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9 farm workers deained in ND on immigration charges

Faster horses

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This was in our local paper. Be sure to read to the bottom.

FARGO ND (AP). Nine of 32 farm laborers detained in May in southeast ND have pleaded guilty to criminal charges and been turned over to immigration officers for deportation.

Assistant US Attorney Nick Chase says nine men entered guilty pleas to charges of either re-entry following deportation or possessing counterfeit documents. They were sentenced to time served.

Chase said the other farm laborers were turned over to immigration officials upon their May 19 arrests at Four Star Ag, a farm corporaton located in Oakes, ND. He wasn't sure whether any of those men had been deported yet.

Four Star Ag owner Barry Vculek says he hired the men through a labor contractor in Oregon and didn't know they were in the country illegally. Neither Four Star Ag nor Vculek have been charged with any crime.
 
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Anonymous

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We (and by we I mean folks like Four Star Ag, its owner Barry Vculek, Walmart, Swift/Tyson/Excel/etal, etc. etc.) are our own worse enemies in the immigration problem... They want their cheap semislave labor- be it in business or with their poolboys, maids, gardeners, etc.- but don't want to pay for the social problems that come with that....

Now how many of you believe this Vculek fellow didn't know that any of the 32 illegal folks he hired was illegal :???: ...I wonder how many of them that had been previously deported and pled guilty to "re-entry following deportation" had been working on the same place when caught before... :???:

Now if you gave Vculek a 6 month sentence on each count (32 counts)- and even if you suspended all but 10 days of it- leaving him with the next offense of facing all the suspended plus a graduated 1 year sentence for each illegal he hires-- I'd bet he'd think twice- and do some serious record checking before he hired another.....

Problem is- it will never happen- because Big/Corporate business's greed wants to be able to cut corners and does not want to lose that semislave labor....
 

Larrry

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I'm not so sure about it being semislave labor. I know many illegals making pretty good money.

I know of outfits that won't hire white guys because they want them to get along and communicate together,
 

hopalong

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Oldtimer said:
We (and by we I mean folks like Four Star Ag, its owner Barry Vculek, Walmart, Swift/Tyson/Excel/etal, etc. etc.) are our own worse enemies in the immigration problem... They want their cheap semislave labor- be it in business or with their poolboys, maids, gardeners, etc.- but don't want to pay for the social problems that come with that....

Now how many of you believe this Vculek fellow didn't know that any of the 32 illegal folks he hired was illegal :???: ...I wonder how many of them that had been previously deported and pled guilty to "re-entry following deportation" had been working on the same place when caught before... :???:

Now if you gave Vculek a 6 month sentence on each count (32 counts)- and even if you suspended all but 10 days of it- leaving him with the next offense of facing all the suspended plus a graduated 1 year sentence for each illegal he hires-- I'd bet he'd think twice- and do some serious record checking before he hired another.....

Problem is- it will never happen- because Big/Corporate business's greed wants to be able to cut corners and does not want to lose that semislave labor....

Who in the company are you going to charge?
You being a J.P. know darned well there is no way you could make any charge stick that thaty person knew
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Come on oldtimer you ge weaker and weaker every day in your arguments.
E verify fails and this was supposed to do the job.
NEXT argument????
EH?
DO you verify through every person that works for you making sure they are legal??
What about the guy that delivers a load of feed?
THe guy who delivers a load of fuel?
Works on your tractors?
I'm betting you don't check the guy that serves you the drinks at the watering hole?

EH?
 
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Anonymous

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Who in the company are you going to charge?

If you made the top man the person ultimately responsible for what his company does (like he should be)- he'd better make sure his employees don't screw up....Whoever ultimately is responsible for that person getting a paycheck should be the person held responsible- whether he be the owner- CEO- manager- whatever.......

And all your other BS to make it a personal attack is just that- BS- I don't hire them....They do not work for me...
 

hypocritexposer

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Base the fines on company size. Say $10,000 for a first offense, $5000/illegal found after that.

For larger companies, just raise the fine. $20,000/$10,000.

This would make the whole organization responsible. Use the fines for further enforcement.
 
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Anonymous

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hypocritexposer said:
Base the fines on company size. Say $10,000 for a first offense, $5000/illegal found after that.

For larger companies, just raise the fine. $20,000/$10,000.

