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70 vCJD victims in UK last year

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Anonymous

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vCJD claimed 70 lives last year
Monday, 05 Feb 2007 13:33

Seventy people died in the UK from variant creutzfeldt-jakob disease (vCJD) last year, government figures showed.

The latest update from the Department of Health (DoH) revealed that the number of fatalities during 2006 fell from 86 the previous year.

Apart from 2004, when only 67 people died from the disease, 70 is the lowest number of vCJD-related deaths since 1996.

vCJD is the type of CJD linked to BSE – or 'mad cow disease'.

http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/news/science/vcjd-claimed-70-lives-last-year-$1049167.htm
 

Bill

Well-known member
This spreading of lies has getten to be quite a habit with you Oldtimer.

As of Feb. 2 2007 there have been 158 deaths TOTAL in the UK attributed to vCJD with another 7 cases still alive.

http://www.cjd.ed.ac.uk/figures.htm

As a cop Dick did you ever bother to check out your sources? Did you send that to your elected representatives as well?
 
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Anonymous

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Bill said:
This spreading of lies has getten to be quite a habit with you Oldtimer.

As of Feb. 2 2007 there have been 158 deaths in the UK attributed to vCJD with another 7 cases still alive.

http://www.cjd.ed.ac.uk/figures.htm

As a cop Dick did you ever bother to check out your sources? Did you send that to your elected representatives as well?

Looks like they used all CJD deaths and not only the vCJD numbers...

You better contact these folks or the Queen or someone and tell them their mistake because this is making the e-mail news circuits today......

And thats the reason I posted the source- so you can decide on your own...
 

Bill

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Bill said:
This spreading of lies has getten to be quite a habit with you Oldtimer.

As of Feb. 2 2007 there have been 158 deaths in the UK attributed to vCJD with another 7 cases still alive.

http://www.cjd.ed.ac.uk/figures.htm

As a cop Dick did you ever bother to check out your sources? Did you send that to your elected representatives as well?

Looks like they used all CJD deaths and not only the vCJD numbers...

You better contact these folks or the Queen or someone and tell them their mistake because this is making the e-mail news circuits today......

And thats the reason I posted the source- so you can decide on your own...

I better contact them? As usual you're the one running around with fresh egg on your face. Once again the R-Klowns strike with their usual BS and half-truths.

If there were "ranchers" (I use that term VERY loosely in this case) like you guys continually throwing this BS around up here they would be hanging by their balls.
 

flounder

Well-known member
Subject: Creutzfeldt Jakob Disease statistics Monday 5 February 2007
Date: February 5, 2007 at 7:34 am PST
Monday 5 February 2007 10:57
Department of Health (National)

Monthly Creutzfeldt Jakob Disease statistics

The Department of Health is today issuing the latest information about the numbers of known cases of Creutzfeldt Jakob disease. This includes cases of variant Creutzfeldt Jakob disease (vCJD) - the form of the disease thought to be linked to BSE. The position is as follows: Definite and probable CJD cases in the UK:

As at 2 February 2007

Summary of vCJD cases

Deaths

Deaths from definite vCJD (confirmed): 112

Deaths from probable vCJD (without neuropathological confirmation): 46

Deaths from probable vCJD (neuropathological confirmation pending): 0

Number of deaths from definite or probable vCJD (as above): 158

Alive

Number of probable vCJD cases still alive: 7

Total number of definite or probable vCJD (dead and alive): 165

The next table will be published on Monday 5th March 2007

Referrals: a simple count of all the cases which have been referred to the National CJD Surveillance Unit for further investigation in the year in question. CJD may be no more than suspected; about half the cases referred in the past have turned out not to be CJD. Cases are notified to the Unit from a variety of sources including neurologists, neuropathologists, neurophysiologists, general physicians, psychiatrists, electroencephalogram (EEG) departments etc. As a safety net, death certificates coded under the specific rubrics 046.1 and 331.9 in the 9th ICD Revisions are obtained from the Office for National Statistics in England and Wales, the General Register Office for Scotland and the General Register Office for Northern Ireland.

Deaths: All columns show the number of deaths that have occurred in definite and probable cases of all types of CJD and GSS in the year shown. The figures include both cases referred to the Unit for investigation while the patient was still alive and those where CJD was only discovered post mortem (including a few cases picked up by the Unit from death certificates). There is therefore no read across from these columns to the referrals column. The figures will be subject to retrospective adjustment as diagnoses are confirmed.

