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Phantom Flight 93: And Other Astounding September 11 Mysteries Explored
Victor Thorn (Author), Lisa Guliani (Author)
Paperback: 189 pages
Publisher: Sisyphus Press (May 2008)

9-11 Investigators Mentioned in this Book:

Victor Thorn is the founder of Sisyphus Press, co-host of WING TV
from 2003 to 2006, and the author of numerous books including The
New World Order Exposed and 9-11 on Trial which have also been
translated and published in Japan and France.

Lisa Guliani, a former Internet radio talk show host and the author of
four books (including Hunters of Souls about CIA mind control) has
spent the past five years as an outspoken political activist and
independent journalist who has worked diligently to expose the
government's lies about 9-11 and other related topics.

Keith Hansen, aka Vyzygoth, hosts the daily Internet show Vyzygoth's
Grassy Knoll which began in July 2002 with Harry Spenser, who had
operated a pirate radio station. The name Vyzygoth was thus created as
a precautionary measure taken for obvious reasons. The show operated
for several years from the twin stations AM-1350 WDCF and 1400
WZHR in Pasco County.

Vinnie Sammartino authored one of the seminal articles about the
September II, 2001, terrorist attacks entitled "The 9-11 Passenger List
Oddities" which addressed issues such as the Victim's Compensation
Fund and the Social Security Death Index.

Killtown—one of the original 9-11 researchers—has emerged as a
preeminent investigator of Flight 93. He chooses to remain anonymous
for security reasons.

A Conspiracy Theory
BY VICTOR THORN

Regrettably, as my research continued over the years, one
area of investigation seemed to get neglected more than any
other—and that was the Shanksville crash. Fortunately, in
mid-October 2005, radio talk show host Keith Hansen (a.k.a.
Vyzygoth—From the Grassy Knoll) suggested that Lisa Guliani
and I appear on his show to discuss the many questions
surrounding Flight 93. After agreeing to do so, all three of us
admitted that we'd spent less time investigating this aspect of
9-11 than any other.

The outcome of this interview was so rewarding and
provocative—and far more sinister than what we were told by
government officials—that people who listened started urging
us to put it into book form for posterity. And in all honesty, we
had to concur, for what we have here is history—real
history—that absolutely and positively disproves (once
again) the government's smokescreens, diversions,
disinformation, and outright lies.

Hopefully, the information presented in this book will
produce a paradigm shift in the way we view 9-11, for it has
now become abundantly clear that practically everything the
government has told us about this ghastly event has been a lie.
Everything! And now, quite possibly the most enigmatic
piece to the puzzle has been laid on the table—the great hoax
of Phantom Flight 93.


Stay tuned for more!
 
First Keith Hansen Interview
From the Grassy Knoll
With Victor Thorn & Lisa Guliani
And a special appearance by
Vinnie Sammartino
November 10, 2005

Victor Thorn: This strip mine, they said, was filled with
soft dirt. Now, as we asked on our show today: what's the
difference between soft dirt and hard dirt?

Lisa Guliani: And what we said was, when dirt is sitting in
place for a long time, it tends to get packed. It tends to not
stay soft, as in, soft enough for something to just sink into it.
The ground packs down.

Victor Thorn: But you see, it's very important that they
used the term "soft dirt," because they said that once this
plane descended in a virtual nose-dive, it liquefied when
hitting the "soft" dirt.

Lisa Guliani: So in other words, the plane morphed into
the ground.

Victor Thorn: Yeah, the entire thing was buried in the
ground, and supposedly 45 people were killed. So that's our
starting point, and that's what we have to go from.


Victor Thorn: Another thing that we have to
add is that the government first said the heroes on this plane—
that would be Todd Beamer, Mark Bingham, and others—were
the ones that overtook the hijackers and were trying to
commandeer the plane. Later, when they were forced to
release part of the quasi-voice recorder tapes, they had to
change their story and say that the hijackers crashed the plane,
supposedly killing 45 people.

Lisa Guliani: Yes, the problem exists that we can't find a lot
of these so-called people listed as being dead on the Social Security
Death Index. We were trying to see how many of the families
actually filed for the Victims' Compensation Fund. The government
released a report, but didn't include a complete list of the names on
the final report, so it's hard to cross-reference that. But why aren't
people like Todd Beamer coming up listed as dead? Even if the
Social Security Administration only updates their data once a year,
it's been four years.

Lisa Guliani: Also, no hijacker names were on the passenger
manifest list either.

Victor Thorn: This phenomenon has something common to all
four flights. 9-11 researchers Jerry Russell and Richard Stanley did an
investigation of the Pentagon eyewitnesses, and a majority of these
people—even the priest that was supposedly there—had some real
interesting ties to the Department of Defense. So, they did some
fantastic work showing that we can't just take the government's
word for what happened.

Vinnie Sammartino: David Beamer [Todd's father] was
the COO of Legato Systems, while Todd worked for Oracle.
They both have ties to the government, and David Beamer was
involved in a no-bid contract for the restoration of the
Pentagon. That was the spot where the plane supposedly hit.
I mean, everything is all tied together. Look at the names of
these people that all start coming together. They're all interconnected
somehow.

Victor Thorn: Professor Jim Fetzer wrote a great book about
the death of Paul Wellstone. Again that's another crash scene
that was tampered with before the official story was
released.

Lisa Guliani: How about the case of Ron Brown?

Victor Thorn: Yeah, Ron Brown too.

Victor Thorn: But to implicate the rest of the government,
they've all bitten their tongues. Even the supposed "heroes" in
Congress like Ron Paul and Cynthia McKinney only briefly
touch upon 9-11. They certainly don't go into anything beyond
the superficial. If they were really
the heroes that a lot of people in the alternative media and truth
movement make them out to be, they'd be standing before Congress
saying there is no evidence of Flight 93 in Shanksville, and that a
controlled demolition destroyed the World Trade Center towers.

Victor Thorn: And it has to relate to the society at hand.
We went from the Cold War to the epitome of what Orwell
called the perpetual enemy—al Qaeda, the war on terror. You
can't pinpoint them because they're not from any specific
nation.

Lisa Guliani: The elusive al Qaeda.

Victor Thorn: Anything that happens, blame it on al
Qaeda.
 
Keith Hansen Returns
From the Grassy Knoll
Victor Thorn
December 16, 2005
Part 1 of 5

Victor Thorn: But on
September 25, 2001 the FBI said they recovered 95% of Flight
93. My big question is: where is it? This explanation sounds
exactly like the Pentagon because the first story the
government told us about the Pentagon crash was that the
plane had vaporized inside the Pentagon. That's why there
was no "wreckage." Then
they came back and said they'd collected nearly all of the plane's
debris and had it stored inside a hangar somewhere outside of
Washington, D.C.
So we have the same exact modus operandi here. First they say it
liquefied into the ground, and then they say 95% of the wreckage
was recovered. It doesn't add up. So you have to ask: what about
the plane liquefying? I thought the plane was completely
destroyed? But then we go back to the coroner, Wally Miller,
who said only 8% of the wreckage was recovered, and that
everything else was vaporized. Which one is it? We have a huge discrepancy,
and it lays the foundation for me to say there was no
Flight 93 in Shanksville. That has to be the first thing we establish.
And I think from all of this testimony, we've done that.

Meanwhile, the government says that they were
able to ID the passengers on this plane ... these mysterious
passengers ... by their DNA, their dental records, and their
fingerprints. But the plane itself vaporized, according to the
government's first story.
This is the same thing they said happened at the
Pentagon. They said they were able to identify the passengers
by their DNA and fingerprints, yet the plane's metal and
aluminum was vaporized into nothingness.

This small white plane was an executive jet
that belonged to Netjet. Now, Berkshire Hathaway is one of
the companies owned by Warren Buffett, and guess what
company is under their corporate umbrella. Netjet! And it's
been admitted that one of Warren
Buffett's executive private jets (via the subsidiary NetJet) was
tracking Flight 93, which is very weird.
There's also another subsidiary that Warren Buffett owns
called Flight Safety International, Inc., which is a flight
training school that (ta da!) trained some of the "hijackers"
before 9-11.
Berkshire Hathaway also has a large stockholding
company called SunTrust Bank, Inc. How does this fit in? We
heard about money being funneled to the "hijackers." How
were these Arab cave dwellers—these "hijackers"— able to set
up bank accounts and cash their checks when they weren't
even citizens of the United States? They set up most of their
banking accounts with fake social security numbers at
SunTrust Bank, owned by Warren Buffett. CNN even reported
that they relied most heavily on SunTrust Bank for the
movement of their funds through bank accounts opened up in
Florida. The FBI told The New York Times that the hijackers
moved $325,000 through 14 bank accounts at SunTrust
Bank, making it the most relied upon bank that they used.
 