This would make the whole organization responsible. Use the fines for further enforcement.

Possiblity- but so often those Big Corporates think paying fines is like throwing out chicken feed- and well worth the chances of getting caught- for the profit they make.... I'd start putting some jail time behind it.... If nothing else- someone has to sign the fellows hiring slip/check , whatever-- make that guy criminally responsible and see if his job is worth cutting corners for his boss/CEO... After a few personal managers go to jail- and get a criminal record- that might be a hard to fill position...
 

hopalong

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Two years after Arizona began requiring all employers to use a federal online program to ensure a legal workforce, a new study indicates that illegal workers are slipping through the system more than half of the time by using stolen identities.

Fifty-four percent of the illegal workers whose names were run through the program nationwide were wrongly found to be authorized to work, according to the report by Westat, a Maryland research company hired by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to evaluate the system, known as E-Verify.


The system's high inaccuracy rate for illegal workers using stolen identities has greatly alarmed business groups in Arizona.

The state's 2008 employer-sanctions law mandates that employers use E-Verify and gives authorities the power to close down businesses found to be knowingly hiring illegal workers.

"Arizona employers are relying when they sign up for E-Verify that this is an accurate program," said Glenn Hamer, president and CEO of the Arizona Chamber of Commerce and Industry. "If the system is busted, it's obviously unfair to punish employers."

In 2008, Arizona became the first state in the nation to require all employers to use E-Verify. Since then, more than 33,000 Arizona businesses have signed up for the program, the highest number of any state, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, which oversees E-Verify.

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has raided 30 businesses under the employer-sanctions law and has arrested hundreds of workers accused of using forgery, fraud and identity theft to gain employment illegally.

In November, County Attorney Andrew Thomas also filed a complaint against a custom-cabinet and -furniture business, the Scottsdale Art Factory.

And, in December, Thomas announced sanctions against a water park, but the sanctions never took effect because the park closed after it was raided. The water park has since reopened under new management.

State Rep. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills, who co-sponsored Arizona's sanctions law, said he is disappointed E-Verify has such a high inaccuracy rate for illegal workers, but he defended the program.

"It's disappointing to know that the best tool available is not that effective, but it's better than no tool," he said.

"It also shows the need to improve the system," either through enhancing photo checks or introducing biometric checks, such as fingerprint scanning.

Arizona's sanctions law spurred other states to pass similar laws as part of an effort to crack down on illegal immigration. Eleven other states now require at least some, if not all, businesses to use E-Verify.

The program is voluntary in other states. A total of 188,358 businesses out of about 7 million employers have signed up to use E-Verify nationwide. However, some members of Congress are pushing to make E-Verify mandatory nationwide.

E-Verify allows employers to use an online program to run a worker's information against Homeland Security and Social Security databases to check whether the person is authorized to work in the U.S.

The Westat report, which studied data from September 2007 to June 2008, found that 93 percent of the workers checked by employers were accurately deemed authorized to work. The system wrongly flagged less than 1 percent of legal workers as being unauthorized.

About 6 percent of the people run through the system should not have been authorized to work, the report said, but nearly 54 percent of them were wrongly deemed authorized. That 54 percent amounts to about 3.3 percent of the total workers run through the system.

The accuracy checks are estimates based on federal records and interviews with employers, workers and federal staff.

Last fiscal year, about 8.5 million queries were run through the system.

Bill Wright, a spokesman for the CIS in Washington, said the Westat report shows that overall, E-Verify is effective at preventing illegal immigrants from getting jobs, but he acknowledged the system has problems screening out those using stolen identities.

"I don't mean to trivialize it. Certainly, it's an issue," he said.

The government recently added a tool aimed at cutting down on the number of illegal workers who slip through E-Verify using stolen identities by letting employers match photos on green cards against photos in government immigration databases, he said.

The government also wants to work out agreements with states that incorporate driver's-license databases into the E-Verify system to further screen out illegal workers using stolen identities.

Marc Rosenblum, a senior policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute, a research group in Washington, D.C., said the fact that 54 percent of illegal workers are slipping through E-Verify shows that the program is not an adequate tool.

"That's a pretty bad success rate," he said. "The bottom line is we can't expect E-Verify to solve the problem by itself."

Jim Harper, director of information-policy studies at the Cato Institute, said the study shows E-Verify is not only ineffective but that the program likely has spurred more illegal immigrants to use stolen identities to circumvent the system.

