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Red Robin

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Our government exceeded the spending cap placed on our national debt and now owes more than 9 trillion dollars. I have heard that is 30,000 for every man , woman , and child. The spending is out of control. The government had no choice but to exceed the spending cap or default but they had a choice when they proposed the last couple of decades budgets that created this monster. Where will it end. When you go to the polls this fall vote prolife. Within the prolife candidates, vote for someone fiscally conservative with the integrity to keep his or her word. Liberty Bell, don't forget your upbringing if you ever decide to go to Washington. I'm no politician so these figures could be wrong. If anyone has any correct input or thinking , feel free. Dis, your input would be no more credible than the disinguine Democrats voting against exceeding the cap. Most of them certainly helped in creating this debt , now they want to default?
 

theHiredMansWife

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Congress has been Republican-controlled since what? 1994? Twelve years.
Both Congress and the Presidency have been Republican controlled since 2000. Six years.
Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, this president has been one of the spendiest ones in history. And his war is a fairly minor one compared to some that have preceeded it, so that's not the excuse.



Aren't conservatives supposed to be about fiscal responsibility and lack of government intrusion? Aren't liberals supposed to be the ones who spend money willy-nilly and welcome gov't regulations and intrusions?
Republicans have been spending money like a drunken sailor... But at least a drunken sailor is spending his own money. And Bush has never vetoed anything, mush less a chance to blow some more money!
 

Disagreeable

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Red Robin said:
Our government exceeded the spending cap placed on our national debt and now owes more than 9 trillion dollars. I have heard that is 30,000 for every man , woman , and child. The spending is out of control. The government had no choice but to exceed the spending cap or default but they had a choice when they proposed the last couple of decades budgets that created this monster. Where will it end. When you go to the polls this fall vote prolife. Within the prolife candidates, vote for someone fiscally conservative with the integrity to keep his or her word. Liberty Bell, don't forget your upbringing if you ever decide to go to Washington. I'm no politician so these figures could be wrong. If anyone has any correct input or thinking , feel free. Dis, your input would be no more credible than the disinguine Democrats voting against exceeding the cap. Most of them certainly helped in creating this debt , now they want to default?

ROTFLMAO! The Republican Party took control of the US Government and have spent us into the largest debt in my memory and you want to blame it on the Democrats. :lol: :lol:

We're spending $1.1 billion dollars a week in Iraq. The Republicans have cut college grants, medicade, project cuts in veterans benefits, raising the cost of the retired military health program, Tricare., people still living in hotels, tents, their cars on the Gulf coast... But Republicans will send billions to fund Bush's personal war. Keep talking, Red Robin. Americans have stopped listening.
 

theHiredMansWife

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I think the problem basically boils down to balance.
Historically speaking, Democrats were the ones that liked to spend money. Republicans provided the balance by saying, "No, we can't afford that this year."

But here in the last ten or fifteen years, Republicans have decided they like to spend money, too! The balance is gone and the deficit is proof. Neoconservatism at it's best. :roll:
 

Red Robin

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You girls are spouting the party line, not me. I'm the one that posted it. I'm the one that is looking at it fair and balanced. The spending problem is certainly bipartisian. There are spending idiots on both sides of the isle. As a matter of fact, the higher the ranking the politician, the more pork spending . Here is a list compiled by someone of pork barrell spending. I wouldn't agree that all of it is unnecessary but some of it is. Why don't you girls take a look and see if there are any D's in front of some of these names.
http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_pigbook2005
 

Disagreeable

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I've always thought we were better off to have the branches of government split between the parties. Since the Republicans have taken control of the House, they've raised bitter partisanship to a new level.
 

BBJ

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stevec said:
The difference is that Republicans spend money on guns, and Democrats spend money on butter.

Neither side seems to understand that government spending is creating problems, not solving them. However, the central problem is still at the Federal Reserve. As soon as the government prints the money it devalues it by charging Interest.

Then it expects to be paid taxes in the same currency that it just devalued.

The whole system is nuts.

The only way to properly fix it is to start over: a Worldwide Jubilee.