Keith Hansen Returns
From the Grassy Knoll
Victor Thorn
December 16, 2005
Part 2 of 5

Victor Thorn: 7:59 a.m. Flight 11 takes off from Boston.
That's one of the planes that eventually hit the towers.
8:01 a.m., two minutes later, Flight 93 was supposed to
have taken off from Newark, but it didn't. This is crucial.
At 8:10 a.m., Flight 77, the plane that purportedly hit the
Pentagon, was supposed to take off from Dulles, but it didn't
right then. This is the second of two delays; one is very
important, while the other was a minor delay.
At 8:14 a.m., Flight 175 took off from Boston. This one's
also heading toward New York City.
At 8:20 a.m., Flight 77 finally takes off, 10 minutes
late. This plane is supposed to have hit the Pentagon, but it
begins by flying westward across West Virginia and beyond.
That's not what it was supposed to have been doing at that
time. Rather, what it was doing was waiting for Flight 93.
These two were supposed to have worked in tandem like
Flights 11 and 175 did.
At 8:42 a.m., 41 minutes late, Flight 93 finally takes off.
According to McGowan—and I think this is right on the
mark—Flights 93 and 77 were supposed to take off at 8:01 and
8:10 a.m., and they were both supposed to head into D.C. and
take out strategic targets. One was supposed to strike the
Pentagon, while the other either the Capitol building or the
White House.
This is vital because one of the biggest gaffes in the
official story is the military stand-down. You brought it up
earlier. How can these planes be flying around for over an
hour with no response whatsoever from the Pentagon? Jim
Tucker from the American Free Press recently wrote an article
that said over 1,000 times since the World Trade Center
towers were erected, planes flew into their restricted space,
and every time they were intercepted. 1,000 times! Yet on
the morning of 9-11, four planes were flying around forever
with nothing happening.
This is crucial because 93 and 77 were both supposed to
go into D.C. One was supposed to take out the Pentagon.
With the Pentagon taken out, that explains why there were
no planes sent to intercept Flight 11 and Flight 175 when they
got to the World Trade Center towers. There would have been
so much chaos and pandemonium going on at the Pentagon
that they couldn't scramble the planes. Plus, they wouldn't
have had time
to, anyway, because at 8:42 when Flight 93 finally took off,
Flight 77 was out past West Virginia until it finally turned
back to D.C.
Four minutes later, guess what happened? Flight 11 hits
WTC 1. So the games began. Flight 77 and Flight 93, which
were supposed to have already taken out the Pentagon and
another strategic target, were nowhere to be found. One's out
in West Virginia, while the other was just taking off. They
weren't doing what they were supposed to do.
At 9:03 a.m., Flight 175 hits WTC 2. So both towers are
now hit. Everybody's contacting the Pentagon saying what the
hell is going on? There's a terrorist event taking place. Where
the hell are your planes?
At 9:36 am—almost an hour after the first tower is hit—
Flight 93 finally turns around at Cleveland.
At 9:40 a.m., we have the Pentagon event. I call it an event
because I don't believe Flight 77 struck the Pentagon. As
everybody knows, there are tons of holes in the story. No plane
on the lawn, etc. At this point, we have Flight 93 out in
Cleveland turning around, and if you look at the flight path, it's
headed straight back to D.C. So the people running the show
are getting worried now because the Pentagon's been hit, both
towers have been struck, and what the hell are they going to
do with this plane that's heading back towards D.C?
So between 9:45 and 9:58 a.m. we have these mysterious
cell phone calls, yet everybody knows these calls couldn't
have been made from the altitude at which the plane was
supposedly flying.
At 9:59 a.m., WTC 2 finally falls to the ground. Things are
now out of control.
At 10:03 a.m., Flight 93, or one purporting to be Flight 93, is
shot down and crashes.
At 10:06 a.m. (three minutes later) a dramatic seismic event is
recorded at a facility near Shanksville. Now what does this all
mean?

The seismographic data was recorded at two
earthquake monitoring stations located in Millersville, Pa., and
Standing Stone, Pa. Plus, William Bunch of the Philadelphia
Daily News reported in September 2002 that several seismologists
were commissioned by the Department of Defense (DoD) to investigate
when Flight 93 actually crash landed, and they all agreed that
it was 10:06 a.m. In addition, a site called FlightExplorer.com,
which tracks flights around the world, stated that the doomed jetliner
made a dramatic mid-air 90 degree clockwise turn at exactly 10:03
a.m.
Now isn't this the time when it was supposed to have already
been crashed on the ground? Thus, we now have definitive proof,
especially from the DoD, that the government is lying about its
timeline.
So, here's what I think happened. Look at a map. When you
examine testimony relating to the Shanksville crash, you see three
different events taking place. Naturally there's the crater at
Shanksville where there was an explosion and a 200 foot
mushroom cloud rising up into the sky. That's what caused the
seismic event at 10:06 a.m.—three minutes after Flight 93 crashed.
But when you look at a map, you also see wreckage and a lot of
testimony from a place called Indian Lake, which is northeast of
Shanksville. Then 6 to 8 miles away from Shanksville, you have a
town called New Baltimore.
Immediately after people started seeing flaming wreckage
falling from the sky in New Baltimore, the FBI and state
police went into New Baltimore and cordoned off a huge area
to the southwest of Indian lake.
If you go from Cleveland to D.C. and draw a straight line,
it goes through two places: Indian lake and New Baltimore.
This would have been the flight path. Flight 93 became a
liability. Everything's already been done. They didn't take the
Pentagon out when they were supposed to, nothing hit the
Pentagon, and so they have this big disaster on their hands.
Then they have another plane flying toward D.C. It wouldn't
have been good at that point for our military to shoot down an
American plane, considering everything else that was taking
place. That's why you have all these vehement denials from
the Pentagon that nothing was shot down.
So what I think happened was: Flight 93, or what
purported to be Flight 93, was shot down. It was first struck
over Indian Lake, and that's why you see wreckage coming
down over this body of water.
Then it finally crashed in New Baltimore at 10:03 a.m.
This is six to eight miles away from Shanksville. Now the
people in control must have said, nobody can be allowed to
find this plane. Either because they didn't want anybody to
see what was on the plane, or they didn't want to admit that
they had shot it down. So they had three minutes, in which
time they sent in another plane and created an "event" in
Shanksville as a diversionary tactic. They shot some kind of
missile which hit at 10:06 a.m. and created a big seismic
event. People saw the huge fireball and mushroom cloud go
up in the sky. As we know from the eyewitness testimony
we've recounted, people were seeing planes flying at low altitude all over
the place. So they say, "A plane wrecked!" Where did the wreck
occur? Well, everybody saw this big mushroom cloud, so it
must've wrecked in Shanksville, right? Wrong. Shanksville was
nothing but a diversion to keep people away from the real crash
site, which was New Baltimore. That's what happened.
 
Keith Hansen Returns
From the Grassy Knoll
Victor Thorn
December 16, 2005
Part 3 of 5

Victor Thorn: Something shot down Flight 93, or what
purported to be Flight 93. In New Baltimore there's a CNN reporter
named Brian Cabbell who said, and this is really important, that the
FBI and State Police confirmed that they cordoned off a second
area in New Baltimore six to eight miles away. Why are they
cordoning off an area so far away from the supposed crash site?

Well, there were actually three debris fields, or
more. We have Shanksville, which wasn't really a debris field, but
just a crater. Then there's Indian Lake, New Baltimore, and the areas
in between Indian Lake and New Baltimore.

CNN aired a show called America Under Attack in
which they confirmed that both the FBI and State Police
cordoned off a debris area six to eight miles away; so that fact
has been established. Now, Brian Cabbell stated in his CNN
report that this was not typical for a plane crash to be spread
across an area that large. Imagine how far that was—eight
miles from point "A" (Shanksville) to point "B" (New
Baltimore). It's a huge distance. Plus, we know that the wind
that day was only blowing at nine to 10 miles an hour.
There's another man named Bill Crowley from the FBI who
told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review that he confirmed that debris
was found in New Baltimore six to eight miles away. The
Mirror-UK also confirmed debris was found in New
Baltimore.
I'm mentioning this so everyone knows what was there.
The Pennsylvania State Police confirmed it, and also there
was a local media quote from people in New Baltimore who
said that they saw flaming debris falling from the sky.
Flaming debris!
That's vital, because would there still be flaming debris if
the plane hit in Shanksville eight miles away? There was an
eyewitness in New Baltimore named Melanie Hankinson
who I tried to contact, but both numbers I found for her were
no longer in service. She said she heard a loud "bang," and
then saw smoke and papers blowing through her yard. What
she found were in-flight magazines, a pilot's manual, and
something she called black webbing, which ended up being
the insulation that lines the belly of a jetliner. This is material
that would absolutely be found inside a jetliner. Add this
testimony to the fact that there was an area cordoned off in
New Baltimore where people saw flaming debris, plus items
and contents that would be found right inside a plane.

