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A Question for both Theist's and Atheist's

Tex

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CattleArmy said:
Oldtimer said:
CattleArmy said:
Back in the day I think the Bible and church was what set the standard for morality, today I think society does. Not that I think it is right just my opinion. The Bible hasn't changed and yet morality had changed a great deal and keeps on changing about what is acceptable......

Even back over the thousands of years- the church and and their interpretation of the Bible has continued to change and evolve-- which many times then led to the change of society....And as God becomes less of a centerpiece of society - He/the Bible play less of a role in setting the standards acceptable to society.....

Yes the interpretation of the Bible does change however the word stays the same. Some people can read something and make it mean anything they want.

Kind of reminds me of the fascist judges in the 11th circuit and those that follow in the other circuits who have no problem changing the word "or" into "and" to keep our markets less competitive and protect billionaires who break the law.

I am really glad the democratic Senate did not recess over Tday and allowed no recess appointments so Bush and his cronies could appoint more corrupt judges in recess appointments who are nothing more than FASCISTS!
 

CattleArmy

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I guess I think that children gain their thoughts on morality from their parents through the thoughts and beliefs instilled in them. Ok wait let me ax that thought. Some of my most religious raised aquaintences are some of those that got knocked up or turned out gay. I guess maybe it's more what society accepts in this modern world we live in. Getting pregnant is no longer unacceptable by most. Who hasn't been to the big white wedding that the bride is knocked up?

Ok so morality is on the way out. What scares me and yes I know many will remind me I'm kinda sorta a little tad bit open minded what's on the way in?? I have children I do want them to know the value of marriage, and that children come AFTER the golden ring. I want them to be productive happy members of society that know right from wrong. It fears me that it seems less is deemed as wrong in the society and over time more and more goes and if it doesn't just blame your parents and some shrink will get it to be your excuse. :( scary.
 

backhoeboogie

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Mrs.Greg said:
nonothing said:
Mrs.Greg said:
NN,if I'm understanding you right,your wondering if morality needs Gods intervention or if it can stand on its own feet???

If I'm getting that right....its pretty obvious to me as God seems to drift further and further out in the ocean that our morality has gone to Hell :!:


That being said,does your statement not support a creative objective morality that changes over time? Or.are you saying that god has given up and is backing away? Is morality simply created by the continuous movement of societies from one generation to the next or Does divine inspiration control our moral behavior?.....
Well I'm not sure if I would call it creative,but I would call it objectable.God gives us choices,some choices that are made by people chosing to not follow Gods lead is leading to the severe lack of morality we're seeing more and more.
Kola's right about how about how morality is being percieved in our society,things are becoming more acceptable that I truly don't think needs to be accepted. I can't stand seeing a young lady out in public dressed so her belly button is showing{other then the beach} I feel like shes not respecting herself.The belly button thing is a tiny part,if you look at T.V now they go way beyond the belly button,I hate it that our young people see and think this is the normal way to live.I truly believe that God does play a roll in morality,and is needed to stop the downward spiral our morality is taking...this is my strong opinion

The proof is in the pudding Mrs. Greg. Crime rate has been increasing right along with the moral decay. You have made some very good posts in this thread.
 

Mrs.Greg

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I read this in the Edmonton Journal today and thought,this fits in this thread,kind of proves the point I've been trying to make :)




Churchgoers less likely to run around
Conservative believers most faithful to spouses
Shannon Proudfoot, CanWest News Service
Published: 1:38 am
Where you worship -- and whether you worship at all -- could be connected to your likelihood of straying from your marriage vows.

People who identify with a faith group are less likely to cheat on their spouses than those with no religious affiliation, a new study has found. But even among the religious set, the odds vary according to denomination.

"What matters the most is being involved in a religious organization," says Amy Burdette, co-author of the study and a post-doctoral scholar at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. "Those who attend church more are less likely to cheat, and those who have more conservative views of the Bible are less likely to cheat."


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Font:****Baptists are one-third less likely to wander than those with no religious affiliation, researchers found, and Catholics display similar odds. Moderate Protestants such as Presbyterians and Lutherans have 37 per cent lower odds of cheating than the unaffiliated, while liberal Protestants such as those in the United and Anglican churches are 31 per cent more faithful.