"The chances are very strong that is what happened," Harper said. The institute is a libertarian group in Washington, D.C., that favors increases in legal immigration over enforcement measures to solve illegal immigration.

In the past, illegal immigrants mostly used fake documents with invented Social Security numbers to get jobs. But recently, law-enforcement officials in Arizona have seen an increase in identity theft involving Social Security numbers and other information belonging to real people.

"We've probably arrested 30 individuals (since November) that all had to do with identity theft involving real (Social Security numbers)," said David Lugo, a detective who investigates document fraud for the Arizona Department of Transportation.

The increase in identity theft comes as the state's ability to investigate such crimes has been diminished. In November, the Arizona Fraudulent Identification Task Force made up of investigators from several law-enforcement agencies was eliminated due to budget cuts, said Lugo, a former member.

Republic reporter JJ Hensley contributed to this article.



EH? oldtimer
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Base the fines on company size. Say $10,000 for a first offense, $5000/illegal found after that.

For larger companies, just raise the fine. $20,000/$10,000.

This would make the whole organization responsible. Use the fines for further enforcement.

Possiblity- but so often those Big Corporates think paying fines is like throwing out chicken feed- and well worth the chances of getting caught- for the profit they make.... I'd start putting some jail time behind it.... If nothing else- someone has to sign the fellows hiring slip/check , whatever-- make that guy criminally responsible and see if his job is worth cutting corners for his boss/CEO... After a few personal managers go to jail- and get a criminal record- that might be a hard to fill position...

Just make the fine c omparable to what they are saving by hiring illegals then. If they are hiring illegals with profit as the incentive, then take away the incentive.

Put some jail time behind it after so many violations. Jail time doesn't help pay the "social costs" as you put it.
 

Lonecowboy

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If you made the top man the person ultimately responsible for what his company does (like he should be)- he'd better make sure his employees don't screw up....Whoever ultimately is responsible for that person getting a paycheck should be the person held responsible- whether he be the owner- CEO- manager- whatever.......

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Foe once I agree with OT-

but don't stop there, take this to government too-
make them personally responsible, hold them accountable for their actions
no passing the buck, blaming others (BO)etc.
 

Larrry

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Lonecowboy said:
Foe once I agree with OT-

but don't stop there, take this to government too-
make them personally responsible, hold them accountable for their actions
no passing the buck, blaming others (BO)etc.

Does this include welfare and other social program for illegals?
 

Bullhauler

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hopalong said:
Two years after Arizona began requiring all employers to use a federal online program to ensure a legal workforce, a new study indicates that illegal workers are slipping through the system more than half of the time by using stolen identities.

Fifty-four percent of the illegal workers whose names were run through the program nationwide were wrongly found to be authorized to work, according to the report by Westat, a Maryland research company hired by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to evaluate the system, known as E-Verify.


The system's high inaccuracy rate for illegal workers using stolen identities has greatly alarmed business groups in Arizona.

The state's 2008 employer-sanctions law mandates that employers use E-Verify and gives authorities the power to close down businesses found to be knowingly hiring illegal workers.

"Arizona employers are relying when they sign up for E-Verify that this is an accurate program," said Glenn Hamer, president and CEO of the Arizona Chamber of Commerce and Industry. "If the system is busted, it's obviously unfair to punish employers."

In 2008, Arizona became the first state in the nation to require all employers to use E-Verify. Since then, more than 33,000 Arizona businesses have signed up for the program, the highest number of any state, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, which oversees E-Verify.

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has raided 30 businesses under the employer-sanctions law and has arrested hundreds of workers accused of using forgery, fraud and identity theft to gain employment illegally.

In November, County Attorney Andrew Thomas also filed a complaint against a custom-cabinet and -furniture business, the Scottsdale Art Factory.

And, in December, Thomas announced sanctions against a water park, but the sanctions never took effect because the park closed after it was raided. The water park has since reopened under new management.

State Rep. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills, who co-sponsored Arizona's sanctions law, said he is disappointed E-Verify has such a high inaccuracy rate for illegal workers, but he defended the program.

"It's disappointing to know that the best tool available is not that effective, but it's better than no tool," he said.

"It also shows the need to improve the system," either through enhancing photo checks or introducing biometric checks, such as fingerprint scanning.