That's interesting because it confirms what
I found people in Indian Lake were saying. They said they
saw a jetliner flying at a very low altitude, and they described
it as falling apart on top of their homes. They're talking about
debris raining down on their houses. There's also a guy
named Tom Spinelli who worked at the Indian Lake Marina
about a mile and a half away from Shanksville, and he
described this white plane again. He said it was flying all
over the place like it was (as he put it) "looking for
something." He reported that he saw this plane before, and
then after the explosion. The debris that rained down on this
lake was mostly mail, magazines and seat scrap.
Again, the wind was blowing at 10 miles per hour, so for
materials to be carried aloft all the way to Indian Lake from
Shanksville isn't going to happen in the snap of a finger.
Then on September 12, the day after 9-11, crash debris
started washing up on shore at Indian Lake Marina and
people said they found seat pieces, melted plastic, checks and
also a rib bone. So now they're finding actual human remains,
as well as interior plane contents. They said the FBI carted
away bags and bags of evidence from this area.
Also, people at Indian Lake said that their buildings shook,
they heard an explosion, and then they saw the
mushroom/fireball go into the sky. And most importantly, the
debris started falling before the mushroom cloud appeared.

Here's the most important thing about
Indian Lake. There's no continuous debris trail from
Shanksville to Indian lake. So what does that mean? If a plane
was shot down—and you have to look at a map—
Shanksville is southwest of Indian Lake and is not in the
direct flight path of where this plane would be coming from
Cleveland to D.C. The direct path would be through Indian
Lake into New Baltimore. If you look at a map, Shanksville
would be to the left and to the bottom of Indian Lake, outside
of the flight path. If they're saying the plane wrecked in
Shanksville, and the wind blew the debris over to Indian Lake,
there's no continuous trail between the two. There was no
debris found between these two points.

On the other hand, New Baltimore would be to
the southeast of Indian Lake in direct line of Washington. The
logical conclusion is that the plane was flying over Indian Lake
when it was initially hit, then crash landed in New Baltimore.
Shanksville, then, was used as nothing more than a diversionary
"crash" site. We have to go back to Shanksville again, because everyone
assumes that there was a plane there, but what if we can
determine that this was simply a missile? Once I tell you about
Susan McElwain, we're going to know for sure that's what
happened.
But first, one eyewitness at Shanksville said they were astounded
that there wasn't a single drop of blood anywhere. The thing they
did notice was that there was a strong smell of fuel oil in the air.
But if there would've been people in the planes, the total weight of
all the passengers combined would have totaled about 6,000
pounds. If they had all burned up, can you imagine what the stench
of 6,000 pounds of human flesh would have smelled like? But
nobody remembers smelling burning human flesh.

Even though people saw a huge mushroom cloud
reaching 200 feet into the sky, a guy named Lee Purbaugh, who is
probably the most important person in this whole scenario, said that
the field reeked of jet fuel. He said the trees were singed a little bit and there was
some underbrush aflame, but that's all there was— a
smoking hole in the ground. Why wasn't there more fire?
When Flight 93 left Newark it was supposed to be traveling
cross-country to California, right? Therefore, it would have
been carrying a huge amount of fuel, but there's no fire at the
spot, again confirming that this specific plane didn't crash
there.
If we go back to the World Trade Center towers, do you
remember when WTC 2 got hit at an oblique angle on its
corner? There was a huge fireball. That was all the jet fuel
splashing outside of the tower—some 10,000 gallons of jet
fuel blowing out of there. Yet, there was no fire at Shanksville,
just a big mushroom cloud, indicative of some kind of missile,
but nothing more than that. There's no fire, there's no burning
flesh, there's no wreckage, there's no anything.
I believe during our first show, Keith, we talked about a
crash in Nigeria that most resembled what should have
happened with Flight 93. When that plane crashed, it was on
fire for over a day, more than 24 hours. It didn't disappear into
the ground. There were large pieces of wreckage lying there
that were easily seen. There were body parts scattered
everywhere, and they too could be easily seen. But this is not
the case in Shanksville. So let's finally put this part of the
equation to bed. There was no plane crash in Shanksville—
none whatsoever. I think between the first interview and this
one, we've proven it now beyond any shadow of a doubt. So
how do we explain all of these people seeing planes upside
down, belly-up, wobbling, in distress, flying over the treetops,
crashing? How do we explain all that? Something had to
have crashed somewhere, especially when we see all this
debris falling over Indian Lake; then between Indian Lake and
New Baltimore—especially when witnesses saw flaming
debris coming down in New Baltimore. That's where
whatever was purporting to be Flight 93 crashed into the
ground.
 
Keith Hansen Returns
From the Grassy Knoll
Victor Thorn
December 16, 2005
Part 4 of 5

Victor Thorn: I mentioned Susan McElwain earlier, so
let's go over her published reports, and then I'll tell you what
she said to me personally. She described a white plane, or
what she thought was a plane initially, that rocketed directly
over her head. She was in her mini-van at the time, and
described seeing this rocketing object 40-50 feet above her
head. Susan said it was so close that when it passed over her
van, she actually ducked because she thought it was going to
hit her. She said there was hardly any sound whatsoever, and
then it disappeared behind the trees. Momentarily after that,
she heard a great explosion which she claimed occurred less
than a minute later. She said it was heading directly toward
the Shanksville site. She says it must have been right at that
very moment that this object went over her head and through
the tree tops, then it crashed. But she doesn't ever describe
seeing Flight 93. In published reports, she said it was white
with no markings, definitely military, a big fin on the back like
a spoiler, and she insisted it wasn't an executive jet. That's
what this woman is saying.
Then when I spoke to her directly on the telephone and
asked her some questions, she said that it was a small plane
at first. I asked her if she saw Flight 93. She
said, "No, absolutely not." She added—and this is very
bizarre—that somebody who worked in the emergency unit
at Shanksville said that there were radio calls into the
emergency room alerting them to be prepared for two plane
crashes. Two plane crashes! Hang onto that for a second. I
asked her again about the object that went over her head. She
described it as kind of looking like a Lear jet, but not exactly.
She said it had no wings, and that it was all molded as if in
one piece. It was tubular. No rivets, all in one piece, with a fin
on the back, pure white, without any markings of any kind.
Now what does that sound like?

I don't think it was an aircraft because she
said, when it went over, it made no sound whatsoever and no
leaves fell, and there was no disturbance of the trees. There
were no wings on it, and it was all molded as if it were one
piece. No rivets. It was tubular.

Some kind of missile. And she said many
people have shown her pictures of small aircraft like Lear
jets, military jets and private jets. She said none of those
pictures resembled what she saw that morning on 9-11. I
also asked her how soon after the object flew
over her head that she had to duck down, and how soon
afterward did she hear the explosion? Her reply was, "Within
seconds." If this would've been a missile that hit Flight 93, it
means that they both would have had to coincide within
seconds of when she saw this object go over her head, right?
Okay, you know how huge a 757 is. But she didn't see
anything like that. I asked her, "Did you see Flight 93 or
anything that looked like a commercial passenger jet?" She
said, "Absolutely not." She saw this missile-like object flying
over her head, and within seconds there was a massive
explosion and the resulting mushroom cloud.

No, she saw a missile going into the
ground in Shanksville. What she saw going over her head was
what created the crater! This wasn't a plane, and it didn't
shoot anything down. This was what was shot to create a
crater at the diversion area to get people away from paying
attention to what happened at New Baltimore. That's why
Susan McElwain is so vital, because she saw the missile!

No, what she saw was the missile itself.
She saw the plume go up in the sky—that would have been
the mushroom cloud—but she calls it a plume. Her yard is
located less than one mile from the crater site.
She said that the mushroom cloud went straight up, and then
when coming straight down it looked like glitter. She said it
wasn't blowing anywhere. When I told this to Lisa [Guliani],
she said the "glitter-like" material was bits of metal from this
ordnance that hit the ground. It probably looked like "glitter"
because of sunlight reflecting off of the metallic pieces as they
fell. Remember, September II, 2001, was a very sunny day.

I'm sure what happened in New
Baltimore was that they brought their own people in, such as
military personnel, etc. The population of New Baltimore is
less than 200, so it's not a heavily populated area. Since
everybody was focusing their attention on Shanksville, they
just assumed that's where everything was happening. So
these other people are in New Baltimore.

