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A Bishops Affadavit On Obama

Sandhusker

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Not only is there an eyewitness to Obama's Kenyan birth, but we also see that he has been assisting radical Muslims. And you libs think it's terrible that I call him a snake.....
 

Tam

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Pretty scary read :shock: Wonder what is going to happen to Grandma if her testimony is the nail in his Presidental coffin. :???:
 

fff

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Bishop Ron McRae. Now there's a reliable source. What church supports him? He sounds like that Baptist minister who goes around protesting homosexuals at the funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq. :roll:

A fertile crescent of intolerance
Saturday, September 10, 2005
By Dennis Roddy, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

As adherents to every creed from anarchism to Zoroastrianism rush to lay claim to available symbols, I ended my conversation with Bishop Ron McRae wondering whether I am going to hell because I have gay friends, am a Roman Catholic or because of all those crescent rolls in my fridge. McRae is a self-proclaimed Anabaptist bishop and, as such, has felt it his calling to disrupt the lives of gays, Catholics, Mormons, Muslims, Jehovah's Witnesses and whatever other among the citizenry he considers the future entree at the Almighty's celestial barbecue come Judgment Day. He has been found with a sign and Bible and loud denunciations at such venues as the convention of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the annual Rosary Rally in Johnstown. A former police officer from Houston, Texas, his earlier career gave him a keen eye for the line between protected dissent and prosecutable harassment. Thus, in his subsequent life as an evangelistic nuisance, he has always been able to win civil liberties cases against the police when they get fed up enough to cart him off to the hoosegow.

"The Supreme Court has ruled you can reasonably limit free speech in time, place and manner. But they have not placed those restrictions on the free exercise of religion," McRae explained. "We don't protest. We are not protesters. What I do falls under the free exercise of religion."

Oh, good.

This week, examining the winning design for the Flight 93 National Memorial, honoring the passengers and crew who rose up against a quartet of hijackers who were, I suppose, exercising their religious prerogatives, McRae suddenly spotted traces of paganism. The architects had made the mistake of calling an arc of maple trees to be planted along a depression overlooking the crash site "a crescent."

McRae promptly denounced the design as a symbol of Islam. Granted, the memorial includes a tower with wind chimes and a wall that zags along the flight path, and there is, of course, the Sacred Ground, the spot where the plane nosed into the earth. But that arc of trees, which will turn red in the autumn, was called a crescent, and to McRae, a crescent is the symbol of Islam.

"Everything they've done has symbolism to it, and it has a meaning to it," McRae said. "I'm sorry, I do not believe it was an accident. They chose a red maple. C'mon, man." The Red Crescent is, of course, the Islamic world's version of the Red Cross which, when last I checked, is not a recognized church.

The committee that judged and selected the design, by Los Angeles architect Paul Murdoch, expressed some misgivings about the term "crescent" as well. It means one thing to an architect, but they suggested a more carefully chosen term, "arc." And so that feature is now called an arc.

McRae, who is accustomed to standing rather alone, insists he has supporters.

"All the Muslim churches in this town, they also take affront to that crescent being used," he said.

I phoned one of the Muslim churches, which, for future reference, are generally called mosques or masjids or, in the case of the congregation led by Imam Fouad El Bayly of Somerset, The Islamic Center of Johnstown.

What, I asked El Bayly, does McRae's concern about the crescent mean?

"It tells me he doesn't know very much about Islam," Bayly said. The crescent is often used to denote a new moon, which is how Muslims mark the beginning of a new month. But it no more encapsulates their religion than an intersection of two highways -- a crossroads -- signifies Christianity.

"He is a man of peace? He doesn't really have to make a big issue out of something when we are trying to heal the big wound of Sept. 11," El Bayly said. I wished him a good Jummah, which is a Muslim day of prayer. Doubtless El Bayly will pray for McRae, raising the question: Who's the better Christian here?

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05253/568892-156.stm

Here at FactNet they know the "truth" about the "Bishop." :lol: :lol:
http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/14659.html
 

Sandhusker

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And fff does the typical Liberal maneuver, exercise all energies on discrediting the source instead of addressing the message. She doesn't want to talk about the article, so she instead tries to change the direction of the thread to make it about something else. It's the same pathetic thing the libs did with Joe.

Do you want to deny that Obama gave Odinga any aid, fff? Maybe you want to explain how Odinga isn't a Socialist?
 

backhoeboogie

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Sandhusker said:
And fff does the typical Liberal maneuver, exercise all energies on discrediting the source instead of addressing the message.

She hasn't even caught on to the Obama maneuver during the debates.

"We're looking in to that...."

"We're going to have to take a serious look at that..."

Obama still hasn't said who is "We"

He never stated the position on the issues he was going to look at. He instead talked for a half hour and never said anything. Frankie has that part down perfect.
 

fff

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Sandhusker said:
And fff does the typical Liberal maneuver, exercise all energies on discrediting the source instead of addressing the message. She doesn't want to talk about the article, so she instead tries to change the direction of the thread to make it about something else. It's the same pathetic thing the libs did with Joe.

Do you want to deny that Obama gave Odinga any aid, fff? Maybe you want to explain how Odinga isn't a Socialist?

Sources are important. That's why I use reliable, well known sources. And get a good laugh at some of the ones others use. :lol:

There's nothing to talk about. :roll: Read it. It doesn't offer a single bit of proof. It would never have been posted if not for the word "Bishop" in the title. Mike hopes it will give credibility to the ridiculous statement. But it doesn't. This "Bishop" is a joke. He goes around protesting anything that might smell of religious tolerance.