Arizona's sanctions law spurred other states to pass similar laws as part of an effort to crack down on illegal immigration. Eleven other states now require at least some, if not all, businesses to use E-Verify.

The program is voluntary in other states. A total of 188,358 businesses out of about 7 million employers have signed up to use E-Verify nationwide. However, some members of Congress are pushing to make E-Verify mandatory nationwide.

E-Verify allows employers to use an online program to run a worker's information against Homeland Security and Social Security databases to check whether the person is authorized to work in the U.S.

The Westat report, which studied data from September 2007 to June 2008, found that 93 percent of the workers checked by employers were accurately deemed authorized to work. The system wrongly flagged less than 1 percent of legal workers as being unauthorized.

About 6 percent of the people run through the system should not have been authorized to work, the report said, but nearly 54 percent of them were wrongly deemed authorized. That 54 percent amounts to about 3.3 percent of the total workers run through the system.

The accuracy checks are estimates based on federal records and interviews with employers, workers and federal staff.

Last fiscal year, about 8.5 million queries were run through the system.

Bill Wright, a spokesman for the CIS in Washington, said the Westat report shows that overall, E-Verify is effective at preventing illegal immigrants from getting jobs, but he acknowledged the system has problems screening out those using stolen identities.

"I don't mean to trivialize it. Certainly, it's an issue," he said.

The government recently added a tool aimed at cutting down on the number of illegal workers who slip through E-Verify using stolen identities by letting employers match photos on green cards against photos in government immigration databases, he said.

The government also wants to work out agreements with states that incorporate driver's-license databases into the E-Verify system to further screen out illegal workers using stolen identities.

Marc Rosenblum, a senior policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute, a research group in Washington, D.C., said the fact that 54 percent of illegal workers are slipping through E-Verify shows that the program is not an adequate tool.

"That's a pretty bad success rate," he said. "The bottom line is we can't expect E-Verify to solve the problem by itself."

Jim Harper, director of information-policy studies at the Cato Institute, said the study shows E-Verify is not only ineffective but that the program likely has spurred more illegal immigrants to use stolen identities to circumvent the system.

"The chances are very strong that is what happened," Harper said. The institute is a libertarian group in Washington, D.C., that favors increases in legal immigration over enforcement measures to solve illegal immigration.

In the past, illegal immigrants mostly used fake documents with invented Social Security numbers to get jobs. But recently, law-enforcement officials in Arizona have seen an increase in identity theft involving Social Security numbers and other information belonging to real people.

"We've probably arrested 30 individuals (since November) that all had to do with identity theft involving real (Social Security numbers)," said David Lugo, a detective who investigates document fraud for the Arizona Department of Transportation.

The increase in identity theft comes as the state's ability to investigate such crimes has been diminished. In November, the Arizona Fraudulent Identification Task Force made up of investigators from several law-enforcement agencies was eliminated due to budget cuts, said Lugo, a former member.

Republic reporter JJ Hensley contributed to this article.



EH? oldtimer

You can always tell when Ed plagerizes an article. No personal attacks in the first sentence and half the words aren't misspelled.
 

hopalong

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Bullhauler said:
hopalong said:
Two years after Arizona began requiring all employers to use a federal online program to ensure a legal workforce, a new study indicates that illegal workers are slipping through the system more than half of the time by using stolen identities.

Fifty-four percent of the illegal workers whose names were run through the program nationwide were wrongly found to be authorized to work, according to the report by Westat, a Maryland research company hired by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to evaluate the system, known as E-Verify.


The system's high inaccuracy rate for illegal workers using stolen identities has greatly alarmed business groups in Arizona.

The state's 2008 employer-sanctions law mandates that employers use E-Verify and gives authorities the power to close down businesses found to be knowingly hiring illegal workers.

"Arizona employers are relying when they sign up for E-Verify that this is an accurate program," said Glenn Hamer, president and CEO of the Arizona Chamber of Commerce and Industry. "If the system is busted, it's obviously unfair to punish employers."

In 2008, Arizona became the first state in the nation to require all employers to use E-Verify. Since then, more than 33,000 Arizona businesses have signed up for the program, the highest number of any state, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, which oversees E-Verify.

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has raided 30 businesses under the employer-sanctions law and has arrested hundreds of workers accused of using forgery, fraud and identity theft to gain employment illegally.