On 9-11, at 11:30 p.m., Susan McElwain
was still awake, obviously frazzled, sitting in her bedroom
when she heard a loud knocking on the door and someone
yelling, "Open up! FBI! FBI!" So she opened the door and there
was an FBI agent and a police officer standing there. I asked
her where the FBI agent and the police officer were from, but
she said she didn't even ask. Instead, she told me that she's big
on eye contact, and she noted that the policeman (we're
assuming he was a local officer) was real nervous, pacing
around and very uncomfortable—so much so that he
wouldn't make eye contact with her. Plus, she said that the
FBI agent was treating her like she was a buffoon. Despite his
behavior, she told him exactly what she said in the published
reports, and then added that she hasn't changed her story
once in four years. Susan said the FBI agent treated her like
she didn't know anything at all—and that everything she saw
was completely wrong. His reaction
was so out-of-line that the McElwains actually called the FBI the
next day and filed a complaint. But the authorities obviously didn't
want her story making it out to the public.
Another guy that is very important (I mentioned him earlier) is
Lee Purbaugh. He is possibly the only guy in Shanksville who has
had a gag order placed upon him. He worked at a place called
RoIIock Scrap Yard, and he may have been the only person who
saw both Flight 93 going over and the missile coming in to
Shanksville. Now we can see why he would be the recipient of a gag
order, because he saw the whole thing. He saw everything.

Right. Purbaugh served three years in the U.S.
Navy. Some people might say that discounts him because they tend
to think all people with a military background who provide
information regarding 9-11 are "plants." But I'm throwing that
information on the table because it provides us with a little bit of
background on Purbaugh, and for no other reason. He's a metal
worker, he worked at a nearby scrap yard, and now a gag order has
been placed upon him. I tried to contact him, but he has an unlisted
phone number. Right now, I have no way of contacting him, but in
the future I have a feeling we're going to track him down.
The way I see things, they had to get rid of 93 because it had
become a liability. There were already so many things that weren't
working out right. The controlled demolition was obvious. They
didn't want those towers to come down in such an obvious fashion.
Another thing that is way off topic has to do with WTC 7. They
Wanted that one to come down at about the same time as when
WTC 1 and WTC 2 fell, or at least shortly thereafter. But
something malfunctioned inside the structure, which was
where the command center was located. So they had to go
in and somehow rewire it, or reprogram it, and the building
finally dropped at 5:20 p.m. This was perhaps the most
damning part of the whole screw-up. Here's a 47-story
building that wasn't hit by an aircraft, had one or two tiny
little fires on one or two floors, and out of nowhere it falls
straight to the ground into its own footprint. So they have all
these problems in New York City, they have this problem at
the Pentagon where no plane hit the building, and now they
have Shanksville. All the while they're scrambling between
9:45 and 9:58 in the morning making these hoax phone calls
to phone operators and family members, saying, "Hey, this is
so and so." The whole thing was a massive screw-up.

No, I think that when WTC 1 and 2 came
down, there was a massive dust cloud in lower Manhattan,
and after they brought the two towers down, they'd want to get
rid of the evidence inside WTC 7. So when all this ensuing
chaos is going on, they'd evacuate WTC 7, the command
center, and then "boom," they'd hit the panic button,
bringing that one down too, then they would say afterward it
fell because of damage from debris that fell from the north or
south towers, or due to
fire. But nobody would've been able to see it or film it because
of all the dust that had fallen at the time. Somehow, it didn't
come down when it was supposed to in the morning, so they
had to go back in because, they thought, if we leave this
building standing, people will go in there and find a whole hell
of a lot of incriminating evidence that we don't want them to
find. They had to get the building down that day, so they went
back in, lit a few fires, and rewired or reprogrammed
whatever didn't function correctly the first time.
Then in a panic, at 5:20 p.m., the building was finally
rigged the right way to bring it down. The problem at that
point was that cameras were now on them. I think they wanted
to bring WTC 7 down while it couldn't be filmed, because
nothing hit 7. At least with the north and south towers, they
had excuses—the plane impacts and the fires. However,
there was no excuse for WTC 7 to collapse. So they wanted it
to happen while all the dust was in the air obscuring the view
and covering Manhattan. But it didn't go according to plan,
because the building wasn't wired correctly, or the demolition
wasn't programmed properly.
 
Keith Hansen Returns
From the Grassy Knoll
Victor Thorn
December 16, 2005
Part 5 of 5

Victor Thorn: It would be naive to say they knew exactly
where it'd crash, but they knew it was going to come down
somewhere near there. This plane was supposedly coming in
at 500 mph. New Baltimore is six to eight miles away from
Shanksville. So if you do a few calculations and divide 500
mph by six miles, there's only going to be a couple of seconds
difference if the plane would've hit in Shanksville or if it would
have hit in New Baltimore. Coming in at that speed, six miles
is almost nothing. It's only a matter of a few seconds. That's
why they knew they had to shoot something in Shanksville to
keep it close enough. They couldn't shoot a missile 80 miles
away because all the eyewitness accounts wouldn't have
added up. They had to have something happen within the
same proximity, and a plane coming in at 500 mph is only
going to be a few seconds apart in time. When people saw
all these planes flying through the sky, upside down and in
distress, and they blew the ordnance up in Shanksville, it was
"okay" because it was close enough to New Baltimore that
they weren't really sure because of the treetops and so forth.
They were close enough, yet far enough away to keep
curious people out of that area. Since there are less than 200
people living in New Baltimore, and it's a rural area, all they
had to do was go in there and cordon it off. When they cordoned it off,
nobody was able to get in there.

There's so many of them.
I must have read 200 pages of various reports and facts of this
case. There are so many different people with similar stories,
and even though they all don't jibe direction-wise and so
forth, a lot of people aren't really good with directions
anyway. I think most people couldn't tell you which way is
due north. So when you start looking at directions, that part
doesn't add up because some witnesses provided conflicting
directional accounts. But they're all talking about white jets,
a plane in distress, falling debris, and they're talking about
some kind of missile overhead that's not making a sound.
When you have that many people describing the same
things, something happened there.

Keith Hansen: So we've got a jet shooting a missile into
the ground at Shanksville. Do we see anything shooting
Flight 93 down?

Victor Thorn: There's nothing that I've come across —not
one person I have any record of saying they saw Flight 93, or
what was purported to be Flight 93, being shot down. As to
where this happened, and at what altitude, I can't give an
answer.

Well, there are only two possibilities. It was
either shot down, or there's some kind of bomb or device on
board the plane. Regardless of which way it came down, or
what the cause was, we know that something came down
simply because of all the debris. How often do people walk
outside their houses and see flaming debris coming out of
the sky?

That's the big thing, because without
seeing the actual evidence—the real evidence of whatever
came down in New Baltimore—then we can't know the
ultimate truth. It's the same with people who say: if there were
bombs in the World Trade Center towers, why don't you just
get pieces of steel and show the explosive residue on them?
Believe me, there's nobody in the world who would love to do
that more than I, but the problem is: the government
immediately got rid of the evidence. And in New Baltimore,
they didn't allow anybody to see the remains. They carted the
wreckage out of there
quicker than lightning, so there was no evidence.
So you have to ask yourself: why are they doing what they
did there? Why did they create this diversionary site in
Shanksville, and why did they want to keep everybody away
from New Baltimore?
Well, first of all, they didn't want any incriminating
evidence. Whatever it was, whether it was Flight 93 or
something purporting to be Flight 93, they didn't want
people to see it. Secondly, they didn't want people coming
into New Baltimore before the authorities arrived and began
photographing it. So, by creating the diversionary site in
Shanksville, they got everybody away from the area where
the real crash occurred.
Then they weren't able to take photographs, collect the
parts, or interfere. And lastly, as I said earlier, it didn't look
good from a public relations standpoint to have the American
military shooting down our own plane. What happened in
New York City and at the Pentagon was already bad enough.
They didn't want more headaches. The government didn't
want to say they had shot down an American plane. Even if it
was loaded with terrorists, it wouldn't have looked good.

That's a good point, and I brought it up
because when you have planes that aren't accounted for,
people start asking questions. Whatever the case, something
was shot down near Shanksville because too many people
saw too many things, and there is too much physical
evidence. When you're finding rib bones floating up on shore
at a marina near Indian Lake, rib bones don't just float up on
shore every day ... especially, coincidentally, on the day
after 9-11.
So there were human remains falling from the sky, and
there were seats and cushions and different pieces of metal
and so forth. These were falling from the sky on 9-11. A plane
was shot down, but it didn't happen in Shanksville. We've
established that now, ad nauseam. So where did it ultimately
land? The only logical place, considering the flight path, is New
Baltimore. Why would the FBI and the police cordon off an
area near New Baltimore? Why would they do that? Because
that's where the wreckage was.

I'd also like to mention one more thing in regard to flight direction.
There are at least 15 different witnesses—and of course I
don't put full faith in people when they talk about
directions—but at least 15 witnesses were adamant that the
plane they saw coming down was traveling from the
northwest.
There were at least 10 witnesses who saw it within the
last five minutes and said it was flying eastward to the
southeast, flying very low and wobbling, like a plane in
distress. It even got to a point where it supposedly turned
upside down. It was going belly-up when it actually hit the
ground. So direction-wise,
there are over a dozen people who were adamant that it was
coming from the northwest, which would've been from the
direction of Cleveland toward D.C., which fits exactly into
my theory.
 
