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600,000 New Government Employees???

Mike

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Prez-Elect Makes New Pitch, Promises on Job Creation -- Including 600,000 New Government Employees
ABC News ^ | January 03, 2009 | Jake Tapper


In his radio address today, President-elect Obama uses some new language when discussing what he wants the stimulus package to achieve in terms of jobs. First off, he has a name for the package -- the "American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan."

The president-elect says he wants to "create three million new jobs" -- this is a change from a few weeks ago, when he said he wanted the plan to create OR SAVE two million jobs.

He says the "No. 1 goal of my plan ... is to create three million new jobs, more than 80 percent of them in the private sector.”

If you do the math: 20 percent of three million means 600,000 new government employees.

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jigs

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what bothers me,is.....Obama never wore a hat. most magicians wear hats. if Obama does not have a hat to pull these macical jobs out of, then he must be gonna pull them out of his ass.
 

fff

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I don't know if 600,000 is a good number, but the size of our government is the smallest since 1993. Bush has simply refused to fill positions, much less add new ones, while our population has grown.

We need more traffic controllers, border patrol agents, inspectors of foreign imports. People are waiting years for their disability claims to be settled while they lose their homes and go through their savings because of the long wait for Social Security decisions. And then there are all those GIs coming home from Iraq with mental and physical needs; all that damaged military equipment to be repaired. There's a push to grow the military; they need civilian support for that, too.
 

Tam

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fff said:
I don't know if 600,000 is a good number, but the size of our government is the smallest since 1993. Bush has simply refused to fill positions, much less add new ones, while our population has grown.

We need more traffic controllers, border patrol agents, inspectors of foreign imports. People are waiting years for their disability claims to be settled while they lose their homes and go through their savings because of the long wait for Social Security decisions. And then there are all those GIs coming home from Iraq with mental and physical needs; all that damaged military equipment to be repaired. There's a push to grow the military; they need civilian support for that, too.

Where do you live fff if you think the US needs more Border patrol agents. In the eighty's one man patrolled the border where I live and since 9/11 there is now about 20 patrolling that same friendly border area. Who do you think gave the OK to hire those extra border patrol agents if it wasn't Bush, the person you say refuses to fill positions. If they need more on the southern border I suggest they take a few of the guys that sit on top of every hill in the north and move them south. Maybe they could take a few of the Customs officers that now stand three deep to check through one person and shift them to the south too. :roll:
 

hopalong

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fff said:
I don't know if 600,000 is a good number, but the size of our government is the smallest since 1993. Bush has simply refused to fill positions, much less add new ones, while our population has grown.

We need more traffic controllers, border patrol agents, inspectors of foreign imports. People are waiting years for their disability claims to be settled while they lose their homes and go through their savings because of the long wait for Social Security decisions. And then there are all those GIs coming home from Iraq with mental and physical needs; all that damaged military equipment to be repaired. There's a push to grow the military; they need civilian support for that, too.

Could you post a link that supports your claim that people wait yrs for SSI claims to be adjudicated, I found nothing of the sort for legitimate claims, more like 4 months.

You are so full of it your eyes are brown.
 

Tam

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fff said:
I don't know if 600,000 is a good number, but the size of our government is the smallest since 1993. Bush has simply refused to fill positions, much less add new ones, while our population has grown.

We need more traffic controllers, border patrol agents, inspectors of foreign imports. [/b]


Customs and Border Protection Jobs

Border Patrol works to secure the 6,000 miles of international border with Canada and Mexico, and the 2,000 miles of coastal waters around Florida and Puerto Rico.

In 2006, President George W. Bush announced his commitment to add 6,000 additional Border Patrol agents by the end of 2008. To do this, the Border Patrol ramped up its traditional recruiting efforts with additional creative ways to increase the number of qualified agents.

With respect to Border Patrol staffing, Dunlop said the agency has seen a dramatic increase since the President took office in fiscal year 2002. At the end of fiscal year 2001, CBP started with approximately 9,800 Border Patrol agents, Dunlop said. Today, their numbers are more than 16,690. "Our goal for the end of 2008 is 18,000 Border Patrol agents on duty ('boots on the ground') and we are on track to meet that goal," Dunlop said.

8000 miles of border and 18,000 agents on duty (boots on the ground) and all to protect you and you claim Bush refuses to fill position let alone create new ones. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

Tam

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fff wrote
We need more traffic controllers, border patrol agents, inspectors of foreign imports
Now that we know the Customs and Border Protection is hiring let's see who else isn't hiring OK fff :wink:


The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) was a post-9/11 creation that resulted from the Aviation Transportation Security Act. If you have flown at any time over the past seven years, you are probably familiar with TSA and its most visible representatives, Transportation Safety Officers (TSOs).

The great thing about being a TSO is that there are a huge number of openings in almost any locale, and the government has become very creative about trying to fill these spots. They offer full-time health benefits even for part-time employees, and they have many part-time positions-an effort to make the position appealing to people with families. Also, TSAs often-changing security requirements indicate that this job function will continue to be in high demand in the coming years.