Definite cases: this refers to the diagnostic status of cases. In definite cases the diagnosis will have been pathologically confirmed, in most cases by post mortem examination of brain tissue (rarely it may be possible to establish a definite diagnosis by brain biopsy while the patient is still alive).

Probable vCJD cases: are those who fulfil the 'probable' criteria set out in the Annex and are either still alive, or have died and await post mortem pathological confirmation. Those still alive will always be shown within the current year's figures.

Sporadic: Classic CJD cases with typical EEG and brain pathology. Sporadic cases appear to occur spontaneously with no identifiable cause and account for 85% of all cases.

Probable sporadic: Cases with a history of rapidly progressive dementia, typical EEG and at least two of the following clinical features; myoclonus, visual or cerebellar signs, pyramidal/extrapyramidalsigns or akinetic mutism.

Iatrogenic: where infection with classic CJD has occurred accidentally as the result of a medical procedure. All UK cases have resulted from treatment with human derived pituitary growth hormones or from grafts using dura mater (a membrane lining the skull). Familial: cases occurring in families associated with mutations in the PrP gene (10 - 15% of cases).

GSS: Gerstmann-Straussler-Scheinker syndrome - an exceedingly rare inherited autosomal dominant disease, typified by chronic progressive ataxia and terminal dementia. The clinical duration is from 2 to 10 years, much longer than for CJD.

vCJD: Variant CJD, the hitherto unrecognised variant of CJD discovered by the National CJD

Surveillance Unit and reported in The Lancet on 6 April 1996. This is characterised clinically by a progressive neuropsychiatric disorder leading to ataxia, dementia and myoclonus (or chorea) without the typical EEG appearance of CJD. Neuropathology shows marked spongiform change and extensive florid plaques throughout the brain.

Definite vCJD cases still alive: These will be cases where the diagnosis has been pathologically confirmed (by brain biopsy).

Related links

Download cjd annual stats (PDF, 145K)

Notes to editor

ANNEX

DIAGNOSTIC CRITERIA FOR VARIANT CJD

I A) PROGRESSIVE NEUROPSYCHIATRIC DISORDER

B) DURATION OF ILLNESS > 6 MONTHS

C) ROUTINE INVESTIGATIONS DO NOT SUGGEST AN ALTERNATIVE DIAGNOSIS

D) NO HISTORY OF POTENTIAL IATROGENIC EXPOSURE

II A) EARLY PSYCHIATRIC SYMPTOMS *

B) PERSISTENT PAINFUL SENSORY SYMPTOMS **

C) ATAXIA

D) MYOCLONUS OR CHOREA OR DYSTONIA

E) DEMENTIA

III A) EEG DOES NOT SHOW THE TYPICAL APPEARANCE OF SPORADIC

CJD *** (OR NO EEG PERFORMED)

B) BILATERAL PULVINAR HIGH SIGNAL ON MRI SCAN

IV A) POSITIVE TONSIL BIOPSY

DEFINITE: IA (PROGRESSIVE NEUROPSYCHIATRIC DISORDER) and NEUROPATHOLOGICAL CONFIRMATION OF vCJD ****

PROBABLE: I and 4/5 OF II and III A and III B or I and IV A

* depression, anxiety, apathy, withdrawal, delusions.

** this includes both frank pain and/ or unpleasant dysaesthesia

*** generalised triphasic periodic complexes at approximately one per second

****spongiform change and extensive PrP deposition with florid plaques, throughout the cerebrum and cerebellum.

Client ref 2007/0025

GNN ref 143618P

http://www.gnn.gov.uk/environment/fullDetail.asp?ReleaseID=261721&NewsAreaID=2&NavigatedFromDepartment=False

http://www.eurocjd.ed.ac.uk/sporadic.htm

FRANCE CJD

http://212.234.146.165/publications/mcj/donnees_mcj.html

CANADA CJD

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/hcai-iamss/cjd-mcj/cjdss-ssmcj/stats_e.html#ref


