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A few random thoughts on the topics at hand

Soapweed said:
Look at all the precautions that the big bad evil corporations go to so that consumers buy a safe product. There are enough seals and wrapping paper on every item in a super market, that it about takes an act of Congress to get anything out of a bottle or package. This is something that has to be done because of the irresponsibility of a few. I applaud the efforts that is done to ensure this safety.
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No one wants to comment on whats broke. Rather they wish to make truth seem like evil attacks on corporations. If one goes through this thread the majority of the posts are just like above.

Posters acting like truth is an attack. What in the world is wrong here are people afraid the price of cattle will fall because they concede to the truth of facts.


Denial never fixed nor never will fix anything. If one is not part of the solution they are part of the problem.

Maybe we need to do like the Chinese Christians say conduct these discussions or industry worship and allegiance in private. . I propose we all pm each other and discuss the problems with the cattle and hog industries.. That way no market share or consumer will be lost. At least when the Chinese meet in private there is a worth while fear evolved!
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Pig Farmer said:
Soapweed said:
Look at all the precautions that the big bad evil corporations go to so that consumers buy a safe product. There are enough seals and wrapping paper on every item in a super market, that it about takes an act of Congress to get anything out of a bottle or package. This is something that has to be done because of the irresponsibility of a few. I applaud the efforts that is done to ensure this safety.
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No one wants to comment on whats broke. Rather they wish to make truth seem like evil attacks on corporations. If one goes through this thread the majority of the posts are just like above.

Posters acting like truth is an attack. What in the world is wrong here are people afraid the price of cattle will fall because they concede to the truth of facts.


Denial never fixed nor never will fix anything. If one is not part of the solution they are part of the problem.

Maybe we need to do like the Chinese Christians say conduct these discussions or industry worship and allegiance in private. . I propose we all pm each other and discuss the problems with the cattle and hog industries.. That way no market share or consumer will be lost. At least when the Chinese meet in private there is a worth while fear evolved!
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I don't know what it is like in the rest of the country, but around here there darned sure aren't any cows eating chicken manure. The local smaller packing plants used to do deer in season, but they haven't processed wild game for probably at least ten years. All cattle vaccinations have been given in the neck for many years, because this is what is best for everyone concerned. It looks to me like the cattle industry is doing its very best to be accountable. It just kind of rankles that doing our best just isn't good enough for some of the pissers and moaners of society. A little appreciation would be appreciated. :? :roll:
 
I've been gone a couple of days and look what kind of fun chat I've been missing!

I think that there are several good points in this 7 page thread but I sure won't attempt to address them all. All I really care about is the BIG PICTURE for beef producers. I don't give a hoot nor holler if you want to produce grain fed, grass fed, purple or green beef. It just doesn't matter. Folks, it's the all-encompassing picture of beef that really matters. Don't think for a minute that TIME and the NY TIMES really care what kind of production system you or I are promoting. The liberal front has a vengeance that can't be diverted. The organic, grass-fed, natural, conventional beef production argument just has to be left dead in it's tracks. If you hate implants, antibiotics and feedlots then you should not participate in that model. But market your own production model as a niche; just don't run down beef! By golly, we've got the best protein on the market that is absolutely worth the money! We have some image issues that just have to be corrected in our respective countries and globally. We have very real problems with controlling E.Coli O157-H7 and not-so real problems with BSE in the global trade of North American beef. Global trade has more to do with the price of beef than many people want to recognize. I sat in on a session yesterday with a very intelligent and informed Chicago market trader that convinced me of this. We've got to be able to export our products in order to return the price of cattle and beef to the position of profitability. Folks that want to run down the packers are just on a witch hunt, in my opinion. The packer does not want ranchers and feeders to fail. They do want to be able to run full harvest shifts everyday including Saturday. Does anyone here think that the packers enjoy running reduced kill shifts because prices are too low and cattle are too high? C'mon now, let's be reasonable. Packers don't care what cattle are worth, they just want to make their margins and go home, just like feedlots and just like stocker-operators. I'm of the thinking that the larger margin-operators (whether it be packers or big farmers or whomever) just want to make their margins. If they can do that, they'll be plenty rich on a small amount per head. We simply have image issues domestically and beyond. The global market is just a huge issue. Think of the drop-value on every animal. The auto industry's failure has been a major impact on the value of cattle. When leather seats aren't selling then the value per head on hides goes in the tank. That's a global issue, it really is. Why are we even having this conversation about grass fed and conventional production. We've got to prop up BEEF and get it sold. Most of us can't create the awareness on our own to do much of any good. So if you can sell your own cattle in your own way, then get after it and market those rascals. Just don't run down the next guy that does it a little differently.

