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900 million dollars to Gaza

aplusmnt

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Does Obama not realize when you are broke you are broke! $900 million to people that hate us! I am tired of paying taxes to see it spent like this! We are going to help rebuild an area that we should be leveling with bombers. They say Hamas will not control the money, but bull crap Hamas will benefit from the money and plot our demise on the paper we paid for.

I am so sick of idiot politicians!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29352401
 

kolanuraven

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aplusmnt said:
Does Obama not realize when you are broke you are broke! $900 million to people that hate us! I am tired of paying taxes to see it spent like this! We are going to help rebuild an area that we should be leveling with bombers. They say Hamas will not control the money, but bull crap Hamas will benefit from the money and plot our demise on the paper we paid for.

I am so sick of idiot politicians!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29352401


All Gazans are not bad......most of them are trapped like fish in a barrel....but.... I think Israel should bear 99.9% of the repair of the area as they are the ones who destroyed it.



I have no problem with sending some aid in the form of food, supplies, medicines as that can do some good quickly and get into the hands of the actual people in need .


Just sending a big fat ck.....NO! It will be stolen and ' divvied' up between the radical parts.


Again, Israel should receive less of aid from us--as they get too much already--......and then send that $$$$ to Gaza....thus in a round about way Israel pays for the rebuild.

I would not trust Israel to send money since they won't even send food and fuel when needed.
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
aplusmnt said:
Does Obama not realize when you are broke you are broke! $900 million to people that hate us! I am tired of paying taxes to see it spent like this! We are going to help rebuild an area that we should be leveling with bombers. They say Hamas will not control the money, but bull crap Hamas will benefit from the money and plot our demise on the paper we paid for.

I am so sick of idiot politicians!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29352401


All Gazans are not bad......most of them are trapped like fish in a barrel....but.... I think Israel should bear 99.9% of the repair of the area as they are the ones who destroyed it.



I have no problem with sending some aid in the form of food, supplies, medicines as that can do some good quickly and get into the hands of the actual people in need .


Just sending a big fat ck.....NO! It will be stolen and ' divvied' up between the radical parts.


Again, Israel should receive less of aid from us--as they get too much already--......and then send that $$$$ to Gaza....thus in a round about way Israel pays for the rebuild.

I would not trust Israel to send money since they won't even send food and fuel when needed.

Your reply is reasonable!

But in view of today's economy I believe all aid should be cut off rather it is to Israel or Gaza. Borrowing from China to rebuild Gaza is not very responsible thing for Obama to do!

Under normal times, I have no problem with helping struggling people out but do like your idea of sending food instead of money. No money sent through the U.N. will get to what it is meant for in entirety if at all.
 

jigs

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cut 100% of the foriegn aid.. until we are fixed, screw the world.

and don't give me any of the "starving children" crap. we got those right here but we send money every where else.

we NEED to put AMERICA first!
 

Broke Cowboy

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kolanuraven said:
aplusmnt said:
Does Obama not realize when you are broke you are broke! $900 million to people that hate us! I am tired of paying taxes to see it spent like this! We are going to help rebuild an area that we should be leveling with bombers. They say Hamas will not control the money, but bull crap Hamas will benefit from the money and plot our demise on the paper we paid for.

I am so sick of idiot politicians!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29352401


All Gazans are not bad......most of them are trapped like fish in a barrel....but.... I think Israel should bear 99.9% of the repair of the area as they are the ones who destroyed it.



I have no problem with sending some aid in the form of food, supplies, medicines as that can do some good quickly and get into the hands of the actual people in need .


Just sending a big fat ck.....NO! It will be stolen and ' divvied' up between the radical parts.


Again, Israel should receive less of aid from us--as they get too much already--......and then send that $$$$ to Gaza....thus in a round about way Israel pays for the rebuild.

I would not trust Israel to send money since they won't even send food and fuel when needed.

I love to read this stuff. This is a long one folks.

The US sends money through the UN - not as good as it sounds.

Kola - while certainly entitled to your opinion - I believe you do not have the true picture of what happens over here - and the media battle has been won by Hamas.

I think you Americans should have kept the money though. Check out the UN leadership positions and who holds them some time. Ban Ki Moon is not the only boss.

I believe you should not spend one dime on Gaza - however the Arab nations will love you for doing what they have refused to do for many years.

Most money will eventually be funneled into tunnels and weapons - whether by cash or by barter.

It is not always money that exchanges hands. Concrete and wire are very valuable items. Food is often used for barter - in fact it is one of the best - especially the dried foods like milk powder and flour. They keep well in this climate and they transport easily. When folks are hungry they will give a lot to get a bit of food.

