You sang about Canada having more BSE cases than the US and WHOOPS....Phyllis Fong started showing the US testing program for all the flaws it has including yesterdays allegation of corruption.

Now the US supposedly doesn't have any born post-feed ban and WHOOPS...............

Well guess what Haymaker, talk is that it is quite likely the Alabama cow was born POST feed ban.

Tine for you to switch feet Haymaker.
 

Tommy

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Bill...Well guess what Haymaker, talk is that it is quite likely the Alabama cow was born POST feed ban.

Bill is that coffee shop talk?


Quote from Alberta Beef Producers Weekly Update...The investigation did not reveal the BSE-positive animal’s herd of origin and the report says this was not entirely unexpected due to the age of the animal, along with its lack of identifying brands, tattoos and tags. USDA officials have relied upon dentition to specify the age. The report said the cow had short teeth with some incisors missing, which "is consistent with the dentition of other cattle from Alabama with a known age of 10 or more years."
 

HAY MAKER

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Bill said:
HAY MAKER said:
Tam said:
LISTEN CLOSELY HAYMAKER NO RELATED CATTLE WERE FOUND IN THE US BECAUSE APHIS AND THE FDA HAD NO IDEA WHERE TO LOOK. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OTHER CATTLE ATE THE SAME FEED AS APHIS AND THE FDA DON'T KNOW WHERE TO LOOK. YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THE FEED CAME FROM BECAUSE APHIS AND THE FDA DIDN'T FIND THE BIRTHPLACE. I doubt she was the lone cow on the ranch where she was born Haymaker so somewhere there will be a birth herd cohort and guess what you don't know how many there was as Aphis and the FDA don't know and they have finalized they investigation on the matter. There could have been 50 or more but you will never know will you? :roll: SAy Haymaker I have asked this countless time but I still haven't got an answer. IF ALL CANADIAN BEEF IS TO BE QUARANTINED BECAUSE IT PRESENTS A HEALTH RISK THEN WHY ISN'T AT LEAST TEXAS AND ALABAMA BEEF QUARANTINED? AT LEAST WE FOUND THE BIRTH HERDS AND KNOW HOW MANY CATTLE MAY HAVE BEEN EXPOSED. THAT IS FAR MORE THAN YOU CAN SAY.


Miss Tam,you are flogging a dead cow,can you say the word "PRE" ?....................good luck
Still working hard at getting that other foot in your mouth huh Haymaker.

First the US has no BSE but Canada did? The WHOOPS there it was.

Next the US didn't have any in its native herd then WHOOPS there it was!

You sang about Canada having more BSE cases than the US and WHOOPS....Phyllis Fong started showing the US testing program for all the flaws it has including yesterdays allegation of corruption.

Now the US supposedly doesn't have any born post-feed ban and WHOOPS...............

Well guess what Haymaker, talk is that it is quite likely the Alabama cow was born POST feed ban.

Tine for you to switch feet Haymaker.


Well,Billie boy,maybe if you had your foot in your mouth instead of your head in your ass,you could see a lil better,hopefully other canadian cattle men are working hard to comply with your feed ban,after you have proven compliance,and the risk of "BSE" is minimized maybe "OTM" cattle will be allowed back in the good ole USA..................good luck
 

Bill

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Tommy said:
Bill...Well guess what Haymaker, talk is that it is quite likely the Alabama cow was born POST feed ban.

Bill is that coffee shop talk?


Quote from Alberta Beef Producers Weekly Update...The investigation did not reveal the BSE-positive animal’s herd of origin and the report says this was not entirely unexpected due to the age of the animal, along with its lack of identifying brands, tattoos and tags. USDA officials have relied upon dentition to specify the age. The report said the cow had short teeth with some incisors missing, which "is consistent with the dentition of other cattle from Alabama with a known age of 10 or more years."

Actually No it isn't. It came from two American producers and they stay away from the coffee shop.
 

Tommy

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Bill...Actually No it isn't. It came from two American producers and they stay away from the coffee shop.

Still hearsay.
 

Bill

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Tommy said:
Bill...Actually No it isn't. It came from two American producers and they stay away from the coffee shop.

Still hearsay.

Yep just like we were told for 7 months after May 2003 that there was no BSE in the US and then for another year that there was no BSE in the native US herd.

Just hearsay. :roll:
 

memanpa

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ranch hand said:
You would check the brand to the states that had it registered and then pursue your records that the brand people of that state had. IF all states had a brand as M'ID it would be easier as the movement of cows would all be recorded. Every time a branded animal moves out of county in my state there is a record of it in the state brand office.

ranchand in perfect theory you are correct about brands, BUt lets look at this true scenreo!! i own property in two states and run cattle on both places, however i have one brand for one state and another for the other, (states are not connected) the brand i use in oklahoma is owned by another ranch here in az therefore i could not have the same one in two states, not often but occasionally i transpeort cattle from one state to the other all permits and inspections as required, here is where your theory falls apart,
cattle from oklahoma shiped to az with a brand from ok on it that belongs to another ranch in az, cattle do not get rebranded in az (a point only)
cattle get sold with the ok brand on it LEGAL cattle then get branded by new owner, some time passes and they are now resold and moved to yet a 3rd state tracability is basically lost, even though all inspections have been completed.
i personally know that my oklahoma brand is being used in at least 3 states.
do you follow what i am trying to point out?
 

frenchie

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HAY MAKER said:
Canada concludes search for BSE animals of interest
Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 11:50 AM

by Bob Meyer

The Canadian Food Safety and Inspection Agency (CFIA) has concluded the search for animals of interest in the latest case of BSE in the country. CFIA traced a total of 146 cattle from the affected animal’s feed cohort and its two offspring. They report of that group, 74 had died, 34 were untraceable due to lack of information, 23 live cattle were located and 15 were exported to the United States. Of the 23 live cattle, the Agency says they tested twelve head, all tests were negative. The remaining 11 head are being evaluated for compensation purposes and will be tested shortly. The Agency continues to investigate feed sources in the case.

This was the fifth case of BSE found in Canada. The six-year-old cow was first suspected on April 13th and confirmed positive on April 16th. Canadian officials say no part of the animal entered the animal or human food chain.

But they really cant say that the 34 that were untraceable with this Canadian super sonic "NAIS" were not your supper...................good luck

Hay Maker Just for the record

When Did It Start?

The Program began January 1, 2001 in which all cattle must be tagged with an approved CCIA ear tag upon leaving their farm of origin. Full enforcement of the program by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, with monetary penalties, began on July 1, 2002

On July 1, 2001 all packing plants began reading all tags, transferring the information to the carcass and maintaining that identity to the point of carcass inspection. This includes provincially inspected plants and non-inspected plants.



Considering the fact that full enforcement of the C.C.I.A program only occured less than 4 yrs ago...Its not surprising that some were untraceable. If anything it underscores the need for mandatory cattle I.D programs.
 

Murgen

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Japan has taken temporary measures in response to Canada’s fifth BSE case. The Federation’s Japan Office reports that, as of April 17, 2006, all Canadian beef imports, including those already arrived in Japan but not yet cleared through customs, require an additional certificate issued by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency certifying that
cohorts or progeny of the BSE cow are not included in the shipment. This same measure was put into effect following Canada’s January 2005 BSE case. The measure will be removed once the cohorts and progeny have been traced.

Beef is once again moving, cattle were traced to Japan's satisfaction, I guess ?
 

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