Titre du document / Document title
La malattia di Creutzfeldt-Jakob e le altre forme umane di encefalopatie spongiformi trasmissibili in Italia : uno studio di mortalità condotto su fonti diverse (Creutzfeldt-jakob disease and related disorders in Italy : a mortality study carried out from different data sources)
Auteur(s) / Author(s)
CONTI Susanna (1) ; MASOCCO Maria (1) ; SOLIMINI Renata (1) ; TOCCACELI Virgilia (1) ; VICHI Monica (1) ; LADOGANA Anna (2) ; ALMONTI Susanna (2) ; PUOPOLO Maria (2) ; POCCHIARI Maurizio (2) ;
Affiliation(s) du ou des auteurs / Author(s) Affiliation(s)
(1) Centra Nazionale di Epidemiologia, Sorveglianza e Promozione délia Salute, ITALIE
(2) Dipartimento di Biologia Cellulare e Neuroscienze, Istituto Superiore di Sanità, Roma, ITALIE

Résumé / Abstract
Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) is a rare pathology (about 1 case per million) but different data sources). - Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) is a rare pathology (about T case per inntion) but it has a great importance for Public Health; the Italian National CJD register has been established in the Istituto Superiore di Sanità (ISS) since 1993, and epidemiological studies on CJD have been carried out as well. This paper reports a mortality study carried out comparing and integrating data from the two available sources: the National CJD Register and the Italian Data Base on Mortality, processed by the ISS Statistics Unit, on the data collected by the Italian Census Bureau (ISTAT). The study allowed to estimate: the underreporting of CJD mortality to both sources, the misclassification of ISTAT data and the integrated mortality rates from CJD in Italy: 1.58 per million persons aged 25 or more, average rate during the period 1993-1999.
Revue / Journal Title
Annali dell' Istituto superiore di sanità (Ann. Ist. super. sanità) ISSN 0021-2571
Source / Source
2005, vol. 41, no1, pp. 103-111 [9 page(s) (article)] (26 ref.)
Langue / Language
Italien

Editeur / Publisher
Istituto superiore di sanita, Roma, ITALIE (1965- 2005) (Revue)

Mots-clés anglais / English Keywords
Nervous system diseases ; Central nervous system disease ; Degenerative disease ; Cerebral disorder ; Europe ; Infection ; Prion disease ; Medical data ; Prion ; Medicine ; Medical record ; Surveillance ; Public health ; Epidemiology ; Mortality ; Italy ; Creutzfeldt Jakob disease ;
Mots-clés français / French Keywords
Système nerveux pathologie ; Système nerveux central pathologie ; Maladie dégénérative ; Encéphale pathologie ; Europe ; Infection ; Prion maladie ; Donnée médicale ; 1993-1999 ; Prion ; Médecine ; Dossier médical ; Surveillance ; Santé publique ; Epidémiologie ; Mortalité ; Italie ; Encéphalopathie spongiforme Creutzfeldt Jakob ;

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Mots-clés espagnols / Spanish Keywords
Sistema nervioso patología ; Sistema nervosio central patología ; Enfermedad degenerativa ; Encéfalo patología ; Europa ; Infección ; Prion enfermedad ; Prion ; Medicina ; Historial clínico ; Vigilancia ; Salud pública ; Epidemiología ; Mortalidad ; Italia ; Encefalopatía espongiforme Creutzfeldt Jakob ;
Mots-clés d'auteur / Author Keywords
Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease ; mortality ; data sources ; surveillance ; record linkage ;
Localisation / Location
INIST-CNRS, Cote INIST : 6513, 35400013237541.0170


Copyright 2006 INIST-CNRS. All rights reserved

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No part of these records may be reproduced of distributed, in any form or by any means, without the prior written permission of INIST-CNRS.

Nº notice refdoc (ud4) : 17038684


http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=17038684



Neurology. 2005 May 10;64:1592-7 15883322
High incidence of genetic human transmissible spongiform encephalopathies in Italy.
[My paper] A Ladogana , M Puopolo , A Poleggi , S Almonti , V Mellina , M Equestre , M Pocchiari
OBJECTIVE: To assess the incidence and mortality rates of genetic transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE) diseases in Italy. METHODS: The authors have sequenced the prion protein gene (PRNP) in 643 patients referred to the Italian Registry of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) and related disorders between 1993 and 2002. Crude age- and sex-specific incidence and mortality rates were calculated. Differences in morbidity from genetic TSE diseases in the 20 Italian regions were assessed by the standardized morbidity ratio (SMR). RESULTS: A total of 130 cases were classified as genetic TSE diseases with a mean yearly incidence rate of 0.28 cases per million people. Genetic TSE diseases represent 17.7% of all TSE diseases, including sporadic, iatrogenic, and variant CJD. The most frequent mutation was the V210I (n = 54), and the second most common the E200K (n = 42). Mortality rates for genetic TSE diseases did not increase in any of the age groups under examination over the 10 years of surveillance. The analysis of regional distribution of genetic cases by place of birth revealed that in Campania and Calabria regions the number of genetic TSE cases was higher than in other regions. CONCLUSIONS: In Italy the incidence of genetic transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE) diseases is the second highest among European countries. Genetic analysis is important for a correct classification of patients with TSE.
Mesh-terms: Adult; Age Distribution; Aged; Cohort Studies; DNA Mutational Analysis; Female; Genetic Predisposition to Disease, genetics; Genetic Screening; Geography; Humans; Iatrogenic Disease, epidemiology; Incidence; Italy, epidemiology; Male; Middle Aged; Mortality; Mutation, genetics; Prion Diseases, genetics; Prion Diseases, mortality; Prions, genetics; Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't; Sex Factors;