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But lo and behold, as was the case with previous
examples of state-sponsored terrorism, the "brains" behind
the military might fell prey to utter incompetence and failed to
pull-off their caper without a hitch.

Well, on April 19,
1995, the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City
was supposed to have been completely demolished by
ordnances set-off inside the structure by government
operatives who were working out of Elohim City (namely
Andreas Strassmeir and his henchmen). But much to their
dismay, many of the explosives inside the building didn't
detonate, so they had a disaster on their hands when bomb
squads were filmed by local television cameramen carrying
these unexploded devices out of the building. At that
moment, the whole cock-and-bull story of Timothy McVeigh
being a lone-nut madman in a rented Ryder truck filled with
ANFO (ammonium-nitrate-fuel oil) became a joke.

Similarly, an Egyptian Army officer named Edam Salem
was recruited as an informant by the FBI to infiltrate an
extremist organization that intended to bomb the World
Trade Center towers in 1993. He was also—at least
according to the original plan—to have helped them build
their bomb, then clandestinely substitute a harmless powder
for the real explosives. But at the last moment [verified
through hundreds of hours of secret tape-recordings Salem
made of his conversations with law enforcement officials]
FBI Supervisor John Anticev told Salem not to interfere with
the plan, and thus on February 26, 1993, the WTC complex
was bombed for the first time. The biggest problem, though,
was that the saboteurs did not properly position their
explosives, and the resulting damage was only minimal (at
least in comparison to that which occurred in 2001).

In addition, how could we forget Israel's deliberate, savage
attack on the USS Liberty which took place on June 8, 1967?
Ideally, the Israeli military sought to bombard
this American ship (which floated peacefully in international
waters) by air and sea; then blame it on the Egyptians, against
whom they were fighting during the Six Day War. But
miraculously the Liberty stayed afloat, and an incredible
embarrassment and cover-up developed which implicated President
Lyndon Baines Johnson, Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, and
Israel's Moshe Dayan, among others.

Last but not least, who could overlook the logistical nightmare
which grew out of the John F. Kennedy assassination? Lee Harvey
Oswald was supposed to be implicated as another lone nut assassin
who offed the commander-in-chief, no questions asked. But after
this slaying in broad daylight took place, the culprits had to dance
around Arlen Specter's preposterous Magic Bullet theory, a lastminute
motorcade alteration with no secret service protection
around the president's limousine, a triangulation of multiple
shooters, and then the ludicrously sloppy hit on Oswald by longtime
mobster Jack Ruby (Rubinstein). Again, another unmitigated
public relations disaster.

Yes,
they dropped the ball so horribly on the morning of September
11, 2001, that their bloody hands and dirty deeds will forever
haunt them, just as it did with OKC, WTC '93, the USS Liberty,
and JFK (not to mention other botched operations such as the
murders of Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Waco, and
the deliberately allowed attack on Pearl Harbor by Franklin D.
Roosevelt).

With this introduction in mind, let's examine the six
primary tactical blunders which transpired on the morning of
September 11, 2001:
 
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One: Flight 93 Delayed Take-Off:

In the perfect (albeit
grotesquely twisted) world of those atop the globalgovernment
organized crime syndicate who planned 9-11,
Flight 93 and Flight 77 were supposed to have taken off
almost simultaneously (at 8:01 and 8:10 a.m. respectively)
from Newark and Dulles International Airports. This way,
according to researcher Dave McGowan, whose work we are
greatly indebted to, they both could have struck their targets
in Washington, D.C.—specifically the Pentagon and quite
possibly the White House or Capitol Building—before the
World Trade Center towers were hit in Manhattan. This
point is of vital importance, because if the Pentagon was hit
at or before 8:46 a.m. when Flight 11 careened into
WTC 1, the government would not have had to deal with an
enormous problem—the military's inordinately lengthy
stand-down where jet fighters were grounded for over an
hour instead of being immediately dispatched. This major
snafu resulted from Flight 93's takeoff being delayed from
8:01 a.m. to 8:42 a.m.
As you will see, Flight 93's delay affected the scheduled
course for Flight 77, which was supposed to strike the
Pentagon at or around 8:30-8:40 a.m. Then, with chaos and
pandemonium surrounding the Pentagon, they had a readymade
explanation as to why no pilots were dispatched—
there was nothing but bedlam and confusion in our nation's
capitol with the dual strikes (remember, Flight 93 intended
to take out another strategic target). Plus, if the Pentagon
was hit at 8:40 a.m., and WTC 1 at 8:46 a.m., there wouldn't
have been time to intervene anyway. Then, only 17 minutes
later—at 9:03 am—Flight 175 barreled into WTC 2, and the
entire scenario would have been over within the span of 23
minutes.
Subsequently, the government wouldn't have had to worry
about a military stand-down, "hijacked" planes flying
around the eastern portion of the United States until 10:03
a.m. without any defensive response, or any of the other
debacles which plagued their official story. Instead, they had
wanted four strikes by 9:03 a.m., with pre-arranged
explanations at the ready as to why these attacks could not
have been prevented. Quite simply, the military would have
been temporarily stymied by the attack of Flight 77 on the
Pentagon before the Towers were attacked, while the White
House and/or Congress would be scrambling for protection
after Flight 93 hit
them. In the meantime, only minutes later, New York City's
twin towers would have been hit, and nobody could have
done a thing about it.
That's the way the masterminds wanted events to
transpire, but with the 41 minute delay in takeoff of Flight 93
from Newark, their entire timeline got confounded. Therefore,
Flight 93 is the key to everything, for its belated departure setoff
a chain of events, which would prove disastrous for the
effectiveness of this inside job to be pulled-off without a
hitch.
 
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Two: Flight 77 in Limbo:

With Flight 93 sitting on the
runway in Newark, American Airlines Flight 77 was faced with
a problem when it lifted off 10 minutes late from Dulles
International Airport in Washington D.C. If we return to Dave
McGowan's rationale, both planes were supposed to have
converged on D.C. prior to 8:40 a.m., then "unexpectedly"
make strikes before the towers in New York City were hit.
But since Flight 93 was delayed, whoever was in charge
of Flight 77 made a drastic mistake. Rather than going ahead
with their initial plan of a two-pronged attack, they should
have commanded (or commandeered if you're partial to the
remote-control angle) Flight 77 to go solo and target the
Pentagon anyway. This way, at least a tactical excuse could
be given as to why there was no military response to the WTC
strikes. They had been temporarily disabled and thrust into
chaos, so their response times were hindered and therefore
lacking. Plus, the Manhattan events would have taken place
within minutes anyway, so they wouldn't have been capable
of initiating any type of reasonable response.
But that's not what the coordinators chose to do.
Instead, Flight 77 took off at 8:20 a.m., and rather than quickly
setting its sights on D.C., it flew across Virginia, West
Virginia, into Ohio and Kentucky—simply buying time until
8:42 a.m. when Flight 93 finally departed.
By now—41 minutes behind schedule—Flight 77 turned
around in Kentucky and made a beeline for D.C. But at this
juncture things were already running afoul, for at 8:46 am—
only four minutes later—Flight 11 hit WTC 1 in lower
Manhattan. Obviously, the Pentagon was immediately notified,
and at that precise moment—within minutes of 8:46 am—the
Department of Defense should have sprung into emergency
action mode, dispatching planes with an urgency that was
unparalleled in American history.
But they didn't. Rather, a massive military stand-down
resulted because Flight 77, which was only now en-route to
D.C, had been lollygagging for the past 22 minutes waiting
for Flight 93 to take-off. This chaos of events proved
extremely embarrassing for the government, because how
could they explain their inactivity for what seemed like an
eternity, especially under such dire conditions?
After all, doesn't the National Military Command Center
(NMCC), which is located in the Pentagon's basement,
monitor every inch of airspace over the northeastern
seaboard, while the White House has anti-aircraft missiles
mounted on its roof? Furthermore, haven't fighter jets been
dispatched thousands of times before 9-11 when aircraft flew
into restricted air space, with nary a failure once? But now,
on the morning of 9-11, four supposedly hijacked planes
were flying around all over the place, and nobody at the
Pentagon was doing anything about it. Why?
In simplest terms, the 9-11 masterminds blew it when they
didn't send Flight 77 into the Pentagon right away, as was
planned. Once they hesitated (or flinched) when Flight 93 was
delayed, they opened a can of worms that was impossible to
close back up (or be logically explained, for that matter).
 