There has been a tonne of money sent into Gaza - and Hamas, who won the election through some serious intimidation and reportedly a few killings - spent it all on weaponry rather than infrastructure - keeping it's own people destitute. Purposely.

This despite the Israelis removing all Jews from Gaza and allowing the Gazans to decide their own fate. In fact Israel does not want to be involved in Gaza - they just want Gaza to leave Israel alone.

If this had happened, over time normal trade relations would have developed.

However the elected party - Hamas - is quite public that the only thing they want is the destruction of the only democracy in the middle east - Israel.

They will spend every resource, including their own people to accomplish this task.

Israel is a democracy that allows Arabs to become voting citizens. That would never happen in any other middle east country. In fact, I believe the Israelis Arab parties won 6 seats in the very recent election.

Now - The deal to open the crossings is quite simple.

Stop firing rockets at Israel and the crossings will open. Some close friends wearing the target friendly "blue bonnet" dodged even more of them this week. Stop firing and the aid comes in the front door.

Rockets are now also being fired out of Lebanon in support of this continual firing from Gaza.

Hamas does not seem to believe peace to be worthwhile - so it keeps firing rockets as it has for 8 years.

Now before someone brings up the damages and the inequity of it.

If someone lived next door to you for 8 years and every day shot a gun at you as a non-combattant - or a rocket at civilians - which by definition are also crimes against humanity - which the Israelis are accused of on a daily basis - what would your response be?

Remember that you called the police every day and complained - as the Israelis called upon the international community - every day - yet nothing was done. I suspect you would have responded quite harshly.

This one piece of information is VERY important:

There also happens to be a mutual border with Egypt - The Rafah Crossing - who does have a crossing open at this time but is only allowing LIMITED aid into Gaza. Egypt will not allow Gazans to exit into Egypt to live. Some work permit holders can travel.

There is a reason for this.

Egypt does not want them. Never forget - aid could enter from one Arab country to another - but it does not.

Arab "brothers" do not support Gazans and Hamas. They seem prepared to see Gazans live out doors and go begging for food - just as Hamas is.

Egyption President Mubarik has publicly stated - Until the Palestinian Authority is in power in Gaza the Rafah Crossing is to remain closed.

I think that could be considered some serious political interference into Gaza by another ARAB nation.

Seldom if ever reported by the media

Anything to see Israel destroyed - and part of that destruction is the negative reporting brought about by the lack of aid getting into Gaza.

Remember - if the middle east Arab community was truly committed to peace and rebuilding Gaza - they could easily do the entire project with their oil money - straight through the crossing that is located in Egypt. If they truly wanted to - they could feed and rebuild all of Gaza from the Rafah Crossing crossing.

This of course is seldom if ever reported on the news channels.

Hamas appears unwilling at face value to do anything except place all of its respources into the destruction of Israel - and is willing to risk their own people to do so.

For peace to happen in Gaza two issues must be solved.

1. Palestinians and Hamas must make peace. At present they hate each other and war between themselves.

2. Hamas must stop firing rockets at Israeli civilians. That will not happen until Hamas leadership is removed - either by the people of Gaza - or by the PLO.

It is not as clear and one sided as the media makes it I can assure you.

Look at Israel like a honey bee hive. If you leave it alone it is productive and works on harmony with it's surroundings.

As does Israel with Jordan.

Kick it once too often and the entire hive comes out and attacks.

Never forget - Arabs in the middle east could do through Egypt what the US is about to do - send in a tonne of money. Huge mistake for the U.S. to do this in my personal opinion. Best to give it to the one country that watches your back in the middle east.

Apologies for the length but it is not as simple as most in the U.S. of A. think it is.

I am off to Syria and Damascus tomorrow for some quiet time in the big city at the Russian Roulette Traffic Circle.

Regards

BC
 

Broke Cowboy

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jigs said:
cut 100% of the foriegn aid.. until we are fixed, screw the world.

and don't give me any of the "starving children" crap. we got those right here but we send money every where else.

we NEED to put AMERICA first!

I support this - however it might make the world a bit more war like - I also happen to think Canada should do the same.

BC
 

kolanuraven

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Egypt doesn't want them as they have enough trouble with the Muslim Brotherhood as it is.



But, the kicker is that Hamas was elected by the people.....and we, the US....kept saying that there needed to be an election...they held one ....Hamas won.
 

badaxemoo

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jigs said:
and don't give me any of the "starving children" crap. we got those right here but we send money every where else.

Starving children?

Where?

We have malnutrition issues. We have families that skip meals.

But starving children?

Really?
 

Mike

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badaxemoo said:
jigs said:
and don't give me any of the "starving children" crap. we got those right here but we send money every where else.

