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A purpose for Rcalf

rkaiser

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Listen you Rcalf folks, and listen real hard. There is a purpose for your group, but that purpose does not include a border issue which you have and had no influence over since day one.

Support Creekstone farms. Save face boys and throw all your energy into getting beef to Japan. The best way to deal with the multinational corps. is to deal with them where they don't want to deal. If they are showing you that they are comfortable dealing with North American cattle in North America, support any venture that is not. Creekstone is the one boys, at least at the moment. You want to call yourself a Legal Fund? Then throw some legal funds the direction of Creekstone Farms and help them make the changes that American producers truely need.

I am asking you Oldtimer - to send this very message to the leadership of Rcalf. I don't care if they read it or not, but you should.

Canadian regards
Randall E Kaiser
 

RobertMac

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And you Canadians are challenging the multi-national packers...where???????????? Same advise holds for you...demand BSE testing so export markets (other than the USA) can be opened for Canadian beef. The multi-national packers want to keep the North American market contained until supply eclipses demand to the point of pressuring live cattle prices down. They look at THEIR global picture, not at Canadian or USA producers situation.
 
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Anonymous

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Kaiser--I already did it...In talking with many around here the general consensus (me included) is that another battle in court is not worth it--but the border opening needs to come with some reservations...And I have conveyed these feelings to the R-CALF leadership...

They are to

#1--- Implement and have an operating M-COOL BEFORE anything over 30 months comes across the border...If USDA wants to, that means the OTM beef/cattle could be coming across the border by the end of the year..

#2--- Demand hot iron permant Brand identification on ALL live animals imported into the US-- the C^N- for Canada- so they can be identified for M-COOL and so we don't get stuck again for a positive Canadian origin.....Something they could do easily....

#3---Develop, Implement, and adequately pursue a tracking system for ALL cattle imported into the US-...Shouldn't be that hard- but for USDA it could be a mind bender :roll:

Then Open the doors....I still have hairy worries about bringing high risk cattle into the country and the worry it will weaken our firewalls- but the handwriting is on the wall that the USDA/Bush Administration has sold out to the Packers and is hell bent on opening the border and putting our cattle/industry at higher risk-- But I think that with the Congressmen we now have backing us we can at least get these concessions......

Like Sandhusker says- we are already tied into the Creekstone suit- but maybe its time for some Canucks to get some backbone and stand up against the Packers and call for their government to allow Private company testing and work for an M-COOL before your country becomes the dumping ground for all Tyson/Cargills South American beef....
 

rkaiser

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RobertMac
And you Canadians are challenging the multi-national packers...where???????????? Same advise holds for you...demand BSE testing so export markets (other than the USA) can be opened for Canadian beef. The multi-national packers want to keep the North American market contained until supply eclipses demand to the point of pressuring live cattle prices down. They look at THEIR global picture, not at Canadian or USA producers situation.

Fully understood Robert and in answer to your first question ----- I AM. And so are the rest of the Beef Initiative Group. And we are tackling new issues every day that I will not share on this BS forum. If you would like to know what I am up to Robert - PM me.
 

Kato

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#1--- Implement and have an operating M-COOL BEFORE anything over 30 months comes across the border...If USDA wants to, that means the OTM beef/cattle could be coming across the border by the end of the year..

This is the #1 reason simply due to the fact that R-Calf knows it will take YEARS to ever get it going. :!: You guys have been fighting about this since Moses was in high school.

#2--- Demand hot iron permant Brand identification on ALL live animals imported into the US-- the C^N- for Canada- so they can be identified for M-COOL and so we don't get stuck again for a positive Canadian origin.....Something they could do easily....

Already in place. :!: Not needed for slaughter animals if your packers don't screw up. (Which isn't our fault) Branding an animal the day before slaughter is just plain mean.

#3---Develop, Implement, and adequately pursue a tracking system for ALL cattle imported into the US-...Shouldn't be that hard- but for USDA it could be a mind bender

It's already there if you guys want to follow the rules that are set up now. :!:
 

Ben Roberts

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Kato said:
#1--- Implement and have an operating M-COOL BEFORE anything over 30 months comes across the border...If USDA wants to, that means the OTM beef/cattle could be coming across the border by the end of the year..

This is the #1 reason simply due to the fact that R-Calf knows it will take YEARS to ever get it going. :!: You guys have been fighting about this since Moses was in high school.

#2--- Demand hot iron permant Brand identification on ALL live animals imported into the US-- the C^N- for Canada- so they can be identified for M-COOL and so we don't get stuck again for a positive Canadian origin.....Something they could do easily....