I know that this is a rant and I just couldn't sit here idle. I want to be on the same team as each of you that wants to make a dollar running a beef cow. If you've got customers that prefer to know the "farmer" that raised the beef they are eating, then please do sell it to them and make sure they tell a friend. But by golly, if anybody thinks we don't need the great-big conventional production model that gets 650,000 head of cattle harvested every week in the U.S., then I guess you've got some studying to do.

Here's to BEEF!!

HP
 
Well living on the left coast. I have to reply to Soap's observations.
Organic, Natural, Grassfed, Free Range, etc etc. to me fall into the same catagory as CAB, CAH, etc. They are marketing ideas or gimmicks to get more dollars from the consumer. All have merit and all are just the latest and greatest of our time. The consumer today has been bombarded to get back to nature and be "green". So we are seeing anything painted in that light, sell. Who knows what comes next?? Those of us who have the ability and willingness to adapt, and change will survive.

Now my opinion on obesity in America is this. Cheap food, cheap food. Cheap food is easy to get and therefore even easier to over indulge on. Convenient stores dot the land. All, sell made to go food loaded with calories and nothing else. Soda pop which used to be a treat is consumed like water used to be. Ice cream which used be only for birthdays and Sunday Socials is now everyday fare. The foods that kept our grand parents lean and healthy were not cooked in a microwave. The fast paced world we live in today, demands food even faster. Heck look at pickup trucks, it wasn't that many years ago, the cup holder was non-
existance

Whether or not you were born into this industry or adopted it. There will always be willing players to roll the dice in this game. We all play proud to fact that we all help feed the world. Just when the markets are down the fun factor is close to zero. I seriously doubt anyone leaves the game without regret or sorrow.
 
Wow. I never imagined these threads would go the places they have. I don't recall the board being this hot since that Louis Lamour wannabe baffled us all with BS and JingleBob left.

Anyway, all I wanna get across, very clearly, is that I appreciate you Soapweed, and every other farmer and rancher. Please understand that this farmboy bears no ill will towards your way of doing things, nor do I bear any ill will towards the cattle industry. My previous posts are all about what the processing and retail industry has done to OUR CATTLE INDUSTRY.

I have my way of doing things, and others have theirs. I hope we can all find a way to stand together like Leanin' H recommended, although I can't visualize what/how that will transpire. As for now, I see no point in me babbling on these threads anymore. There's no sense in us arguing about increasing beef sales and grabbing market share from chicken and so on. In the not so distant future there will be far bigger worries on our minds that make these discussions seem petty and foolish.

Have a good night all.

PC
 
Careful what you say there PC, or you will be labeled as just another depressed doomsayer or pisser and moaner!!! :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

There have been a lot of good points made throughout this thread and it has been of great interest to many judging by the over 5000 hits since it started just a few days ago.

High Plains, what would you expect a Chicago trader to tell you? I think that when someone is selling fish, he does not help himself by hollering out to potential customer "SELLING STINKY FISH"!!!!! Your trader fellow is probably a good man and certainly a good salesman.

Soapweed, I agree that much of the industry has been doing all it can to improve both their practices and their perception in the public's scrutiny. But there are segments of the industry that, try as they may - well you just can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

Look at the prices over the past five years. In Canada, ours have been eroding for over 6 years now. There does not seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully, that is an indicator that we are at the bottom and things will now once again turn in our favor.

Here is the bottom line, in my opinion - for the small and average size operator, there is no money in this business anymore. The ROI has shrunk to less than ZERO. Why is that? Who is holding down the prices is this business?
 
Thanks for the personal message, Pig Farmer. It is Shortgrass who does the Good Sunday Mornin' every Sunday morning, not me. I have filled in for him a total of four times when occasionally he cannot be available. I do try to post most Sunday mornings to give him an "atta boy," because if no one encouraged him, he would think it not worth his efforts. Since I truly appreciate that he does this each week, I like to thank him.