What an insignificant little twit your are stevec. :roll:
 

Disagreeable

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Red Robin said:
You girls are spouting the party line, not me. I'm the one that posted it. I'm the one that is looking at it fair and balanced. The spending problem is certainly bipartisian. There are spending idiots on both sides of the isle. As a matter of fact, the higher the ranking the politician, the more pork spending . Here is a list compiled by someone of pork barrell spending. I wouldn't agree that all of it is unnecessary but some of it is. Why don't you girls take a look and see if there are any D's in front of some of these names.
http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_pigbook2005

Of course there are Democrats bringing home the pork. They couldn't get re-elected if they gave up their share of pork. I can imagine what their Republican opponent would say at the next campaign if other states got billions in pork and the Democratic Senators didn't bring home their share. Democrat Nancy Palosi offered to give up her "earmarks" after Katrina if Republicans would give up theirs. The discussion at the time was the "bridge to nowhere" in Alaska. Republican Senator Stevens flatly refused. Just like Republicans tried to paint Dems guilty of taking bribes from Abramoff, you're trying to push the responsibility for the debt on Democrats. Neither one will work. This is a Republican government. Besides, everyone knows Democrats like to spend. :lol: It's the Republicans who have claimed to be fiscally responsible.
 

Disagreeable

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BBJ said:
stevec said:
The difference is that Republicans spend money on guns, and Democrats spend money on butter.

Neither side seems to understand that government spending is creating problems, not solving them. However, the central problem is still at the Federal Reserve. As soon as the government prints the money it devalues it by charging Interest.

Then it expects to be paid taxes in the same currency that it just devalued.

The whole system is nuts.

The only way to properly fix it is to start over: a Worldwide Jubilee.

What an insignificant little twit your are stevec. :roll:

Oh, what a statment. I know SteveC must be crushed by that rejoinder. :lol:
 

BBJ

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Disagreeable said:
BBJ said:
stevec said:
The difference is that Republicans spend money on guns, and Democrats spend money on butter.

Neither side seems to understand that government spending is creating problems, not solving them. However, the central problem is still at the Federal Reserve. As soon as the government prints the money it devalues it by charging Interest.

Then it expects to be paid taxes in the same currency that it just devalued.

The whole system is nuts.

The only way to properly fix it is to start over: a Worldwide Jubilee.

What an insignificant little twit your are stevec. :roll:

Oh, what a statment. I know SteveC must be crushed by that rejoinder. :lol:
And what makes you think anybody cares to hear your opinion on it? Maybe you and stevec could just pm each other. good day dizzy! :p
 

Mike

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The difference is that Republicans spend money on guns, and Democrats spend money on butter.

Oh no. You should have seen the "Democrats" at the gun show here last weekend. They had the cash too!

They were wearing baggy pants and had their caps turned backwards. You could tell a lot of the vendors were ignoring them.

They weren't buying hunting guns either.

I think it ought to be against the law to sell a gun to a Democrat.
 

Jinglebob

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stevec said:
BBJ said:
And now, Athenians, I am not going to argue for my own sake, as you may think, but for that you may not sin against the God by condemning me, who am his gift to you. For if you kill me you will not easily find a successor to me, who, if I may use such a ludicrous figure of speech, am a sort of gadfly, given to the state by God; and the state is a great and noble steed who is tardy in his motions owing to his very size, and requires to be stirred into life. I am that gadfly which God has attached to the state, and all day long and in all places am always fastening upon you, arousing and persuading and reproaching you. You will not easily find another like me, and therefore I would advise you to spare me. I dare say that you may feel out of temper (like a person who is suddenly awakened from sleep), and you think that you might easily strike me dead as Anytus advises, and then you would sleep on for the remainder of your lives, unless God in his care of you sent you another gadfly.

Good quote. What passage is it?
 

theHiredMansWife

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Besides, everyone knows Democrats like to spend. It's the Republicans who have claimed to be fiscally responsible.

I think you're right, Dis. Like I said, I think the balance is out of whack. Democrats are expected to spend money. Republicans are expected to restrain that spending. That's a basic premise of their platform, afterall. But they've been doing just the opposite.
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That's also what put those "disingenuine Democrats" in that strange position of looking at the raising of the deficit lid and saying, "Hey...Wait a second..."
 
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