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Three: Lack of Fire at the WTC Towers:

As I mentioned in
the introduction to this book, many people who witnessed the
complete destruction of the WTC towers live on television (or
later on the nightly news) realized instantly that structures such
as these simply couldn't fall like that, especially when the fires
inside them were dwindling and/or near the point of extinction.
In other words, steel buildings have never in the history of the
world collapsed due to fire.
To make this scenario more plausible, the planners need
to have created rip-roaring infernos inside each tower that
rivaled the Meridian Plaza fire in Philadelphia (1991) or at the
First Interstate Bank in Los Angeles. And even though we know
such fires could not have leveled these steel towers [as was
proven by the survival of Madrid's 32-story Windsor Hotel
in February 2005, which stood for two days without falling
as uncontrollable fires ravaged the structure], it would have at
least made the scenario more believable.
But neither tower was even remotely consumed by blazes.
In fact, since WTC 2 was struck at an oblique angle on its
corner and 90% of the jet fuel splashed outside the building
(creating a massive, albeit temporary, fireball), firemen were
able to easily reach the 78th floor
and stated unequivocally that they could have doused the flames
within an hour.
Such an outcome would not have sufficed for the 9-11
masterminds, for (due to a massive insurance scam) the towers had
to completely collapse. But since Thomas Eager of MIT has
admitted that the plane's impact was not sufficient to destroy the
towers, and the fires were waning only minutes after being ignited,
what we saw was an unmitigated controlled demolition live on
national television. What the government actually needed that day
to preserve credibility were out-of-control hell-fires that literally
consumed the entire structures. Such a scenario never played out,
and people soon knew that the wool had once again been pulled
over their eyes. Harking back to a bad pun by attorney Johnny
Cochran: If there was no fire, you know that they were liars.
 
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FOUR: No Flight 77 at the Pentagon:

If the government truly
wanted us to believe that Flight 77 struck the Pentagon on the
morning of September 11, 2001, all they'd have to do is show us
the videotapes which FBI agents immediately confiscated from a
Citgo gas station, Sheraton hotel, DMV, and from their own onsite
cameras. It's that simple.
Similarly, after initially claiming that Flight 77 was
"vaporized" upon impact with the Pentagon, they later changed
their story and said that virtually all the wreckage had been
collected, and was now stored in an undisclosed warehouse.
Subsequently, after being bombarded with an array of questions
about the lack of physical evidence from a Boeing 757, the small
(almost non-existent) entry hole, the pristine Pentalawn, etc—one
may ask: why doesn't the government simply get a few news
reporters with cameras, then open the doors of this "hangar"
and show us the wreckage from Flight 77? Then everything
would be cleared up.
But they can't do that because Flight 77 never hit the
Pentagon, and thus the official story is enveloped by even more
doubt. To parrot a line from a recent Hollywood movie,
"Show us the money" has now been replaced with "Show us
the plane!"
 
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FIVE: The Shoot-Down of Flight 93:

To reiterate what
was revealed during our Keith Hansen interviews, here is
what happened in southwest Pennsylvania on the morning of
9-11. Since Flight 93 was delayed for 41 minutes, by the time
it departed and reached Cleveland at 9:36 a.m., it had
become nothing more than an albatross—a literal liability on
the game plan.
My reasoning behind this conclusion is based upon a
premise developed by Dave McGowan, which maintains that
Flights 93 and 77 were supposed to depart at nearly the
same time on the morning of 9-11, and then simultaneously
strike strategic locales in Washington D.C. before the WTC
towers were attacked.
The primary target in this scenario was the Pentagon, for if
this venue was disabled or cast into chaos, then the
government had a ready-made excuse as to why they weren't
able to intercept the jets heading for New York City.
Therefore, the military stand-down which became such an
enormous embarrassment for them would have been
rendered non-existent.
But since Flight 93 was delayed for so long, by the time
it lifted-off, then turned-around at Cleveland, it had no
usefulness in regard to the plot. Still, Flight 93 was heading
directly for Washington D.C, and considering the melee that
had already ensued in NYC and at the
Pentagon, it would have been a public-relations disaster for
the U.S. military to shoot down an American passenger jet
over our nation's capitol.
Thus, from the mastermind's perspective, since their plan
already had more holes in it than a huge block of Swiss
cheese, the government surreptitiously shot down Flight 93
over Indian Lake, then immediately cordoned-off the area
where it crash-landed in New Baltimore. But being that they
absolutely did not want anyone inspecting the wreckage, a
second plane shot an ordnance into an abandoned strip mine
near Shanksville, Pa., which was subsequently used as a
diversionary site to keep the public (and media) from the
actual crash site in New Baltimore.
 
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SIX: The Delayed Destruction of WTC 7:

The controlled
demolition of WTC 7 at 5:20 p.m. has become, quite
possibly, the greatest smoking gun in the entire 9-11 inside
job scenario. It has turned into such an embarrassment that
the 9-ll Whitewash Committee didn't even confront the
issue in its quasi-Warren Report. Why? Because there is no
defending the indefensible, and there is no way to logically
explain the destruction of this 47-story building other than
via controlled demolition.
With this notion in mind, one has to ask: why would the
devils who were ultimately behind 9-11 put so much at
stake by flagrantly imploding a building in broad daylight,
especially after WTC 1 & 2 were felled seven hours earlier?
The answer, quite honestly, is that they didn't want WTC
7 to fall at 5:20 p.m., but instead wanted it to come
down much earlier ... within an hour of when the first two
towers were destroyed. But here's what happened. As many
people know, WTC 7 served as the 9-11 command center, or
strategic headquarters, for those who were in charge of
logistically destroying the WTC towers. This site was
selected because the 23rd floor of WTC 7 was Mayor Rudolf
Giuliani's $15 million dollar emergency bunker, so it was
already outfitted for such maneuvers. Plus, the 23rd floor was
perfectly suited to view both WTC 1 and WTC 2—a quality of
no small importance.
So, after Flights 11 and 175 crashed into the towers, the
planners realized that not only weren't the resulting jet fuel
fires large enough to destroy the structures, but firemen were
quickly ascending the steps of WTC 2 and had reached the
point of impact on the 78th floor. Their radio dispatches even
conveyed the fact that if a couple of extra units were sent,
they could completely put the fires out within an hour. In
addition, the "cap" of WTC 2 suddenly began to topple from
its base and actually fell 23 degrees past vertical.
Such a scenario was disastrous beyond comprehension
for the 9-11 criminals, because if the cap plunged down onto
the streets of Manhattan, it would look entirely farcical for the
rest of the tower—the lower section which hadn't been
struck by an airliner and wasn't on fire—to suddenly
collapse in broad daylight for no apparent reason in front of
millions of live TV viewers.
At that precise moment, the 9-11 implementers in Rudy
Giuliani's 23rd floor bunker pushed the panic button for WTC
2 and began a controlled demolition, bringing the tower to its
knees. Only 56 minutes had passed
since Flight 175 had struck it. Shortly thereafter, WTC 1
experienced a similar fate via a series of pre-planted
explosives, which were initiated (or set-off) from the 23rd floor
bunker in WTC 7.
Naturally, all hell broke loose in lower Manhattan, which,
if you remember correctly, was enveloped by enormous
clouds of smoke, most of which came from the WTC
towers' pulverized concrete. This time would have been ideal
for the controllers to destroy their final bit of evidence—
WTC 7 and the 23rd story bunker which served as their
nerve center. After all, they could simply evacuate the
building, then, under the cover of concrete dust and smoke
from the fires, simply perform their third and final controlled
demolition. And, with so much bedlam surrounding the
towers—fire engines, police sirens, and screaming citizens
fleeing in all directions—they could explain that falling
debris from the other towers struck WTC 7, and therefore it
crashed to the ground. Best of all, at least from their
perspective, due to thick cloud cover blanketing the area, there
would be no snooping cameras to record this obvious controlled
demolition.
But something went wrong. Once the psychopaths exited
WTC 7 and hit the panic button, the building didn't fall!
There had been some sort of malfunction. So, with time not
being on their side, they had to frantically send a crew of
technicians back into the tower and figure out what went
wrong (and then re-wire their screw-up). I wonder if they
used the same personnel as those who foiled the OKC
Bombing.
Obviously, though, this mistake put the planners in a
quandary. First of all, they had to destroy this tower, for
if investigators ever made it to the 23rd floor and discovered the
command center which was used to destroy WTC I and WTC 2
via controlled demolitions, their entire conspiracy would be
exposed. But with the concrete and smoke clouds quickly
dissipating from the streets of Manhattan, their cover would soon
be blown. I mean, how do you just destroy a 47-story building for
no apparent reason in broad daylight?
Well, as we all know by now, that's exactly what they did, for
the evidence on floor 23 was so damning to the plotters that they'd
risk anything to destroy it. So, at 5:20 p.m., WTC 7 was imploded
via a controlled demolition that took approximately 6.6 seconds.
Out of the blue, with only small, negligible fires on the 7th and 12th
floors that could hardly have been seen from the streets, this
structure fell into its own footprint. And worst of all, the
government has not to this day offered any explanation whatsoever
for how it collapsed. Not only is this scenario the height of
depraved arrogance, but it's incredible beyond words that they've
gotten away with this crime for so long.
 