Keep in mind that even Christians are sinners, whether we try to be or not. No one is perfect except Jesus Christ himself. I suppose a good Christian would just "turn the other cheek" when they get bombarded with lies, but it doesn't seem like we should have to do this all of the time.

BEEF, on the whole, is a very safe product. This is the only point that I am trying to drive home. The niche market "natural" stuff has not been proven to be one bit safer than commodity beef. "All natural" are mostly meaningless buzz words that are far too over-used. The green movement is mostly a ploy for Al Gore and his followers to get rich. They are just as self-serving, greedy, and evil in their own way as what you think of the big bad corporations.

You say this to me, "To me to cast trash on the earth or not to care for it is sin. The Scripture says that HEAVEN IS GOD'S THRONE AND THE EARTH IS HIS FOOT STOOL."

I try my best to care for our land. Sometimes my pickup gets pretty trashed out inside, because I don't ever throw trash out the window. My cows don't get anything for fly control, because God gave them perfectly good tails to use as fly swatters. The only spray we use is for occasional noxious weeds. The gophers have only the coyotes to worry about. I do try my best to care for the land upon which God has allowed me to be a steward.

Regards,

Soapweed
 
Soapweed said:
Thanks for the personal message, Pig Farmer. It is Shortgrass who does the Good Sunday Mornin' every Sunday morning, not me. I have filled in for him a total of four times when occasionally he cannot be available. I do try to post most Sunday mornings to give him an "atta boy," because if no one encouraged him, he would think it not worth his efforts. Since I truly appreciate that he does this each week, I like to thank him.

Keep in mind that even Christians are sinners, whether we try to be or not. No one is perfect except Jesus Christ himself. I suppose a good Christian would just "turn the other cheek" when they get bombarded with lies, but it doesn't seem like we should have to do this all of the time.

BEEF, on the whole, is a very safe product. This is the only point that I am trying to drive home. The niche market "natural" stuff has not been proven to be one bit safer than commodity beef. "All natural" are mostly meaningless buzz words that are far too over-used. The green movement is mostly a ploy for Al Gore and his followers to get rich. They are just as self-serving, greedy, and evil in their own way as what you think of the big bad corporations.

You say this to me, "To me to cast trash on the earth or not to care for it is sin. The Scripture says that HEAVEN IS GOD'S THRONE AND THE EARTH IS HIS FOOT STOOL."

I try my best to care for our land. Sometimes my pickup gets pretty trashed out inside, because I don't ever throw trash out the window. My cows don't get anything for fly control, because God gave them perfectly good tails to use as fly swatters. The only spray we use is for occasional noxious weeds. The gophers have only the coyotes to worry about. I do try my best to care for the land upon which God has allowed me to be a steward.

Regards,

Soapweed
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Soap you failed to address the problems with the beef industry. Not your ways.

80 percent of all beef is inundated with growth implants. These implants are said to cause early childhood puberty as young as 8 years old girls starting to have woman sized breasts and starting their periods. Let alone the facts that support these hormones in the food supply contribute to cancers in the populace.

Peter Jennings on ABC did a special about this 20 years ago. There was very strong evidence behind his special about the hormone implants and association to early childhood puberty.

Likewise the next to items and problems in the beef industry. Have strong evidence of causing problems to the general public. Preventative antibiotics on the farm and ranch as well at the feed lot. These preventative measures have been associated with things like staff becoming resistant to general antibiotics that years ago would have nipped them in the bud.

18 months ago I had a extensive neck operation. Six mos later I Was down with staff infections. I fought these infections for mos. If you have never had an infected hair follicle pop up one day and three days later be the size of a soft ball. You have never experienced pain or life threatening
problems that compare. Hospitals around the world are overcome with hospital borne staff. The general population is being attacked by general public staff. These 2 types are composed of different dna. Both of these are becoming more resistant every day that preventative antibiotics are in the food chain.

Even our cows are seeing a problem with staff across the nation. Household pets are coming down with major staff infections.

We give antibiotics only as a treatment, not as a prevention. And any animal that must be marketed is allowed full withdrawal periods plus extra time. We also inform our customer base of these procedures.

