Mike: "Prove it SH, Prove it. Like you always say, It was your statement, the burden of proof is on you. Are you lying, or just don't know the hell you're talking about? Which is it?
Watch this folks!"
PROVE IT????
How many cases of bse have been discovered in cattle under 24 months of age worldwide with universally accepted testing methodology?
HOW MANY MIKE????
How many world wide bse scientists are recommending bse testing of cattle under 24 months of age?
HOW MANY MIKE?????
Why did Fielding admit that "BSE TESTED" does not mean "BSE FREE" knowing that his statement was self defeating to his goal of accessing the Japanese market?
WHY MIKE????
Japan accepted US beef without testing.
WHY DID THEY DO THAT IF THEY WERE/ARE DEMANDING TESTING????
HOW MUCH FRICKIN' PROOF DO YOU WANT MIKE?
You know darn well that I'm not a bse research scientist and you sure as heck aren't either. I trust the science that has been accepted by those who are taxed with the responsibility of food safety as opposed to the five and dime critics who spend their whole lives blaming others in their little blamers support groups.
What are you trying to say anyway Mike? What's your point? Are you trying to justify your desire to capitalize on the fears of SOME Japanese consumers by creating "AN ILLUSION" that bse testing cattle under 24 months of age will detect bse prions??? It's bullsh*t! You know it and I know it. At least be honest with yourself. At least have the integrity to admit that you are willing to sell "THE ILLUSION OF SAFETY" to the Japanese consumer as opposed to "SCIENCE BASED SAFETY".
This is such a dumb-assed argument anyway. JAPAN HAS ALREADY IMPORTED UNTESTED BEEF FROM THE US. WHY ABSORB THE COSTS OF TESTING NOW ONLY TO SELL AN "ILLUSION OF SAFETY"? DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE???? The Japanese government has already taken a position on this issue contrary to yours. How much can they believe in testing if they themselves have agreed to import beef from the US without testing???
HOUSTON TO MIKE, HOUSTON TO MIKE!
Rod: "Its not US consumers that are buying the Japanese beef, its Japanese consumers, and they want the tests. Your US consumer question is nothing more than a diversion. And if you think that you, or the US consumer for that matter, know more about BSE testing and BSE tests than the Japanese government and the Japanese consumer, you're dreaming. They've lived with the disease for longer than we have, they've had more cases of it, and its hurting their economy more than it hurts ours. You better believe they know AT LEAST as much as we do, if not a whole lot more."
So if the Japan are so well versed on BSE, WHY THE HECK WOULD THEY DEMAND BSE TESTING IF THEY KNEW THAT THOSE TESTS WOULD NOT REVEAL BSE PRIONS??? Hmmmmm?????
How much sense does that make Rod???
The fact that the Japanese government has already accepted UNTESTED BEEF from the United States absolutely slam dunks that argument. Japan's actions speak louder than cheap talk from you.
Sandbag: "See what a clown you make yourself look like when you feel the need to defend the USDA's actions regardless? Even you have to realize how foolish your points are.
THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO, SH."
I understand how you think you have to justify selling the "ILLUSION OF SAFETY" in your mind. I would expect nothing less from a deceiver like you. You've shown your cards many times.
Your total SRM removal argument is the same as your stupid argument about USDA allowing the sale of organic. In both cases, these actions are going beyond what science says is safe. Growth hormones have already been approved by FDA for use in cattle. Residue testing of growth implants in beef has been extensive. Neither adds to the safety but neither has the potential to hurt consumers. Both error on the side of safety.
In contrast, bse testing of cattle under 24 months of age creates an image that if bse prions were there, they would be detected. THAT'S NOT THE CASE. BSE prions could be present and not be detected. To sell bse tested beef from cattle under 24 months of age and create an illusion of safety not supported by science makes a mockery out of scientific research. CONSUMERS WHO KNEW WOULD NEVER STAND FOR IT.
THAT'S THE FRICKIN' DIFFERENCE!
You can't see it and you'll never see it becasuse this is one of the few issues you "BELIEVE" you can successfully argue but you can't. CONSUMERS WILL NEVER STAND FOR DECEPTIVE TESTING ONCE THEY KNOW THE FACTS, NEVER! You know it and I know it but you proceed ahead with a "what they don't know wont hurt them" attitude like the damn deceptive person you are.
What part of the fact that Japan has already accepted untested beef from the United States do you not understand? THEY'RE NOT DEMANDING YOUR "ILLUSION OF SAFETY".
If they were demanding it, you have no problem selling deception, I do.
AGAIN, I have no problem supporting BSE testing WITH APPROVED TESTS THAT WILL ACTUALLY DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY WILL.
The other half of this argument is a post that Mike reminded me of. The fact that a USDA representative said those tests were illegal because they had not been approved by USDA. Not only is the test deceptive, according to one USDA representative, IT'S ILLEGAL!
Who the hell am I to discourage you from supporting "ILLEGAL" consumer deception????
Sandbag: "THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO, SH."
I can absolutely guarantee you that if Japanese consumers knew that the bse tests Creekstone planned to use would not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age, they would never accept them. Obviously their government has seen the light or they would not have accepted untested beef from the United States.
You guys make a mockery out of scientific research.
Sandbag: "I think he has the same inferiority complex that Lee Harvey Oswald had. Lee's problem led him to do some very controversial things (other than to kill the President of the US). He was a loner (lone wolf) who tried to stand out from the crowd. One thing he tried was to proclaim himself a marxist. His own brother said that if everybody around him was a marxist, he would of been a capitalist (USDA and AMI blanket supporter). He joined the Marines to be somebody different (SH joined R-CALF when it was first getting started) and, once discharged, moved to the Soviet Union. After a while there, they were tired of his crap, he realized it and came home. (quit R-CALF and joined NCBA) Upon his arrival back to the US, he thought he would be a big deal and had a self-serving BS speech prepared. ("My only bias is the truth", "I have never been refuted") He was very surprised when there was no press waiting for him (a legend in own mind). He had a hard time fitting in and quarreled with others often (think he quarrels here at all?) We all know the rest of the story."
Yet another feeble attempt to discredit anyone who you cannot debate. Always seeking solace in your little blaming support group. I should so easily be dismissed but you come back day after day after day to try to throw more sh*t against me hoping that something will stick but all you ever end up with is another hand full of sh*t. You can't even win a bet without my willingness to prove myself wrong and my willingness to admit it and pay up.
No wonder you will go to such great lengths in your desperate attempts to discredit me. No wonder you seek solace in your little packer blaming support groups. All I can say is that is speaks volumes to your level of self confidence in your arguments. All you have is the ability to spin and divert and the need to blame. You couldn't back your views with facts if your life depended on it. "L"!
~SH~