Shanksville: The Lingering Questions
BY LISA GULIANI
Part 1 of 3

MAY 1, 2006

NEW BALTIMORE

The post office was nothing more than a pint-sized white
shack, and the worker there told us we needed to head over to
St. John's Church and speak with a woman named Melanie.
This would be Melanie Hankinson, to whom we refer in our
earlier interviews. We found Melanie inside the lovely church
and she related to us her story of 9-11. Melanie says the lawn
maintenance man from Beauty Lawn heard a loud "bang"
and subsequently informed Melanie that there were papers
blowing all over the churchyard. Upon inspection, she found
not only papers littering the property, but also small pieces
of metal. Melanie also told us that the FBI had set up a trailer
in New Baltimore after Flight 93 purportedly
crashed in the field at Shanksville. Locals were advised to bring
all recovered debris to this trailer and hand it over to the
Feds. Subsequently, she and other residents of the community
dutifully delivered bags of debris to the FBI as directed. Along
with papers and checks, Melanie also found small pieces of
metal in the churchyard, which she said the FBI identified as
pieces of the plane's underbelly. Keep in mind that New
Baltimore is roughly six to eight miles away from Shanksville
and the wind speed on the morning of September 11 in that
area was only nine to 10 mph.

Prior to leaving New Baltimore, we spoke with a woman
named Mrs. Oster, whose husband Charlie saw two additional
airplanes in the vicinity of Flight 93 (or something purporting
to be Flight 93) on the morning of September 11. After asking
a few questions, she very undeniably said that she, as well as
her husband, felt that this airliner had been shot from the
sky. Victor then spoke with Mr. Oster via telephone, and he
confirmed the sightings of other small white planes flanking
Flight 93.

INDIAN LAKE

Stephanie Childers works in the pro shop at a private golf
course. She told us that she saw Flight 93 intact and in the air
on the morning of 9-11 from Hoffman's Nursery,
approximately three to four miles away. She
drew us a diagram to illustrate the plane's approach and
described how she saw it descending as it flew, and then how
it abruptly went into a vertical nosedive and subsequently
crashed. She claims to have seen the windows of Flight 93.
Stephanie said that at the time it impacted, she thought there
was a bomb on the plane.

Another local named Charles McCauley chimed in at this
point. McCauley described the debris he'd recovered from his
property—black seat backings that the FBI identified as coming
from Flight 93. He had no idea how these pieces of plane seats
could have traveled miles to his house. McCauley, like
many others, turned this debris over to the FBI. Both Pile and
McCauley described lots of paper, parts of magazines, some
solid matter (pieces of seats and metal) and checks carried by
the wind in the days following 9-11, all of which was
determined by the FBI to be from Flight 93.
 
Shanksville: The Lingering Questions
BY LISA GULIANI
Part 2 of 3

SHANKSVILLE

Also, every person we spoke to told us a different rate of
speed regarding Flight 93's final moments prior to impact—
the speeds ranging from 330 miles per hour to 700 miles per
hour. We couldn't get the same story twice. The more people
we spoke to, the more it appeared that hardly anyone
actually saw anything firsthand other than multiple sightings
of Flight 93 in mid-air on the morning of 9-11. We have
located no one to date who actually witnessed the plane
crash-landing. Instead, we listened to many accounts from
locals who appeared to be repeating what they had been
told.

Bob Schmucker, "ambassador of Flight 93 temporary
memorial," told us that the entire fuselage of Flight 93 had
been pulled from the crater, describing it as "looking
crumpled-up like aluminum foil when they took it out." He
told us three local excavating companies were used to dig
out whatever was allegedly in the smoking hole, and the
excavators had gone as deep as 50 feet. He could not or
would not name them. Schmucker understood that we had
valid, serious questions and directed us to speak to Somerset
coroner and funeral director, Mr. Miller, who appears to be
the point man in this whole mess. Schmucker also stated that
a mound on the property allegedly contains both human
remains from Flight 93 and ground tree limbs. He cited
Wally Miller as the source of this information. This mound is
located within the fenced-in area adjacent to the temporary
memorial, behind the spot where the crater used to be. The
crater is now completely filled in and inaccessible to the
public. In fact, they don't even want you walking up to the
fence line.

Vicky Rock, correspondent for The Daily American
(Somerset County), told us that not all of the people
allegedly aboard Flight 93 had been identified in the analysis
of human remains after the crash. She related to us that a
Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Team (DMORT) had
assisted the FBI and the coroner Mr. Miller in making positive
identifications. DMORT's own web site states that all of the
people onboard Flight 93 were ultimately identified. However,
this local correspondent firmly stated otherwise to us. She
suggested we speak with Wally Miller for further clarification,
which we did later.
I spoke again with Ms. Rock on May 10, 2006, and once
again she refuted Mr. Miller's statement regarding the Flight
93 identifications. This time, she cited a recent comment
made by a victim family member, Betty Kemmerer, who was
related to Flight 93 passenger Hilda Marcin of Mt. Olive, NJ. At
a meeting, Mrs. Kemmerer wanted still unidentified human
remains to be entombed at the memorial site. According to
Ms. Rock, Mrs. Kemmerer was told by officials that "they
would take care of it."
Curiously, we could not purchase a copy of the
September 12 issue of The Daily American from the newspaper's
circulation department. We were told these issues are
inaccessible and in storage, and we were not allowed to
photocopy the framed article from that specific date which hung
on the wall of the newsroom. So, we had to
make a trip to their local library, where we photocopied all of
the librarian's collected news clippings pertaining to the days
immediately following 9-11. Ms. Rock expressed little—if
any—interest when we informed her that several of the
purported passengers of Flight 93 have yet to appear on the
Social Security Death Index listed as deceased, despite Mr.
Miller's issuance of presumptive death certificates shortly
after 9-11. She did not give us the impression that she was
curious about this strange phenomenon, and during my
telephone conversation with her on May 10, she stated that
neither she nor the newspaper intends to investigate the
passenger list oddities, saying, "We don't think there is any
story there." No story there?