I don't have a clue whether Obama gave Odinga aid. Show me something from a reliable source that says one way or another. This is is not a reliable source. It's crap, just like the "Obama is the Anti-Christ" and the "Obama is a Muslim" and the "Obama is a Terrorist" crap that has been posted here.
 

TexasBred

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HYMAN: Obama's Kenya ghosts
Mark Hyman
Sunday, October 12, 2008
ASSOCIATED PRESS Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga is calling President Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe an "embarrassment" to Africa and would support the forced removal of the ruler.

COMMENTARY:

About 50 parishioners were locked into the Assemblies of God church before it was set ablaze. They were mostly women and children. Those who tried to flee were hacked to death by machete-wielding members of a mob numbering 2,000.

The 2008 New Year Day atrocity in the Kenyan village Eldoret, about 185 miles northwest of Nairobi, had all the markings of the Rwanda genocide of a decade earlier.

By mid-February 2008, more than 1,500 Kenyans were killed. Many were slain by machete-armed attackers. More than 500,000 were displaced by the religious strife. Villages lay in ruin. Many of the atrocities were perpetrated by Muslims against Christians.

The violence was led by supporters of Raila Odinga, the opposition leader who lost the Dec. 27, 2007, presidential election by more than 230,000 votes. Odinga supporters began the genocide hours after the final election results were announced Dec. 30. Mr. Odinga was a member of Parliament representing an area in western Kenya, heavily populated by the Luo tribe, and the birthplace of Barack Obama's father.

Mr. Odinga had the backing of Kenya's Muslim community heading into the election. For months he denied any ties to Muslim leaders, but fell silent when Sheik Abdullahi Abdi, chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum, appeared on Kenya television displaying a memorandum of understanding signed on Aug. 29, 2007, by Mr. Odinga and the Muslim leader. Mr. Odinga then denied his denials.

The details of the MOU were shocking. In return for Muslim backing, Mr. Odinga promised to impose a number of measures favored by Muslims if he were elected president. Among these were recognition of "Islam as the only true religion," Islamic leaders would have an "oversight role to monitor activities of ALL other religions [emphasis in original]," installation of Shariah courts in every jurisdiction, a ban on Christian preaching, replacement of the police commissioner who "allowed himself to be used by heathens and Zionists," adoption of a women's dress code, and bans on alcohol and pork.

This was not Mr. Odinga's first brush with notoriety. Like his father, Jaramogi Oginga Odinga, the main opposition leader in the 1960s and 1970s, Raila Odinga is a Marxist He graduated from East Germany's Magdeburg University in 1970 on a scholarship provided by the East German government. He named his oldest son after Fidel Castro.

Raila Odinga was implicated in the bloody coup attempt in 1982 against then-President Daniel Arap Moi, a close ally of the United States. Kenya has been one of the most stable democracies in Africa since the 1960s. The ethnic cleansing earlier this year was the worst violence in Kenya since that 1982 coup attempt.

Mr. Odinga spent eight years in prison. At the time, he denied guilt but later detailed he was a coup leader in his 2006 biography. Statue of limitations precluded further prosecution when the biography appeared.

Initially, Mr. Odinga was not the favored opposition candidate to stand in the 2007 election against President Mwai Kibaki, who was seeking his second term. However, he received a tremendous boost when Sen. Barack Obama arrived in Kenya in August 2006 to campaign on his behalf. Mr. Obama denies that supporting Mr. Odinga was the intention of his trip, but his actions and local media reports tell otherwise.

Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama were nearly inseparable throughout Mr. Obama's six-day stay. The two traveled together throughout Kenya and Mr. Obama spoke on behalf of Mr. Odinga at numerous rallies. In contrast, Mr. Obama had only criticism for Kibaki. He lashed out against the Kenyan government shortly after meeting with the president on Aug. 25. "The [Kenyan] people have to suffer over corruption perpetrated by government officials," Mr. Obama announced.

"Kenyans are now yearning for change," he declared. The intent of Mr. Obama's remarks and actions was transparent to Kenyans - he was firmly behind Mr. Odinga.

Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama had met several times before the 2006 trip. Reports indicate Mr. Odinga visited Mr. Obama during trips to the U.S. in 2004, 2005 and 2006. Mr. Obama sent his foreign policy adviser Mark Lippert to Kenya in early 2006 to coordinate his summer visit. Mr. Obama's August trip coincided with strategizing by Orange Democratic Movement leaders to defeat Mr. Kibaki in the upcoming elections. Mr. Odinga represented the ODM ticket in the presidential race.

Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama's father were both from the Luo community, the second-largest tribe in Kenya, but their ties run much deeper. Mr. Odinga told a stunned BBC Radio interviewer the reason why he and Mr. Obama were staying in near daily telephone contact was because they were cousins. In a Jan. 8, 2008, interview, Mr. Odinga said Mr. Obama had called him twice the day before while campaigning in the New Hampshire primary before adding, "Barack Obama's father is my maternal uncle."
President Kibaki requested a meeting of all opposition leaders in early January in an effort to quell the violence. All agreed to attend except Mr. Odinga. A month later, Mr. Kibaki offered Mr. Odinga the role of prime minister, the de facto No. 2 in the Kenyan government, in return for an end to the attacks. Mr. Odinga was sworn in on April 17, 2008.

Mr. Obama's judgment is seriously called into question when he backs an official with troubling ties to Muslim extremists and whose supporters practice ethnic cleansing and genocide. It was Islamic extremists in Kenya who bombed the U.S. Embassy in 1998, killing more than 200 and injuring thousands. None of this has dissuaded Mr. Obama from maintaining disturbing loyalties.

Mark Hyman is an award-winning news commentator for Sinclair Broadcast Group Inc.

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