http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:15883322



http://lib.bioinfo.pl/auth:Ladogana,A



USA CJD

3:00 Afternoon Refreshment Break, Poster and Exhibit Viewing in the Exhibit
Hall

3:30 Transmission of the Italian Atypical BSE (BASE) in Humanized Mouse

Models Qingzhong Kong, Ph.D., Assistant Professor, Pathology, Case Western Reserve
University

Bovine Amyloid Spongiform Encephalopathy (BASE) is an atypical BSE strain
discovered recently in Italy, and similar or different atypical BSE cases
were also reported in other countries. The infectivity and phenotypes of
these atypical BSE strains in humans are unknown. In collaboration with
Pierluigi Gambetti, as well as Maria Caramelli and her co-workers, we have
inoculated transgenic mice expressing human prion protein with brain
homogenates from BASE or BSE infected cattle. Our data shows that about half
of the BASE-inoculated mice became infected with an average incubation time
of about 19 months; in contrast, none of the BSE-inoculated mice appear to
be infected after more than 2 years. ***These results indicate that BASE is
transmissible to humans and suggest that BASE is more virulent than
classical BSE in humans.

6:30 Close of Day One

http://www.healthtech.com/2007/tse/day1.asp

SEE STEADY INCREASE IN SPORADIC CJD IN THE USA FROM
1997 TO 2006. SPORADIC CJD CASES TRIPLED, with phenotype
of 'UNKNOWN' strain growing. ...

http://www.cjdsurveillance.com/resources-casereport.html

There is a growing number of human CJD cases, and they were presented last
week in San Francisco by Luigi Gambatti(?) from his CJD surveillance
collection.

He estimates that it may be up to 14 or 15 persons which display selectively
SPRPSC and practically no detected RPRPSC proteins.

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/transcripts/1006-4240t1.htm

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/transcripts/2006-4240t1.pdf

18 January 2007 - Draft minutes of the SEAC 95 meeting (426 KB) held on 7
December 2006 are now available.

snip...

64. A member noted that at the recent Neuroprion meeting, a study was
presented showing that in transgenic mice BSE passaged in sheep may be more
virulent and infectious to a wider range of species than bovine derived BSE.

Other work presented suggested that BSE and bovine amyloidotic spongiform
encephalopathy (BASE) MAY BE RELATED. A mutation had been identified in the
prion protein gene in an AMERICAN BASE CASE THAT WAS SIMILAR IN NATURE TO A
MUTATION FOUND IN CASES OF SPORADIC CJD.

snip...

http://www.seac.gov.uk/minutes/95.pdf


TSS
 

rkaiser

Well-known member
Deaths

Deaths from definite vCJD (confirmed): 112

Deaths from probable vCJD (without neuropathological confirmation): 46

Deaths from probable vCJD (neuropathological confirmation pending): 0

Number of deaths from definite or probable vCJD (as above): 158

How about the number of these deaths that can be traced to eating beef, or bovine brains, or whatever without a shadow of a doubt.

00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Oldtimer Phd. "the sceintific voice of Rcalf" - strikes again. Stop all Canadian imports of Cattle and Beef. :roll: :roll:
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
1997?, the USDA said that, after considering the science concerning BSE, the US should not trade with BSE positive countries. The science has not changed since then. Now they want to open the border so the question arises; Don't they remember what "science" told them 10 years ago?