Wally Miller, Somerset coroner and funeral director, was
the man we'd been itching to meet, since Mr. Miller was the
point man who should have been able to tell us all we needed
to know about Flight 93 wreckage, remains and debris. You
would think so, right? We thought Mrs. McClatchey's
behavior was suspect, but let me stress to you that it was
nothing compared to what we've encountered with Mr. Miller.
Mr. Miller was easy enough to find, but we weren't exactly
given the hometown welcome or
a civil greeting for that matter. We distinctly got the
impression that he had been tipped off that we were coming
to talk to him, and he grew increasingly agitated during the
three to four minutes we were graced with his presence while
standing at the side doorway of his funeral home. We had just
finished walking through Miller's funeral home looking for and
calling out to him, with no response. The whole place
appeared shut-down and by all appearances, nothing was
going on there that day in the way of viewings, etc. All the
lights were off, no chapels were set-up for wakes, no flowers
delivered or set-out in chapel rooms; nothing one would
typically expect to see preceding such funerary-type events.
When he finally answered the side door, Miller was dressed in
jeans, not the somber attire of a busy funeral director. Still,
Mr. Miller stressed to us how busy he was, how he had a lot
going on that day, and how he had no time to talk to us. He
made it sound like there were viewings scheduled and families
arriving (May 2), yet there were zero signs of any of this
during our previous walkthrough of the funeral home. Plus,
our car was the only one in his parking lot.
Mr. Miller immediately said he did not want to answer any
questions about the movie (which we hadn't intended to ask
him about anyway) and followed that up with, "I don't want
to answer any questions about the remains or the wreckage."
Odd, no? Who else should we ask about the remains and the
wreckage if not the man who was one of the first to arrive
upon the crime scene and who had jurisdiction over it? He
spent the first two-and-a-half minutes of our attempt to speak
to him trying to convince us how extremely unavailable he
would be that
day. We tried to schedule him for later on in the afternoon to
no avail. I then asked Mr. Miller if he would be open to
talking to me on the phone, and he agreed to this. During our
final 30 seconds at Miller's side door, I did manage to ask him
if all the people aboard Flight 93 had been identified, and he
agitatedly said "yes."
I then repeated the contradictory comment made to us by
correspondent Ms. Rock, whose statements refuted Mr.
Miller's. Remember, Ms. Rock told us on that same day (May 2,
2006) that the Flight 93 identifications were incomplete and
not everyone had been positively identified. Mr. Miller became
even more flustered when I questioned him about this
contradiction, barking out, "Yes, yes, everyone was
identified." Since Mr. Miller was supposedly in charge of the
Shanksville crime scene, in our view, he is a man with some
answers. Strangely enough, many people had told us to go
see Mr. Miller and they said he would be happy to talk to us.
He has been described as a solid rock of the community and
"Mr. Unflappable." Yet clearly Mr. Miller was not happy to see
or talk to us. From his demeanor, we might as well have been
trying to sell him encyclopedias. Mr. Miller is cited in several
9-11 reports as having jurisdiction over this crash site, at
least until the FBI descended upon the scene and claimed
authority over the investigation.
I have spoken with Mr. Miller via phone twice since May
2, 2006. On May 10, during the first call attempt, Mr. Miller
pretended not to remember his agreement to talk to me by
phone from just a few days ago—and when I refreshed his
memory, he promptly snarled, "Nahh, nahh, I've got nothing
to say to you people." He then hung up on me. This took
place within the span of about
33 seconds. I waited a while and then made a second call to
Mr. Miller, and this time I managed to keep him on the phone a
bit longer. However, Mr. Miller was fit to be tied during this
second call. He raised his voice, "What questions? What
questions?" And instead of allowing me the time he had
previously agreed upon days ago and allowing me to ask my
questions, he interrupted repeatedly with, "What is your
theory?" I tried to explain that all I wanted to do was ask him
some basic questions that really need answers, but he kept
yelling instead of answering. In response to the above
bellowing, I calmly stated that I didn't think the government
has been entirely truthful about the events of 9-11. He
responded with, "That's a bunch of hooey!" He used words
like "half-truths" in reference to the comments made to us
about the fuselage by Mr. Schmucker at the memorial site.
Due to his apparent and unconcealed agitation, it was very
difficult talking with Mr. Miller, or even asking any of the
questions I'd compiled. I brought up the matter of how several
people from Flight 93, for whom he had issued presumptive
death certificates shortly after 9-11, have not appeared listed
as deceased on the Social Security Death Index. He became
irate, and his answer was, "I don't work for the Social
Security Administration." It's kind of hard for me to believe
that Mr. Miller has conducted himself in this same fashion
during countless hours of interviews he'd given in the past to
scores of media correspondents. So why would Mr. Miller flip
out like this with me before I even had an opportunity to ask
more than one or two of the 22 questions I'd compiled? In
fact, he acted in this manner from the very first second he saw
us at his door. The question is, why?
Considering his strange responses, I asked him if he was under a
gag order and unable to talk to me about the wreckage or the
remains. He quickly denied this, stating that he'd given many
interviews before; and then in the same breath he proceeded to
hurl a name at me in between the yelling. He told me to contact
Bill Crowley from the FBI and ask him my questions. Bill Crowley,
eh? So, Mr. Miller isn't under a gag order, but he immediately
referred me to the FBI for information. This is very interesting,
especially since Mr. Miller has remained accessible for so many
previous mainstream interviews and has spoken at length with
journalists over the last four or so years. He apparently felt
comfortable enough in doing those interviews, but curiously, not
this one.
Moreover, if you examine those past Mr. Miller interviews, they
are all pro-official story, pro-government conspiracy theory. They
were softball fluff interviews, all vomiting the same questions and
canned responses like a script. Obviously, he had no problem
maintaining his composure or modulating his voice during those Q
& A sessions. You see, those reporters asked Mr. Miller the "right"
questions. And you can bet your bottom dollar he didn't send
mainstream reporters scurrying off to the FBI for answers to their
fluffy questions. Nope, he simply fielded them himself. Yet, he
became obnoxious, uncooperative and high-pitched with me on the
phone in a matter of minutes, and then punted me to Pittsburgh FBI
agent Crowley. Now remember, Mr. Miller denies he is under a
gag order.
Suddenly during our second phone call, Mr. Miller barked out,
"I've read your business card! Citizens to Discredit (unintelligible
word). Are you kidding me?" I
thought for a second and replied, "Sir, I don't think I gave you a
business card. In fact, I know we never gave you a business
card." There was a brief pause on the line, and then Mr.
Miller proceeded to hang up on me once again. How odd is
this? In addition, my business card does not bear the words
"Citizens to Discredit...."
It's noteworthy that I had never met or spoken to the
Shanksville coroner prior to May 2 and have only achieved
three minutes of actual face time with him thus far beyond the
very few minutes he spent yelling at me and hanging up on
me on two separate occasions on May 10, 2006. I have come
away from these three interactions with a very distinct
impression: Mr. Miller is afraid to talk to me for some reason,
and from where I sit he's not handling the pressure of
potentially "dangerous" questions too well. I have never
handed him a business card, so if he did manage to see my
card, there are only a few possibilities as to where he might
have seen one. Greg Chiapelli and Ms. Rock are two names
that immediately come to mind, since we gave these
individuals business cards. Mr. Miller must have realized he
slipped up, and so he hung up instead of explaining how he
could have read a card I never gave him.
From what we could determine from those we spoke with,
the FBI took control over everything involving the crash of
Flight 93 from the second they arrived. They reportedly
remained on the scene for approximately two-and-a-half
weeks according to locals. Yet, Mr. Miller also must know
what was there at the crash site. He's the man who can tell
us what we need to know about the plane wreckage, debris
field and human tissue remains identification. Yet, Mr. Miller
isn't talking. He's flapping
and balking, but he sure isn't talking. It seems to me that Mr.
Miller is owned by the FBI. All indicators point to a cover-up.
Not surprisingly, all roads are leading toward the FBI.
 
Shanksville: The Lingering Questions
BY LISA GULIANI
Part 3 of 3

Corporal Buncich, Pennsylvania State Police—We asked
Officer Buncich if he had any information regarding an area of
New Baltimore being cordoned off by the FBI and state
police on 9-11. He did not deny that this may have
happened, but said that they had to report to any and all
areas where debris, wreckage and remains had been reported
on the morning of 9-11 and the days that followed. When
asked if we could see copies of the state police reports, he
stated there were no reports filed by the state police regarding
9-11, which we found most peculiar. No reports filed by the
state police? We were told that the FBI had taken charge of
the crash site and investigation, and that they were the
information gatherers. Buncich, with a knowing smile, coyly
suggested we inquire with the FBI, adding that they would
most likely be uncooperative with us.

Greg Chiapelli, Somerset Hospital, director of media
relations—Mr. Chiapelli advised us that Somerset Hospital
received no bodies from the purported crash of Flight 93 on 9-
11. We asked him if he knew of any area cordoned off in New
Baltimore by the Feds and State Police, and he denied any
knowledge of this. I asked him if he knew of any phone call
made to Somerset Hospital on the morning of 9-11, during
which emergency room personnel were advised to prepare to
receive victims from two separate plane crashes. He was
silent for a moment,
and then stated he was unaware of any such call. He then
proceeded to tell us that he felt very uncomfortable talking to
us and would need to check us out and get clearance before
he could speak any further. We asked him why he needed to
"check us out" before he could talk to us about 9-11, and he
replied "I have never heard of you. I need to check you out
first." We provided him with our business cards for this
purpose. We couldn't get him to say anything else except that
he would contact us once he checked out who we were and
what we do. Not surprisingly, we haven't heard from him at
this point, so I will now be giving him a call to follow up.

Somerset County Volunteer Firefighter—One unidentified
volunteer firefighter remarked to us that the FBI seemed to
know what was going on from the minute they arrived upon
the Flight 93 crash scene. He was very suspicious of this at
the time and remains so to this day. He told us that the
information we want to know is most likely in the hands of
the FBI or CIA and will probably never be made public. He
didn't actually see anything himself, but simply repeated to us
hearsay from other firemen and locals. Over and over, we
listened to locals telling us about body parts and fingers
being found and how human remains and plane wreckage had
been discovered hanging in the infamous Shanksville crash
site tree line. Yet, no publicly available photographic evidence
to date supports these assertions. We wonder why so many
people are trying to push the notion that debris and remains
would only be ejected onto one side of the crash site (the tree
line), rather than on all sides, which makes much more
sense. They claim that the reason we
can't see any debris, wreckage or remains is because these
materials are "obscured" by the trees. Yet, there should be
ample evidence of debris, remains and wreckage on the other
three sides of the crater as well as the tree line location.
Available photos do not show any significant damage to the
trees themselves, presenting only a partially burnt tree line.
We have looked at some close-up photos of the trees, and no
human remains wreckage, or debris is visible. The damage
presented in photos is, just as is the case with WTC l and 2,
asymmetrical and leaves us with more questions than
answers.

We also spoke with dozens of other Somerset County
locals during our trip, including Terry Butler from
Stoystown Auto Wrecker; two different employees of
Rollock's Scrap Yard (one of whom said he saw the plane
flying belly-up); and the night auditor at a motel in
Somerset who provided us with some very interesting
information.
 

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