Starving children?

Where?

We have malnutrition issues. We have families that skip meals.

But starving children?

Really?

Several of us guys in the immediate area gather up once a month to decide on how we spend our self donated funds to help neglected children in the neighborhood.

A majority of the small children here that are without basic food needs are from "Crack" & "Meth" homes.

We will not give cash money to the parents, but have on many, many occasions taken food to homes where children haven't eaten for days.

We grabbed up two small black kids one night when making a delivery and rushed them to the hospital because they were so weak from not eating.

I will say there are some starving kids here, but it's the parents fault.

Hurts me to think about it. :mad:
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Mike said:
badaxemoo said:
jigs said:
and don't give me any of the "starving children" crap. we got those right here but we send money every where else.

Starving children?

Where?

We have malnutrition issues. We have families that skip meals.

But starving children?

Really?

Several of us guys in the immediate area gather up once a month to decide on how we spend our self donated funds to help neglected children in the neighborhood.

A majority of the small children here that are without basic food needs are from "Crack" & "Meth" homes.

We will not give cash money to the parents, but have on many, many occasions taken food to homes where children haven't eaten for days.

We grabbed up two small black kids one night when making a delivery and rushed them to the hospital because they were so weak from not eating.

I will say there are some starving kids here, but it's the parents fault.

Hurts me to think about it. :mad:


We have the same issues here due to the parents drug use...


Are there kids in these hills that are hungry?.....YEAH....more than you'd know at first glance.

These mtn people are a prideful lot and to go and ' ask' for assistance or help, for some it's not gonna happen.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Mike said:
badaxemoo said:
jigs said:
and don't give me any of the "starving children" crap. we got those right here but we send money every where else.

Starving children?

Where?

We have malnutrition issues. We have families that skip meals.

But starving children?

Really?

Several of us guys in the immediate area gather up once a month to decide on how we spend our self donated funds to help neglected children in the neighborhood.

A majority of the small children here that are without basic food needs are from "Crack" & "Meth" homes.

We will not give cash money to the parents, but have on many, many occasions taken food to homes where children haven't eaten for days.

We grabbed up two small black kids one night when making a delivery and rushed them to the hospital because they were so weak from not eating.

I will say there are some starving kids here, but it's the parents fault.

Hurts me to think about it. :mad:

Gee Mike if you keep making posts like that you will destroy the resident liberals perception of you as a greedy capitalistic racist. :wink: :)
 

Broke Cowboy

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Gee Mike if you keep making posts like that you will destroy the resident liberals perception of you as a greedy capitalistic racist. :wink: :)

Mike just has strong opinions and an independent personality.

Now BMR - how can we return Mike to what everyone thinks he is?

8)

BC
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Broke Cowboy said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Gee Mike if you keep making posts like that you will destroy the resident liberals perception of you as a greedy capitalistic racist. :wink: :)

Mike just has strong opinions and an independent personality.

Now BMR - how can we return Mike to what everyone thinks he is?

8)

BC

I suppose we should as these liberals have little to cling to since most don't have guns or religion. :wink: :) Well except OT, says he's got a big pistol. :roll:
 

hypocritexposer

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Last I read, Hamas was stealing food and blankets that were for the starving people, that they were using as human shields.

No doubt, more money will be given to Gaza, why not add some strings. For every AK47 you turn in, you get a loaf of bread. For every Hamas member you turn in, you get 10.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Big Muddy rancher said:
Mike said:
badaxemoo said:
Starving children?

Where?

We have malnutrition issues. We have families that skip meals.

But starving children?

Really?

Several of us guys in the immediate area gather up once a month to decide on how we spend our self donated funds to help neglected children in the neighborhood.

A majority of the small children here that are without basic food needs are from "Crack" & "Meth" homes.

We will not give cash money to the parents, but have on many, many occasions taken food to homes where children haven't eaten for days.

We grabbed up two small black kids one night when making a delivery and rushed them to the hospital because they were so weak from not eating.

I will say there are some starving kids here, but it's the parents fault.

Hurts me to think about it. :mad:

Gee Mike if you keep making posts like that you will destroy the resident liberals perception of you as a greedy capitalistic racist. :wink: :)

The few "Liberals" we had to attend our meetings always want to hand off these problems to the local DHR and not get involved. :???:

While the white churches here are giving out food and clothing to people of all color, the black churches are taking up donations to give to the Democrats....... :roll:

"Liberals Perception"? Can they actually perceive? :roll:
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Can You Explain $900M To Rebuild Hamas' Home Turf While Pakistan Ops Are Short Funding?
By Steve Schippert | February 23, 2009

What on Earth is the administration doing announcing plans to give $900 Million in aid to rebuild Hamas' Gaza Strip while our own Defense Department's Security Development Plan for the Federally Administered Tribal Areas of Pakistan "faces a shortfall of approximately $167.5 million, about 73 percent of its funding goal for fiscal year 2009," according to a GAO report?