This is an arbitrary rule change. I don't think we should allow the USDA, or ANY government agency, the rein to do this for beef, cattle, onions, jeans, etc... That's a dangerous, dangerous precident to set. They have got to be accountable to public, and letting this border deal go unchallenged just tells them "Do whatever you want, we don't care".

Whether or not there is solid proof BSE causes vCJD does't matter anymore. Perception is reality and worldwide perception is that it does.
 

flounder

Well-known member
18 January 2007 - Draft minutes of the SEAC 95 meeting (426 KB) held on 7
December 2006 are now available.



64. A member noted that at the recent Neuroprion meeting, a study was
presented showing that in transgenic mice BSE passaged in sheep may be more
virulent and infectious to a wider range of species than bovine derived BSE.

Other work presented suggested that BSE and bovine amyloidotic spongiform
encephalopathy (BASE) MAY BE RELATED. A mutation had been identified in the
prion protein gene in an AMERICAN BASE CASE THAT WAS SIMILAR IN NATURE TO A
MUTATION FOUND IN CASES OF SPORADIC CJD.


snip...



http://www.seac.gov.uk/minutes/95.pdf




3:30 Transmission of the Italian Atypical BSE (BASE) in Humanized Mouse

Models Qingzhong Kong, Ph.D., Assistant Professor, Pathology, Case Western Reserve
University

Bovine Amyloid Spongiform Encephalopathy (BASE) is an atypical BSE strain
discovered recently in Italy, and similar or different atypical BSE cases
were also reported in other countries. The infectivity and phenotypes of
these atypical BSE strains in humans are unknown. In collaboration with
Pierluigi Gambetti, as well as Maria Caramelli and her co-workers, we have
inoculated transgenic mice expressing human prion protein with brain
homogenates from BASE or BSE infected cattle. Our data shows that about half
of the BASE-inoculated mice became infected with an average incubation time
of about 19 months; in contrast, none of the BSE-inoculated mice appear to
be infected after more than 2 years.

***These results indicate that BASE is transmissible to humans and suggest that BASE is more virulent than
classical BSE in humans.***


6:30 Close of Day One


http://www.healthtech.com/2007/tse/day1.asp




SEE STEADY INCREASE IN SPORADIC CJD IN THE USA FROM
1997 TO 2006. SPORADIC CJD CASES TRIPLED, with phenotype
of 'UNKNOWN' strain growing. ...


http://www.cjdsurveillance.com/resources-casereport.html



There is a growing number of human CJD cases, and they were presented last
week in San Francisco by Luigi Gambatti(?) from his CJD surveillance
collection.

He estimates that it may be up to 14 or 15 persons which display selectively
SPRPSC and practically no detected RPRPSC proteins.


http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/transcripts/1006-4240t1.htm


http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/transcripts/2006-4240t1.pdf



1: J Infect Dis 1980 Aug;142(2):205-8



Oral transmission of kuru, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, and scrapie to nonhuman primates.

Gibbs CJ Jr, Amyx HL, Bacote A, Masters CL, Gajdusek DC.

Kuru and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease of humans and scrapie disease of sheep and goats were transmitted to squirrel monkeys (Saimiri sciureus) that were exposed to the infectious agents only by their nonforced consumption of known infectious tissues. The asymptomatic incubation period in the one monkey exposed to the virus of kuru was 36 months; that in the two monkeys exposed to the virus of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease was 23 and 27 months, respectively; and that in the two monkeys exposed to the virus of scrapie was 25 and 32 months, respectively. Careful physical examination of the buccal cavities of all of the monkeys failed to reveal signs or oral lesions. One additional monkey similarly exposed to kuru has remained asymptomatic during the 39 months that it has been under observation.

PMID: 6997404
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=6997404&dopt=Abstract



TSS
 

TimH

Well-known member
flounder's article-

64. A member noted that at the recent Neuroprion meeting, a study was
presented showing that in transgenic mice BSE passaged in sheep may be more
virulent and infectious to a wider range of species than bovine derived BSE.

Other work presented suggested that BSE and bovine amyloidotic spongiform
encephalopathy (BASE) MAY BE RELATED. A mutation had been identified in the
prion protein gene in an AMERICAN BASE CASE THAT WAS SIMILAR IN NATURE TO A
MUTATION FOUND IN CASES OF SPORADIC CJD.