CBP hired over 8000 border agents since Bush took office and look who else they are hiring
Agriculture Specialists: With a degree in botany, horticulture or entomology, you could work as an agriculture specialist and inspect travelers and vessels entering the U.S. These workers help prevent the introduction of potentially devastating new diseases and insects into the country.

Human Resources Specialists: Because CBP is going through massive hiring right now, it's not surprising that the agency needs a strong and creative human resources department. HR specialists work to attract new hires, they screen resumes, the keep management informed about changes in employment law, and they help manage the workforce.

FEMA's hiring too
FEMA has more than 2,600 full-time employees working in Washington, D.C. and around the country. The agency now falls under the Department of Homeland Security. Considering the agency's mission, there are a wide range of jobs available across the country.
as is the FAA
Jobs with the FAA run the range from safety inspectors to air traffic controllers to program managers, computer programmers and administrative assistants. With nearly 50,000 employees, there are many possibilities in dozens of different locations across the country. For current job listings, see FAAJobs. At the time of this writing, one of the most critical FAA job needs is Air Traffic Controller.

CBP wants agents so bad that an officer at the port near us asked me one day not long ago to tell our son and daughter if they were looking for a job, US Customs was looking to hire.


Do we need to see who else Bush wasn't willing to hire fff? If there are shortages in personel I doubt it has anything to do with Bush's unwillingness to fill the positions or create new positions like you so boldly claimed.

Will Obama fill 600,000 more government jobs? My first response is why would you want him to? 600,000 more government employees on the tax payers payroll that is nuts unless you plan to be one.
My second response is, that depends on if he puts all those collecting his welfare oh sorry stimulas check (that can but don't want to work) to work . We've seen "pay to play" how about a little "work for pay"? :wink:
 

fff

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Yep, many agencies are hiring. Why? Because Bush refused to allow them to fill positions or create new ones during most of his term. Now that he's almost out of office: let's get the government back up to speed. Oh, there's no money? So sad. What happened to that Federal Budget Surplus? :mad:

The Border Patrol asked for more agents for years under Bush. He simply refused to approve them (through Homeland Secutiry). We had a major influx of illegals from Mexico most of Bush's term. Businesses loved it; they could hire illegals a lot cheaper than they could hire Americans. And all the while our southern border was a sieve, GWB was telling us how we were at risk from terrorists! How he needed his wiretapping authority to protect us. How those bad guys at GitMo should never get a trial. This, while spending ten billion dollars a month in Iraq!

Finally last year, Homeland Security announced they were going to hire something like 6,000 new Border Patrol agents this year. That's sheer political crap. Out of 20-25 recruits, the Border Patrol will get one agent that spends five or more years with them. To get 6,000 on board, trained and at work in one year is ridiculous.

President Bush’s recent overtures in support of increased security at our borders come in stark contrast to his Administration’s five-year record of consistent neglect of border security. On his watch, apprehensions of undocumented immigrants have dropped by 30 percent. We have gone from apprehending 1.7 million individuals illegally crossing our borders each year between 1996 and 2000, to just over 1 million today.



The responsibility for the lack of adequate security at our nation’s borders falls squarely on President Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress. Bush Republicans repeatedly have blocked legislative initiatives to hire and train additional border patrol agents, underfunded security measures authorized by the 9/11 Act, and failed to make critical border security programs a priority.


Our borders remain dangerously insecure and leave America vulnerable to terrorist attack. The Government Accountability Office (GAO) released a report in March that detailed how two federal investigators were able to smuggle enough nuclear material to make two dirty bombs across our northern and southern borders. The report stated that GAO investigators “transported radioactive sources across both borders…with ease,” highlighting the dangerous gaps in security that exist at our borders. (GAO, 3/28/06)



Bush Republicans underfund border security measures called for in the 9/11 Act. The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 (PL 108-458), also known as the 9/11 Act, includes several key provisions for enhancing border security. In his Fiscal Year 2006 and Fiscal Year 2007 budget requests (the two submitted since the bill’s passage), President Bush has refused to provide sufficient funds to hire the authorized number of border patrol and immigration enforcement agents. His budget proposals also have fallen short on allocations for additional detention beds.



Border patrol agents. The 9/11 Act authorized the hiring of an additional 2,000 border patrol agents over each of the next five years (2006-2010). And yet, for Fiscal Year 2006, the Republican-led Congress funded only 1,000 additional agents – just half of the agents authorized. This trend continues in next year’s budget as well, which provides funding for 1,500 border patrol agents, or 500 less than the number authorized.

Immigration enforcement agents. The 9/11 Act also mandated an additional 800 immigration enforcement agents over each of the next five years. For Fiscal Year 2006, Bush Republicans funded only 350 additional agents. And again, in next year’s budget, the Administration funds 85 fewer agents than authorized.