Already in place. :!: Not needed for slaughter animals if your packers don't screw up. (Which isn't our fault) Branding an animal the day before slaughter is just plain mean.

#3---Develop, Implement, and adequately pursue a tracking system for ALL cattle imported into the US-...Shouldn't be that hard- but for USDA it could be a mind bender

It's already there if you guys want to follow the rules that are set up now. :!:

Kato, what system is already set up? Your system that is in place now ends at the border, does it not?

Ben Roberts
 
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Anonymous

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Kato said:
#1--- Implement and have an operating M-COOL BEFORE anything over 30 months comes across the border...If USDA wants to, that means the OTM beef/cattle could be coming across the border by the end of the year..

This is the #1 reason simply due to the fact that R-Calf knows it will take YEARS to ever get it going. :!: You guys have been fighting about this since Moses was in high school.

NO way-- the law is already on the books-- and two bills in Congress is asking USDA to implement it by Sept 2007- which they could do if they want to....This is the big one -- NO COOL= NO CANUCK COWS....

#2--- Demand hot iron permant Brand identification on ALL live animals imported into the US-- the C^N- for Canada- so they can be identified for M-COOL and so we don't get stuck again for a positive Canadian origin.....Something they could do easily....

Already in place. :!: Not needed for slaughter animals if your packers don't screw up. (Which isn't our fault) Branding an animal the day before slaughter is just plain mean.

USDA is waffling on this now- not requiring hot iron brands on fats going to slaughter (rmember Swift and VanDycks) , wanting to allow ear tattoos in the Rule 2 cattle-- that can and do disappear and are not openly visible...

#3---Develop, Implement, and adequately pursue a tracking system for ALL cattle imported into the US-...Shouldn't be that hard- but for USDA it could be a mind bender

It's already there if you guys want to follow the rules that are set up now. :!:

USDA has shown it has no database or system in place to maintain or track anything coming across the border, let alone the 1.5 million they want to now allow in, and allow to go all over the country...Right now they are trying to leave it up to/and blaming any errors on the individual states- which should not have to be their job since its the federal boys that want to open the border
 

don

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ben roberts: Your system that is in place now ends at the border, does it not?

of course it does. there is no system south of the line to coordinate with. play catch-22 all you want; no system no tracking and fight the establishment of a viable id system. pretty good way to justify keeping the border closed.
 

Mike

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don said:
ben roberts: Your system that is in place now ends at the border, does it not?

of course it does. there is no system south of the line to coordinate with. play catch-22 all you want; no system no tracking and fight the establishment of a viable id system. pretty good way to justify keeping the border closed.

Only two places for cattle that cross the border to go now....

1- To the feedlot, or
2- To slaughter

My 3 year old grandaughter could figure a way to track those.

Oh, I forgot, there's that privacy issue..........................
 

don

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it doesn't have to end at the border. usda has all the tag numbers of canadian cattle coming in now so go ahead and track them. the animals are id'd, it's the us who isn't tracking. if you can't track the van dyck cattle back to the border from their records what good will it do to know what canadian ranchers shipped cattle for slaughter in the states? if you don't have the tag numbers it's not canada's system that's deficient. would you want cattle id'd as yours just because somebody's gone on a fishing trip to make a case in a dispute in a foreign country? americans are very good at standing up for individual rights so i don't think many would. ot wets his pants at the thought of individual animal id with traceback.
 
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don said:
it doesn't have to end at the border. usda has all the tag numbers of canadian cattle coming in now so go ahead and track them. the animals are id'd, it's the us who isn't tracking. .

You're right don-- that just what we've been saying, NCBA has been saying, and R-CALF and many of its affiliates have been saying....The tags are there- the paperwork coming across the border should be there-- its just that USDA has no database, infrastructure or system/ nor do they seem to have the desire, to track these imported cattle as they had promised way back 3 years ago when they proposed opening the border.......

Now they even want to poop backwards on the hot iron branding which I think should be a mandatory on ALL imported cows from anywhere from this day forward.........
 

Ben Roberts

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don said:
ben roberts: Your system that is in place now ends at the border, does it not?

of course it does. there is no system south of the line to coordinate with. play catch-22 all you want; no system no tracking and fight the establishment of a viable id system. pretty good way to justify keeping the border closed.

don, i'm not trying to keep the border closed, i've always said that we need an open border. the usda is the one that won't track your numbers on the south side of the 49th, almost every state vet, that i know, would like to be able to track your numbers.