In 2005 and early 2006 it was determined that chicken feed had animal by products in it. These byproducts had ties to mad cow. This feed is scratched from the feeders onto the floors of the chicken houses. The chicken manure is used for 2 things animal feed at the farm level and fertilizer. The fertilizer is applied and directly grazed no prohibition of allowing it to be washed off the grass and absorbed in the ground.

All of these problems have been going on for way to long. Why is that? One the bottom line and the second is the price of beef chicken and pork would go up from some death losses.

There are less Cattle today in the U.S. than in the great depression. If you will do a search prices are being controlled because of a fear of a consumer backlash. Yet study after study shows that the average consumer is willing to pay more for source verified, quality and antibiotic and hormone free. These are three things they wish for and soon will be demanding.

Our country blocks the import of fish from China because they feed preventative antibiotics to their fish, all the while allowing these same practices to go unchecked in this country.

IN 2004 THE U.S.D.A. THREW THE CANADIAN beef industry under the bus.
they screamed about Canada allowing byproducts to still exist in their feed supply. Yet in 2006 it was found that many feed suppliers were still suppling feed in the U.S,. with animal byproducts that caused mad cow. this was swept under the rugby our industry as well as our government at the expense and reputation of our neighbors and fellow men and women to the north. :mad: :mad:


To many that have posted in this thread these truths are called rants and bad for the industry. No whats bad for the industry and our fellow man to sweep it under the rug out of fear of loss of market share all the while not giving a rats rear about the cost to their fellow man and their families health.

If this pzzes anyone off thats their problem all of the above being tolerated pizzes me off and I WILL NOT COVER UP NOR DENY THE FACTS TO APPEASE ANYONE.

I say the sooner the public is educated as to the goings on in the food industry the better off they will be. The average rancher and farmer are in shock over 13 deaths and 30 wounded at fort hood. Yet the actions posted above effect millions and when anyone like myself addresses it they are accused of ranting and told to hush.

Call it what you wish the facts are there. I wont cover crap for anyone no matter how much the the market share might suffer.


Lastly soap you said beef as a whole is safe. Nothing could be farther from the truth based on the facts above. Did the AMERICAN rancher/farmer not learn anything when the Canadian beef Industry was dealt a death blow by greedy lying packers, feedlots, producers and our government.

The producer deserves what is coming down the pike due to their lack of concern for the general public.
 
Pig Farmer said:
Soapweed said:
Thanks for the personal message, Pig Farmer. It is Shortgrass who does the Good Sunday Mornin' every Sunday morning, not me. I have filled in for him a total of four times when occasionally he cannot be available. I do try to post most Sunday mornings to give him an "atta boy," because if no one encouraged him, he would think it not worth his efforts. Since I truly appreciate that he does this each week, I like to thank him.

Keep in mind that even Christians are sinners, whether we try to be or not. No one is perfect except Jesus Christ himself. I suppose a good Christian would just "turn the other cheek" when they get bombarded with lies, but it doesn't seem like we should have to do this all of the time.

BEEF, on the whole, is a very safe product. This is the only point that I am trying to drive home. The niche market "natural" stuff has not been proven to be one bit safer than commodity beef. "All natural" are mostly meaningless buzz words that are far too over-used. The green movement is mostly a ploy for Al Gore and his followers to get rich. They are just as self-serving, greedy, and evil in their own way as what you think of the big bad corporations.

You say this to me, "To me to cast trash on the earth or not to care for it is sin. The Scripture says that HEAVEN IS GOD'S THRONE AND THE EARTH IS HIS FOOT STOOL."

I try my best to care for our land. Sometimes my pickup gets pretty trashed out inside, because I don't ever throw trash out the window. My cows don't get anything for fly control, because God gave them perfectly good tails to use as fly swatters. The only spray we use is for occasional noxious weeds. The gophers have only the coyotes to worry about. I do try my best to care for the land upon which God has allowed me to be a steward.

Regards,

Soapweed
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Soap you failed to address the problems with the beef industry. Not your ways.

80 percent of all beef is inundated with growth implants. These implants are said to cause early childhood puberty as young as 8 years old girls starting to have woman sized breasts and starting their periods. Let alone the facts that support these hormones in the food supply contribute to cancers in the populace.

Peter Jennings on ABC did a special about this 20 years ago. There was very strong evidence behind his special about the hormone implants and association to early childhood puberty.