In November, County Attorney Andrew Thomas also filed a complaint against a custom-cabinet and -furniture business, the Scottsdale Art Factory.

And, in December, Thomas announced sanctions against a water park, but the sanctions never took effect because the park closed after it was raided. The water park has since reopened under new management.

State Rep. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills, who co-sponsored Arizona's sanctions law, said he is disappointed E-Verify has such a high inaccuracy rate for illegal workers, but he defended the program.

"It's disappointing to know that the best tool available is not that effective, but it's better than no tool," he said.

"It also shows the need to improve the system," either through enhancing photo checks or introducing biometric checks, such as fingerprint scanning.

Arizona's sanctions law spurred other states to pass similar laws as part of an effort to crack down on illegal immigration. Eleven other states now require at least some, if not all, businesses to use E-Verify.

The program is voluntary in other states. A total of 188,358 businesses out of about 7 million employers have signed up to use E-Verify nationwide. However, some members of Congress are pushing to make E-Verify mandatory nationwide.

E-Verify allows employers to use an online program to run a worker's information against Homeland Security and Social Security databases to check whether the person is authorized to work in the U.S.

The Westat report, which studied data from September 2007 to June 2008, found that 93 percent of the workers checked by employers were accurately deemed authorized to work. The system wrongly flagged less than 1 percent of legal workers as being unauthorized.

About 6 percent of the people run through the system should not have been authorized to work, the report said, but nearly 54 percent of them were wrongly deemed authorized. That 54 percent amounts to about 3.3 percent of the total workers run through the system.

The accuracy checks are estimates based on federal records and interviews with employers, workers and federal staff.

Last fiscal year, about 8.5 million queries were run through the system.

Bill Wright, a spokesman for the CIS in Washington, said the Westat report shows that overall, E-Verify is effective at preventing illegal immigrants from getting jobs, but he acknowledged the system has problems screening out those using stolen identities.

"I don't mean to trivialize it. Certainly, it's an issue," he said.

The government recently added a tool aimed at cutting down on the number of illegal workers who slip through E-Verify using stolen identities by letting employers match photos on green cards against photos in government immigration databases, he said.

The government also wants to work out agreements with states that incorporate driver's-license databases into the E-Verify system to further screen out illegal workers using stolen identities.

Marc Rosenblum, a senior policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute, a research group in Washington, D.C., said the fact that 54 percent of illegal workers are slipping through E-Verify shows that the program is not an adequate tool.

"That's a pretty bad success rate," he said. "The bottom line is we can't expect E-Verify to solve the problem by itself."

Jim Harper, director of information-policy studies at the Cato Institute, said the study shows E-Verify is not only ineffective but that the program likely has spurred more illegal immigrants to use stolen identities to circumvent the system.

"The chances are very strong that is what happened," Harper said. The institute is a libertarian group in Washington, D.C., that favors increases in legal immigration over enforcement measures to solve illegal immigration.

In the past, illegal immigrants mostly used fake documents with invented Social Security numbers to get jobs. But recently, law-enforcement officials in Arizona have seen an increase in identity theft involving Social Security numbers and other information belonging to real people.

"We've probably arrested 30 individuals (since November) that all had to do with identity theft involving real (Social Security numbers)," said David Lugo, a detective who investigates document fraud for the Arizona Department of Transportation.

The increase in identity theft comes as the state's ability to investigate such crimes has been diminished. In November, the Arizona Fraudulent Identification Task Force made up of investigators from several law-enforcement agencies was eliminated due to budget cuts, said Lugo, a former member.

Republic reporter JJ Hensley contributed to this article.


EH? oldtimer

You can always tell when Ed plagerizes an article. No personal attacks in the first sentence and half the words aren't misspelled.


How can you claim plagerizing bullhauler??? Main Entry: pla·gia·rize
Pronunciation: \ˈplā-jə-ˌrīz also -jē-ə-\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): pla·gia·rized; pla·gia·riz·ing
Etymology: plagiary
Date: 1716
transitive verb
: to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
intransitive verb
: to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source

— pla·gia·riz·er noun


OH and according to my spell checker your spelling of plagiarizes is wrong, almighty spell miester :wink:


Maybe you should read my tag line and try to grasp just what you said :wink: :wink: :wink:
 
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