Does this indicate that the "atypical" strain found in the Texas and Alabama cows is "more
virulent and infectious to a wider range of species "?????
It could certainly create that perception, right Sandusker??? :D
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
TimH said:
flounder's article-

64. A member noted that at the recent Neuroprion meeting, a study was
presented showing that in transgenic mice BSE passaged in sheep may be more
virulent and infectious to a wider range of species than bovine derived BSE.

Other work presented suggested that BSE and bovine amyloidotic spongiform
encephalopathy (BASE) MAY BE RELATED. A mutation had been identified in the
prion protein gene in an AMERICAN BASE CASE THAT WAS SIMILAR IN NATURE TO A
MUTATION FOUND IN CASES OF SPORADIC CJD.

Does this indicate that the "atypical" strain found in the Texas and Alabama cows is "more
virulent and infectious to a wider range of species "?????
It could certainly create that perception, right Sandusker??? :D

Maybe. This just shows once again that there's a whole lot about BSE that we just don't know.
 

cowsense

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
1997?, the USDA said that, after considering the science concerning BSE, the US should not trade with BSE positive countries. The science has not changed since then. Now they want to open the border so the question arises; Don't they remember what "science" told them 10 years ago?

This is an arbitrary rule change. I don't think we should allow the USDA, or ANY government agency, the rein to do this for beef, cattle, onions, jeans, etc... That's a dangerous, dangerous precident to set. They have got to be accountable to public, and letting this border deal go unchallenged just tells them "Do whatever you want, we don't care".

Whether or not there is solid proof BSE causes vCJD does't matter anymore. Perception is reality and worldwide perception is that it does.

Using your warped logic and the best of R-clown science THE REST OF THE WORLD SHOULD NOT TRADE BEEF WITH THE US as you've had BSE diagnosed in your own country.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
cowsense said:
Sandhusker said:
1997?, the USDA said that, after considering the science concerning BSE, the US should not trade with BSE positive countries. The science has not changed since then. Now they want to open the border so the question arises; Don't they remember what "science" told them 10 years ago?

This is an arbitrary rule change. I don't think we should allow the USDA, or ANY government agency, the rein to do this for beef, cattle, onions, jeans, etc... That's a dangerous, dangerous precident to set. They have got to be accountable to public, and letting this border deal go unchallenged just tells them "Do whatever you want, we don't care".

Whether or not there is solid proof BSE causes vCJD does't matter anymore. Perception is reality and worldwide perception is that it does.

Using your warped logic and the best of R-clown science THE REST OF THE WORLD SHOULD NOT TRADE BEEF WITH THE US as you've had BSE diagnosed in your own country.

R-clown science? The science was supposedly from the best "experts" the USDA could round up. R-CALF had absolutely nothing to do with it. Why do you attempt to shift the responsibility?

The rest of the world can do whatever they want, it's their respective countries. I'm a tax-paying citizen of the US. I think the US Government should be consistent and accountable.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
cowsense said:
Sandhusker said:
1997?, the USDA said that, after considering the science concerning BSE, the US should not trade with BSE positive countries. The science has not changed since then. Now they want to open the border so the question arises; Don't they remember what "science" told them 10 years ago?

This is an arbitrary rule change. I don't think we should allow the USDA, or ANY government agency, the rein to do this for beef, cattle, onions, jeans, etc... That's a dangerous, dangerous precident to set. They have got to be accountable to public, and letting this border deal go unchallenged just tells them "Do whatever you want, we don't care".

Whether or not there is solid proof BSE causes vCJD does't matter anymore. Perception is reality and worldwide perception is that it does.

Using your warped logic and the best of R-clown science THE REST OF THE WORLD SHOULD NOT TRADE BEEF WITH THE US as you've had BSE diagnosed in your own country.

R-clown science? The science was supposedly from the best "experts" the USDA could round up. R-CALF had absolutely nothing to do with it. Why do you attempt to shift the responsibility?

The rest of the world can do whatever they want, it's their respective countries. I'm a tax-paying citizen of the US. I think the US Government should be consistent and accountable.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
cowsense said:
Sandhusker said:
1997?, the USDA said that, after considering the science concerning BSE, the US should not trade with BSE positive countries. The science has not changed since then. Now they want to open the border so the question arises; Don't they remember what "science" told them 10 years ago?

This is an arbitrary rule change. I don't think we should allow the USDA, or ANY government agency, the rein to do this for beef, cattle, onions, jeans, etc... That's a dangerous, dangerous precident to set. They have got to be accountable to public, and letting this border deal go unchallenged just tells them "Do whatever you want, we don't care".