Likewise the next to items and problems in the beef industry. Have strong evidence of causing problems to the general public. Preventative antibiotics on the farm and ranch as well at the feed lot. These preventative measures have been associated with things like staff becoming resistant to general antibiotics that years ago would have nipped them in the bud.

18 months ago I had a extensive neck operation. Six mos later I Was down with staff infections. I fought these infections for mos. If you have never had an infected hair follicle pop up one day and three days later be the size of a soft ball. You have never experienced pain or life threatening
problems that compare. Hospitals around the world are overcome with hospital borne staff. The general population is being attacked by general public staff. These 2 types are composed of different dna. Both of these are becoming more resistant every day that preventative antibiotics are in the food chain.

Even our cows are seeing a problem with staff across the nation. Household pets are coming down with major staff infections.

We give antibiotics only as a treatment, not as a prevention. And any animal that must be marketed is allowed full withdrawal periods plus extra time. We also inform our customer base of these procedures.

In 2005 and early 2006 it was determined that chicken feed had animal by products in it. These byproducts had ties to mad cow. This feed is scratched from the feeders onto the floors of the chicken houses. The chicken manure is used for 2 things animal feed at the farm level and fertilizer. The fertilizer is applied and directly grazed no prohibition of allowing it to be washed off the grass and absorbed in the ground.

All of these problems have been going on for way to long. Why is that? One the bottom line and the second is the price of beef chicken and pork would go up from some death losses.

There are less Cattle today in the U.S. than in the great depression. If you will do a search prices are being controlled because of a fear of a consumer backlash. Yet study after study shows that the average consumer is willing to pay more for source verified, quality and antibiotic and hormone free. These are three things they wish for and soon will be demanding.

Our country blocks the import of fish from China because they feed preventative antibiotics to their fish, all the while allowing these same practices to go unchecked in this country.

IN 2004 THE U.S.D.A. THREW THE CANADIAN beef industry under the bus.
they screamed about Canada allowing byproducts to still exist in their feed supply. Yet in 2006 it was found that many feed suppliers were still suppling feed in the U.S,. with animal byproducts that caused mad cow. this was swept under the rugby our industry as well as our government at the expense and reputation of our neighbors and fellow men and women to the north. :mad: :mad:


To many that have posted in this thread these truths are called rants and bad for the industry. No whats bad for the industry and our fellow man to sweep it under the rug out of fear of loss of market share all the while not giving a rats rear about the cost to their fellow man and their families health.

If this pzzes anyone off thats their problem all of the above being tolerated pizzes me off and I WILL NOT COVER UP NOR DENY THE FACTS TO APPEASE ANYONE.

I say the sooner the public is educated as to the goings on in the food industry the better off they will be. The average rancher and farmer are in shock over 13 deaths and 30 wounded at fort hood. Yet the actions posted above effect millions and when anyone like myself addresses it they are accused of ranting and told to hush.

Call it what you wish the facts are there. I wont cover crap for anyone no matter how much the the market share might suffer.


Lastly soap you said beef as a whole is safe. Nothing could be farther from the truth based on the facts above. Did the AMERICAN rancher/farmer not learn anything when the Canadian beef Industry was dealt a death blow by greedy lying packers, feedlots, producers and our government.

The producer deserves what is coming down the pike due to their lack of concern for the general public.
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Pig Farmer, please make your rants shorter. They are hard to address in this long filibuster fashion. Besides, no one reads the long-winded posts. I know I sure don't.

Pig Farmer said:
80 percent of all beef is inundated with growth implants. These implants are said to cause early childhood puberty as young as 8 years old girls starting to have woman sized breasts and starting their periods. Let alone the facts that support these hormones in the food supply contribute to cancers in the populace.

Peter Jennings on ABC did a special about this 20 years ago. There was very strong evidence behind his special about the hormone implants and association to early childhood puberty.
Click to expand...


Addressing just one of your topics--early puberty in young girls--I would have this to say. Probably the main reason they reach early puberty is because of all the racy television that is available for their viewing pleasure. Learning by example, they have soon passed to the "experimenting" stage. One thing leads to another, and possibly these young girls become pregnant. Then it becomes the fault of beef because there are growth hormones in the mix. The real reason that girls are reaching early puberty is because of better nutrition all the way around. This is a fact in the raising of livestock and people being the animals they are, the same thing holds true.
 