Ben Roberts
 

Kato

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Oldtimer said:
Kato said:
#1--- Implement and have an operating M-COOL BEFORE anything over 30 months comes across the border...If USDA wants to, that means the OTM beef/cattle could be coming across the border by the end of the year..

This is the #1 reason simply due to the fact that R-Calf knows it will take YEARS to ever get it going. :!: You guys have been fighting about this since Moses was in high school.

NO way-- the law is already on the books-- and two bills in Congress is asking USDA to implement it by Sept 2007- which they could do if they want to....This is the big one -- NO COOL= NO CANUCK COWS....

We've been hearing that for years now. I'll believe it when I see it.

#2--- Demand hot iron permant Brand identification on ALL live animals imported into the US-- the C^N- for Canada- so they can be identified for M-COOL and so we don't get stuck again for a positive Canadian origin.....Something they could do easily....

Already in place. :!: Not needed for slaughter animals if your packers don't screw up. (Which isn't our fault) Branding an animal the day before slaughter is just plain mean.

USDA is waffling on this now- not requiring hot iron brands on fats going to slaughter (rmember Swift and VanDycks) , wanting to allow ear tattoos in the Rule 2 cattle-- that can and do disappear and are not openly visible...

Swift and VanDyks .. yes. The lack of brands proved they were fats, not feeders. Tattoos would be backed up by EID tags, assuming you guys don't cut those out.

#3---Develop, Implement, and adequately pursue a tracking system for ALL cattle imported into the US-...Shouldn't be that hard- but for USDA it could be a mind bender



USDA has shown it has no database or system in place to maintain or track anything coming across the border, let alone the 1.5 million they want to now allow in, and allow to go all over the country...Right now they are trying to leave it up to/and blaming any errors on the individual states- which should not have to be their job since its the federal boys that want to open the border

Why doesn't it have a database? Because American producers don't want an ID system. Thats why. You've been fighting about that for years as well. Block the ID system, and you give yourselves a reason to keep imported cattle out.
 
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Anonymous

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Kato-- the USDA when they sold this open border plan 3-4 years ago said they would develop and maintain a data base and tracking system for these IMPORTED animals...US producers are against the USDA's proposed plan to track ALL animals , but have supported/demanded one that requires every imported animal be tracked.......

This is one of many thing USDA promised, but has yet to follow up on.....
 

ocm

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For anybody who cares there is an article on cattlenetwork where an R-CALF director talks publicly about the R-CALF leadership change.
 

Mike

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Why should the US producer have to build a system to track imported animals?

If the packer wants them bad enough, they should create their own.

Same goes for breeding stock. Let the importer do the tracking on them.
 
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Anonymous

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Heres part of Kruses take on why USDA is deadset to open the border-and why the OIE rating will fail and testing...He's got it figured out pretty darn good.....

While beef demand has exceed expectations after having lost Asian export markets, access to global markets will be critical for sustaining long term industry profitability. The US and Canada both have fingers crossed that the world organization for animal health (OIE) will rate BSE risk as "controlled". They expect to take that improved rating to both South Korea and Japan to see what it will buy them. Canada may be controlled now, but it will be years until the post MBN feed ban infected animals are purged from their herd. The U.S. has to tie our exports to Canada's BSE risk because the USDA wants to open the U.S. border to old Canadian cattle and beef, merging supply. Will the OIE report prompt concessions from Asian beef partners as the USDA expects? What else has worked out the way the USDA planned? Yet they keep on doing the same thing, taking the same approach over and over. There is a saying that if you always do what you have always done, you'll always get what you've always got. I think it's a lot of hooey about nothing and Japan and South Korea will give the OIE reports tacit acknowledgement, signifying nothing.

The NCBA and the USDA are on the same page, using the same line of bull opposing private BSE testing. NCBA and the USDA representatives argue that BSE testing would give consumers a "false sense of security". Do they want to sell beef or just play games? The consumer makes those decisions and there is absolutely no harm in consumers buying BSE tested beef if they choose to do so. The USDA lets them label food products "organic" for a false sense of food safety. This all comes down to special interests. It doesn't have a darn thing to do with consumers. They could also care less about beef producer interests. Major packers don't want to test beef for BSE or to let niche packers like Creekstone test either. That's the water being carried and neither consumers nor producers are getting what they want because special interests running the stubbornly stupid USDA/NCBA are having it their way instead. They prefer the loss of Asian beef exports to giving consumers tested beef.
 
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