Whether or not there is solid proof BSE causes vCJD does't matter anymore. Perception is reality and worldwide perception is that it does.

Using your warped logic and the best of R-clown science THE REST OF THE WORLD SHOULD NOT TRADE BEEF WITH THE US as you've had BSE diagnosed in your own country.

R-clown science? The science was supposedly from the best "experts" the USDA could round up. R-CALF had absolutely nothing to do with it. Why do you attempt to shift the responsibility?

The rest of the world can do whatever they want, it's their respective countries. I'm a tax-paying citizen of the US. I think the US Government should be consistent and accountable.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
cowsense said:
Sandhusker said:
1997?, the USDA said that, after considering the science concerning BSE, the US should not trade with BSE positive countries. The science has not changed since then. Now they want to open the border so the question arises; Don't they remember what "science" told them 10 years ago?

This is an arbitrary rule change. I don't think we should allow the USDA, or ANY government agency, the rein to do this for beef, cattle, onions, jeans, etc... That's a dangerous, dangerous precident to set. They have got to be accountable to public, and letting this border deal go unchallenged just tells them "Do whatever you want, we don't care".

Whether or not there is solid proof BSE causes vCJD does't matter anymore. Perception is reality and worldwide perception is that it does.

Using your warped logic and the best of R-clown science THE REST OF THE WORLD SHOULD NOT TRADE BEEF WITH THE US as you've had BSE diagnosed in your own country.

R-clown science? The science was supposedly from the best "experts" the USDA could round up. R-CALF had absolutely nothing to do with it. Why do you attempt to shift the responsibility?

The rest of the world can do whatever they want, it's their respective countries. I'm a tax-paying citizen of the US. I think the US Government should be consistent and accountable.
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
cowsense said:
Sandhusker said:
1997?, the USDA said that, after considering the science concerning BSE, the US should not trade with BSE positive countries. The science has not changed since then. Now they want to open the border so the question arises; Don't they remember what "science" told them 10 years ago?

This is an arbitrary rule change. I don't think we should allow the USDA, or ANY government agency, the rein to do this for beef, cattle, onions, jeans, etc... That's a dangerous, dangerous precident to set. They have got to be accountable to public, and letting this border deal go unchallenged just tells them "Do whatever you want, we don't care".

Whether or not there is solid proof BSE causes vCJD does't matter anymore. Perception is reality and worldwide perception is that it does.

Using your warped logic and the best of R-clown science THE REST OF THE WORLD SHOULD NOT TRADE BEEF WITH THE US as you've had BSE diagnosed in your own country.

R-clown science? The science was supposedly from the best "experts" the USDA could round up. R-CALF had absolutely nothing to do with it. Why do you attempt to shift the responsibility?

The rest of the world can do whatever they want, it's their respective countries. I'm a tax-paying citizen of the US. I think the US Government should be consistent and accountable.

And start worrying about the folks that pay their wages and they are supposed to represent first-- not the worldwide packers and cattle producers of every high risk BSE country in the world.....
 

rkaiser

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Pound that drum Oldtimer. While Cargill and Tyson sit back and enjoy. I've never seen such a show in my life.

Tonight is your night Oldtimer and Sandhusker. Forget about anything that was being discussed here for the last few days.

Amazing.
 

Sandhusker

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rkaiser said:
Pound that drum Oldtimer. While Cargill and Tyson sit back and enjoy. I've never seen such a show in my life.

Tonight is your night Oldtimer and Sandhusker. Forget about anything that was being discussed here for the last few days.

Amazing.

Tyson and Cargills whole business plan calls for open borders worldwide. They want the Canadian border open bad. You must of missed the AMI's release concerning the USDA's plans.
 

rkaiser

Well-known member
Well Sandhusker you can agree with Scott all you want, but I know that this salmon run is the best thing that has ever happened to Cargill and Tyson.

Sometimes I vote for things that I know look good in the public eye as well Sandhusker, while smiling knowing that I am enjoying the moment.

How much competition does Cargill and Tyson have to bury before you get the picture man? How much more of these excessive Canadian profits do you want them to have in their war chest to squash competition in the future?

AMI --- open borders ---- what the hell are you talking about. Why do you think Cargill and Tyson are all about rejecting testing to open market access? Control Sandhusker Control.

Go do your dance for them tonight - they are counting on you and the Rcalf gang to keep the salmon run going without lifting a finger on their own.
 
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