Soapweed said:
Pig Farmer said:
Soapweed said:
Thanks for the personal message, Pig Farmer. It is Shortgrass who does the Good Sunday Mornin' every Sunday morning, not me. I have filled in for him a total of four times when occasionally he cannot be available. I do try to post most Sunday mornings to give him an "atta boy," because if no one encouraged him, he would think it not worth his efforts. Since I truly appreciate that he does this each week, I like to thank him.

Keep in mind that even Christians are sinners, whether we try to be or not. No one is perfect except Jesus Christ himself. I suppose a good Christian would just "turn the other cheek" when they get bombarded with lies, but it doesn't seem like we should have to do this all of the time.

BEEF, on the whole, is a very safe product. This is the only point that I am trying to drive home. The niche market "natural" stuff has not been proven to be one bit safer than commodity beef. "All natural" are mostly meaningless buzz words that are far too over-used. The green movement is mostly a ploy for Al Gore and his followers to get rich. They are just as self-serving, greedy, and evil in their own way as what you think of the big bad corporations.

You say this to me, "To me to cast trash on the earth or not to care for it is sin. The Scripture says that HEAVEN IS GOD'S THRONE AND THE EARTH IS HIS FOOT STOOL."

I try my best to care for our land. Sometimes my pickup gets pretty trashed out inside, because I don't ever throw trash out the window. My cows don't get anything for fly control, because God gave them perfectly good tails to use as fly swatters. The only spray we use is for occasional noxious weeds. The gophers have only the coyotes to worry about. I do try my best to care for the land upon which God has allowed me to be a steward.

Regards,

Soapweed
Click to expand...

Soap you failed to address the problems with the beef industry. Not your ways.

80 percent of all beef is inundated with growth implants. These implants are said to cause early childhood puberty as young as 8 years old girls starting to have woman sized breasts and starting their periods. Let alone the facts that support these hormones in the food supply contribute to cancers in the populace.

Peter Jennings on ABC did a special about this 20 years ago. There was very strong evidence behind his special about the hormone implants and association to early childhood puberty.

Likewise the next to items and problems in the beef industry. Have strong evidence of causing problems to the general public. Preventative antibiotics on the farm and ranch as well at the feed lot. These preventative measures have been associated with things like staff becoming resistant to general antibiotics that years ago would have nipped them in the bud.

18 months ago I had a extensive neck operation. Six mos later I Was down with staff infections. I fought these infections for mos. If you have never had an infected hair follicle pop up one day and three days later be the size of a soft ball. You have never experienced pain or life threatening
problems that compare. Hospitals around the world are overcome with hospital borne staff. The general population is being attacked by general public staff. These 2 types are composed of different dna. Both of these are becoming more resistant every day that preventative antibiotics are in the food chain.

Even our cows are seeing a problem with staff across the nation. Household pets are coming down with major staff infections.

We give antibiotics only as a treatment, not as a prevention. And any animal that must be marketed is allowed full withdrawal periods plus extra time. We also inform our customer base of these procedures.

In 2005 and early 2006 it was determined that chicken feed had animal by products in it. These byproducts had ties to mad cow. This feed is scratched from the feeders onto the floors of the chicken houses. The chicken manure is used for 2 things animal feed at the farm level and fertilizer. The fertilizer is applied and directly grazed no prohibition of allowing it to be washed off the grass and absorbed in the ground.

All of these problems have been going on for way to long. Why is that? One the bottom line and the second is the price of beef chicken and pork would go up from some death losses.

There are less Cattle today in the U.S. than in the great depression. If you will do a search prices are being controlled because of a fear of a consumer backlash. Yet study after study shows that the average consumer is willing to pay more for source verified, quality and antibiotic and hormone free. These are three things they wish for and soon will be demanding.

Our country blocks the import of fish from China because they feed preventative antibiotics to their fish, all the while allowing these same practices to go unchecked in this country.

IN 2004 THE U.S.D.A. THREW THE CANADIAN beef industry under the bus.
they screamed about Canada allowing byproducts to still exist in their feed supply. Yet in 2006 it was found that many feed suppliers were still suppling feed in the U.S,. with animal byproducts that caused mad cow. this was swept under the rugby our industry as well as our government at the expense and reputation of our neighbors and fellow men and women to the north. :mad: :mad:


To many that have posted in this thread these truths are called rants and bad for the industry. No whats bad for the industry and our fellow man to sweep it under the rug out of fear of loss of market share all the while not giving a rats rear about the cost to their fellow man and their families health.