Did we not just witness the American president heading up a "Fiscal Responsibility Summit"? With fiscal responsibility in such high demand, one must forget entirely the nearly $1 trillion in irresponsibly distributed 'stimulus' already signed into commitment and the half-trillion dollar supplemental spending bill being presented this week. In a less than three week span, the two spending packages together would instantly represent a more than 10% increase in the national debt accrued over this nation's entire history. Yet when it comes to Defense and National Security, seemingly the only budgets eyed for any significant spending cuts, critical operations and initiatives expect to be short changed and starved of funds.

The Department of Defense's Security Development Plan for the Federally Administered Tribal Areas of Pakistan, like the administration's $900 million Gaza aid plan, is directed at the heart of a terrorist haven. But the DoD initiative is directed at curtailing and/or cutting off terrorists from narcotics funding and undermining their stranglehold on and, to the degree that it exists, popular support of the local populations there. An alternative.

The Administration's Gaza reconstruction gift contains none of these counterterrorism dynamics. Not a one. There is but one ultimate distributor in Gaza: Hamas. The Obama administration can claim that "the aid would not go to Hamas but that it would be funneled through nongovernmental organizations," but the fact of the matter remains that the Hamas terrorist organization that dominates Gaza stands to gain from every penny. It most certainly will not be hindered. That equation is nowhere in the calculus.

Dumping $900 million dollars into foolish Gaza reconstruction affords the distributors of all goods and services in Gaza both tangible assets (through the redirection of their funds elsewhere, such as arms, rockets and munitions) as well as the re-consolidation of political power and image rehabilitation. Many Gazans actually blamed Hamas - not Israel - for the wrath incurred in January. This action undermines that intangible shift and affords Hamas recovery from a humiliating wrath of domestic criticism.

This is not a cry from this writer to end all foreign aid. Far from it. But it is a vociferous cry to reconsider the foolishness of assisting Hamas to any degree - let alone to the tune of nearly a billion dollars - in reconstructing Gaza after Hamas' incessant rocket attacks on Israeli cities and towns finally drew the wrath of the Israeli Defense Forces. Would we rebuild Japan with Tojo still in place, or Germany under a surviving Hitler? And would we send them nearly $1 billion while our own economy is incessantly being described as "the worst crisis since the Great Depression"?

And most importantly, would we do this while our own operations are short funding, where our own troops are at ever-increasing risk?

The answer is clearly, no we would not. At least not then. But today, under an Obama administration, the answer is apparently "Yes we can."

Our own generals requested 30,000 troops in order to roll out a new strategy and fight terrorists in Afghanistan and they got but 17,000 committed. Our efforts to combat al-Qaeda's narcotics money tree and undermine their popular support in Pakistan are expected to be short-funded $167.5 million with no redress in sight, yet the commitment is already made to spend $900 of your tax dollars rebuilding Hamas' home turf.

Make sense of that.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Egypt doesn't want them as they have enough trouble with the Muslim Brotherhood as it is.



But, the kicker is that Hamas was elected by the people.....and we, the US....kept saying that there needed to be an election...they held one ....Hamas won.

That is why they should get zero help from us! They chose to support the terrorist so they chose to starve or whatever else happens to them!

When Germany chose Hitler they chose Germany's fate!
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
$1 Billion For Gaza


In addition to the $750 million in US foreign aid the Palestinians received the last 6 years, Obama plans to send an additional $900 million to Gaza for construction, U.S. officials said on Monday.

$900 million divided by a population of 1.5 million is $600 to every man, woman and child in Gaza. That's more than the average American will get under Obama's reparations and redistribution swindle, and none of these Gazans pay U.S. taxes -- and they still hate us.

One deluded official, who asked not to be named, said, "This money is for Gaza and to help strengthen the Palestinian Authority. It is not going to go to Hamas."

How this is possible? This CNN report from the region clearly says that Hamas controls Gaza. How do the geniuses in the White House plan on keeping the money from Hamas when they control the place?

Addendum: A reader reminds us not to forget about that $20.3 million Obama released in the January 27, 2009 Memorandum, for the purpose of bringing Gazan "refugees" (AKA Hamas suicide bombers) to the United States -- travel, expenses and housing -- and Obama contends it's in "the national interest."
 

Tam

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From what I heard Bush was only going to send $85 million but Obama pushed the $85 to $900 million. Bush was damned for money he spent in the region but will Obama be? :?
 
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