Detention beds. The 9/11 Act authorized new facilities to hold an additional 8,000 individuals detained for illegally crossing our border over each of the next five years. In Fiscal Year 2006, the Republican Congress funded only 1,800 additional detention beds. The President’s Fiscal Year 2007 budget again falls short: it funds 1,300 fewer beds than authorized by the 9/11 Act.

Still no terrorist watchlist. The 9/11 Commission called upon the President to work with other countries to develop a terrorist watch list that our Border Patrol officials could use to help secure our borders. Unfortunately, this was not made a priority. In the 9/11 Commission’s December 2005 report card, Bush Republicans received a “D” on international collaboration on border security. The Commission points out that there has been “no systematic diplomatic effort” to work with other countries on shared terrorist watchlists – to ensure terrorists cannot get across our borders.

Comprehensive radiation screening system still not in place. Bush Republicans have failed to deploy effective technology capable of detecting attempts by terrorists to transport weapons of mass destruction across U.S. land borders. (Democratic Staff of the House Committee on Homeland Security, Annual Report Card, 2/06)

Since 9/11, Bush Republicans have opposed Democratic amendments and legislative initiatives that would have provided an additional $3.4 billion in border security funds. Had these measures been supported, perhaps President Bush would not need to call the National Guard – a force already stretched thin – to secure our borders. (Senate Appropriations Committee, Democratic Staff)

November 14, 2001: On a Budget Act point of order, funding was blocked that included $1.1 billion for border security. The White House opposed the funding, asserting that it would “expand the size of government.”

August 13, 2002
: The President vetoed $2.5 billion of emergency spending contained in the Fiscal Year 2002 Supplemental Appropriations Act for homeland security, including $395 million for border security. The President said, “I made my opposition clear…We’ll spend none of it.”

January 16, 2003: Senate Republicans defeated a Byrd amendment to the Fiscal Year 2003 Omnibus bill that included $1 billion for border security. The White House called it “extraneous” spending.

April 3, 2003: Senate Republicans tabled a Byrd/Hollings amendment that included $160 million for border security.

July 22, 2003: Senate Republicans defeated a Byrd amendment to the Fiscal Year 2004 Homeland Security Appropriations bill that included $238 million for border security.

September 17, 2003: On a party line vote, Republicans defeated a Byrd motion in conference on the Fiscal Year 2004 Homeland Security Appropriations bill to add $125 million for border security.

September 9, 2004
: Senate Republicans defeated a Byrd amendment to the Fiscal Year 2005 Homeland Security Appropriations bill to add $111 million for border security.

October 7, 2004
: On a party line vote, Republicans defeated a Byrd/Obey/Sabo motion in conference on the Fiscal Year 2005 Homeland Security Appropriations bill to add $200 million for border security.

April 2005: The Bush Administration opposed the Byrd/Craig amendment to the Fiscal Year 2005 Supplemental Appropriations bill to add $389 million for border security. Fortunately, the amendment was approved and subsequently (despite Administration opposition), the conferees approved $274 million. As a result, there are now 500 more border patrol agents, 218 more immigration agents and investigators and 1,950 more detention beds in place, helping to secure our borders.

September 29, 2005: On a party line vote, Republicans defeated an Obey/Byrd/Sabo motion in conference on the Fiscal Year 2006 Homeland Security Appropriations bill to add $100 million for border security.
 

Mike

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Ya'll biatch about GWB spending............then biatch about him NOT spending.

Which is it? :lol: :lol:
 
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Mike said:
Ya'll biatch about GWB spending............then biatch about him NOT spending.

Which is it? :lol: :lol:

To bad he spent it all in Iraq- rather than for the benefit of the US people and taxpayers, while Iraq stuck all their earnings in the bank... :(
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
Ya'll biatch about GWB spending............then biatch about him NOT spending.

Which is it? :lol: :lol:

To bad he spent it all in Iraq- rather than for the benefit of the US people and taxpayers, while Iraq stuck all their earnings in the bank... :(

Complete stupidity deserves no answer, so Ill ask a few questions instead:

1-Do you know what was spent in Iraq compared to what the the Dems have spent in the bailout plan?

2- Do you not think that Congress has not had a say so in appropriations for the war on Terror? Since the Dems have taken over Congress, the war spending has escalated!!!
 

fff

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Mike said:
Ya'll biatch about GWB spending............then biatch about him NOT spending.

Which is it? :lol: :lol:

I'm a Democrat. I don't have any problem with goverment spending.....as long as it benefits the people in this country. And nobody has shown me that the $10billion we're spending in Iraq is benefiting, or ever has benefited, the people in this country a bit.
 

hopalong

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you have a problem of supplying facts!!!!!!
where are the facts supporting the delays in SSI payouts??"
where are the links supporting any of the crap you claim????
\or are you waiting for oldtimer to cut and paste some obscure lionk that he found while supposed to be working for the people of montana as a brand inspector(no proof there according to montana public records) justice of the peace (same reasoning NO proof according to montan records)
suppply facts not supposition
 
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