If this pzzes anyone off thats their problem all of the above being tolerated pizzes me off and I WILL NOT COVER UP NOR DENY THE FACTS TO APPEASE ANYONE.

I say the sooner the public is educated as to the goings on in the food industry the better off they will be. The average rancher and farmer are in shock over 13 deaths and 30 wounded at fort hood. Yet the actions posted above effect millions and when anyone like myself addresses it they are accused of ranting and told to hush.

Call it what you wish the facts are there. I wont cover crap for anyone no matter how much the the market share might suffer.


Lastly soap you said beef as a whole is safe. Nothing could be farther from the truth based on the facts above. Did the AMERICAN rancher/farmer not learn anything when the Canadian beef Industry was dealt a death blow by greedy lying packers, feedlots, producers and our government.

The producer deserves what is coming down the pike due to their lack of concern for the general public.
Click to expand...

Pig Farmer, please make your rants shorter. They are hard to address in this long filibuster fashion. Besides, no one reads the long-winded posts. I know I sure don't.

Pig Farmer said:
80 percent of all beef is inundated with growth implants. These implants are said to cause early childhood puberty as young as 8 years old girls starting to have woman sized breasts and starting their periods. Let alone the facts that support these hormones in the food supply contribute to cancers in the populace.

Peter Jennings on ABC did a special about this 20 years ago. There was very strong evidence behind his special about the hormone implants and association to early childhood puberty.
Click to expand...


Addressing just one of your topics--early puberty in young girls--I would have this to say. Probably the main reason they reach early puberty is because of all the racy television that is available for their viewing pleasure. Learning by example, they have soon passed to the "experimenting" stage. One thing leads to another, and possibly these young girls become pregnant. Then it becomes the fault of beef because there are growth hormones in the mix. The real reason that girls are reaching early puberty is because of better nutrition all the way around. This is a fact in the raising of livestock and people being the animals they are, the same thing holds true.
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Its pathetic when science means nothing and personal opinions for self serving greed are the menu of the day.
 
I truly hope that if r2 was on a mission to reveal the sorry ways of complacency in the beef/pork and poultry industry. I hope that she turns the industry upside down and inside out. :wink:

If I had known this was her possible agenda I SURE WOULD HAVE FED HER SOME SUBSTANCE. :lol:
 
HP, a few points...

Isn't the USA the largest beef market in the world?

Aren't the 3 largest packers(that process about 80% of fed cattle in the USA) already global?

By being global, they look at world cattle prices that are about half North American prices...where do you think they believe is the best way to increase their margins?

You mention the auto industry...what brought on the declined dominance in USA auto makers and made consumers not want to buy their product? Could it have been lack of quality and trying to force consumers to buy a product they didn't want?

Health and safety issues have zero tolerance with consumers.
 
Shortgrass, is the industry insinuating Southeastern producers are bad producers because of our price discrimination? What about discrimination of cattle without black hides?

What did you thing about the acid rumen issue in the video?
 
Soap I guess based on your remark about the length of the post. That one could assume that when you read the Bible you skip the long chapters and long verses. :wink:

I rather find it an unwillingness to see the forest for the trees or a lack of concern. But then again we all know what is said about opinions. :lol:
 
Soapweed, the issues some of have with the industry don't go back to the producers. I know all producers here care for their cattle and produce the best product possible. Most of these industry problems originate with the large packers and their associated feedlot(not all feedlots). BSE and E.coli are problems that hurt beef producers that are not of our making. I agree with Pig Farmer that we have to address these issues if we are going to increase beef demand...the big, multi-protein packers aren't going to do it.

Your comment keep me in balance and I agree that the hormone issue is a very weak criticism, but we don't need added hormones to raise good beef and if it hurts demand and market share(EU market), why use them?
 
Pig Farmer said:
Its pathetic when science means nothing and personal opinions for self serving greed are the menu of the day.
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Pig Farmer, I commend you for being a conservative. Otherwise, I could find it very easy to get plumb disgusted with you. :wink: :-)

Pig Farmer said:
We give antibiotics only as a treatment, not as a prevention. And any animal that must be marketed is allowed full withdrawal periods plus extra time. We also inform our customer base of these procedures.
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Believe it or not, we follow the exact same procedures with our cattle. Right now, I am holding two cows that I wanted to sell, but they mistakenly got shots of Alpha 7 when we worked our cows. There is a sixty day withdrawal on this vaccination, and I won't be selling these cows until in January because of our mistake.

In your statement, you say you give antibiotics "only as a treatment." That is the only time we give them, also. Here is a question for your excellence. On the cattle that you give antibiotics "only as a treatment," do you sell the beef, or do you dispose of it because it is "tainted"? If you sell it, someone undoubtedly eats it, and then you are just as guilty as the rest of us.

I do realize there is a problem with antibiotics no longer working in people. One major reason this happens, is because doctors generously prescribe too many antibiotics. They are afraid not to because they will be sued for malpractice if things go wrong. They prefer to err on the side of caution, which boils down to too much antibiotics. Then if people quit using these antibiotics too soon, their bodies build up an imunity. Yes, there is a definite problem in the medical field.

The Beef Industry has made many major changes in recent years to clean up their act. I am doing all I can at my level to help in this mission. I hope you can honestly say the same.
 
Blkbuckaroo, good post...I thought it would go well with this thread.

Soapweed, we don't think the meat from animals we have to treat with antibiotics is "tainted". It's that our protocal is "antibiotic free"...just being honest to our customers.

Blkbuckaroo said:
I think some on the forum may be taking some comments made out of context,it's not a rancher versus rancher,how one raises his/her cattle compared to another.I thought we we're more talking about how the animals are treated once they are sold and start thier feedlot existance till slaughter and the way thier housed and fed.You folks on here have beautiful operations of which a starter first generation guy could only dream,not knocking that.It's the corporations that drive my comments.What does occur to me is that the situation of folks in the midwest far from a source where they could direct market thier animals to folks with disposible incomes is not an option,and you're producing to the market that is available to you,and i support you on that and understand there's alot of people to feed in this country and the world,and you guys are doing your part to keep the food flowing smoothly and and at a price people can afford,i'm not knocking conventional producers here,most guys i know are.The model of Ag that most appealed and made sence to us as small producers living close to a good sales base was to direct our product to folks whom have a sence of social responsibility for the envirorment and want food raised in the same fashion and are willing to pay what the farmer and rancher fill is fair for thier efforts,they want from pasture to slaughter to plate,and we want the whole consumer dollar,no middle men,healthy animals.I don't knock corn fed raised beef,grew up on it and know many people that prefer it,i just found something that fit my operation and beliefs as far as how animals going into the food system should be raised and went that route,to each his own,should'nt be a seperating factor amongst us producers,since all of our circumstances are very different.I fill overall there's a good perception of farmers and ranchers at least in this area and people want to connect with us and hear our side and stories if we let them,"King Corn" is another interesting documentry.
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RobertMac said:
Soapweed, the issues some of have with the industry don't go back to the producers. I know all producers here care for their cattle and produce the best product possible. Most of these industry problems originate with the large packers and their associated feedlot(not all feedlots). BSE and E.coli are problems that hurt beef producers that are not of our making. I agree with Pig Farmer that we have to address these issues if we are going to increase beef demand...the big, multi-protein packers aren't going to do it.

Your comment keep me in balance and I agree that the hormone issue is a very weak criticism, but we don't need added hormones to raise good beef and if it hurts demand and market share(EU market), why use them?
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RM one has to look no farther than the dairy industry. BST milk is refused at all major supermarket chains like Walmart, Sams, Kroger and on and on.

Many dairy farms are going under that were milking thousands of cows a day. All because of what hormones so no hormones is not a week issue. The beef industry is next and those that fail will fail because of their own undoing.


A dairy that milks thousands can not survive without the hormones to raise production. Also here is another example of truth being swept under the rug.

The dairy industry tanked because the milk with hormone induced production was refused at the retail level. BECAUSE OF THE CONSUMER DEMANDING HORMONE FREE MILK PLAIN AND SIMPLE. :!: :!: :!:

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The excess milk is the result of the refusal of hormone tainted milk. Not because milk production as a whole out paced demand.
 

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