Non-traditional conservative groups such as Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses display no less likelihood of cheating than people with no religious affiliation.

"That was a little bit surprising, considering you think of these conservative religious groups as having stricter teachings about sexuality," Burdette says.

Those belonging to "other" faiths, such as Judaism and Islam, also carry the same odds of infidelity as non-religious people, the researchers say.

The study, published in the December issue of the Journal of Family Issues, categorized faiths according to the American spiritual landscape. The Canadian denominational examples provided here are approximations.

All faith groups tend to emphasize family life and promote strong marital relationships, Burdette says, which may partly explain the results.

"I don't think there's any church that would say extramarital affairs are OK, even churches that are less strict on premarital sex, for example," she says. "There's a blanket condemnation of extramarital affairs."

Regular church attendance and faith-oriented events may leave people with less time to frequent environments conducive to cheating, such as bars, she says. The authors also suggest that religious participation may lessen the risk of infidelity because members are more likely to move in social circles that "lower opportunities for extramarital sex and raise the likelihood and costs of detection."

The researchers considered the possibility that people lied about adulterous relationships. However, Burdette says previous studies have shown that religious people are no more likely to give "socially desirable" answers.
 

kolanuraven

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Mrs.Greg said:
I read this in the Edmonton Journal today and thought,this fits in this thread,kind of proves the point I've been trying to make :)




Churchgoers less likely to run around
Conservative believers most faithful to spouses
Shannon Proudfoot, CanWest News Service
Published: 1:38 am
Where you worship -- and whether you worship at all -- could be connected to your likelihood of straying from your marriage vows.

People who identify with a faith group are less likely to cheat on their spouses than those with no religious affiliation, a new study has found. But even among the religious set, the odds vary according to denomination.

"What matters the most is being involved in a religious organization," says Amy Burdette, co-author of the study and a post-doctoral scholar at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. "Those who attend church more are less likely to cheat, and those who have more conservative views of the Bible are less likely to cheat."


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Font:****Baptists are one-third less likely to wander than those with no religious affiliation, researchers found, and Catholics display similar odds. Moderate Protestants such as Presbyterians and Lutherans have 37 per cent lower odds of cheating than the unaffiliated, while liberal Protestants such as those in the United and Anglican churches are 31 per cent more faithful.

Non-traditional conservative groups such as Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses display no less likelihood of cheating than people with no religious affiliation.

"That was a little bit surprising, considering you think of these conservative religious groups as having stricter teachings about sexuality," Burdette says.

Those belonging to "other" faiths, such as Judaism and Islam, also carry the same odds of infidelity as non-religious people, the researchers say.

The study, published in the December issue of the Journal of Family Issues, categorized faiths according to the American spiritual landscape. The Canadian denominational examples provided here are approximations.

All faith groups tend to emphasize family life and promote strong marital relationships, Burdette says, which may partly explain the results.

"I don't think there's any church that would say extramarital affairs are OK, even churches that are less strict on premarital sex, for example," she says. "There's a blanket condemnation of extramarital affairs."

Regular church attendance and faith-oriented events may leave people with less time to frequent environments conducive to cheating, such as bars, she says. The authors also suggest that religious participation may lessen the risk of infidelity because members are more likely to move in social circles that "lower opportunities for extramarital sex and raise the likelihood and costs of detection."
The researchers considered the possibility that people lied about adulterous relationships. However, Burdette says previous studies have shown that religious people are no more likely to give "socially desirable" answers.




Well they why are all these preachers getting caught with their pants around their ankles then? Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker, Ted Haggard ( sp?), just to name 2-3 big names?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
Mrs.Greg said:
I read this in the Edmonton Journal today and thought,this fits in this thread,kind of proves the point I've been trying to make :)




Churchgoers less likely to run around
Conservative believers most faithful to spouses
Shannon Proudfoot, CanWest News Service
Published: 1:38 am
Where you worship -- and whether you worship at all -- could be connected to your likelihood of straying from your marriage vows.

People who identify with a faith group are less likely to cheat on their spouses than those with no religious affiliation, a new study has found. But even among the religious set, the odds vary according to denomination.

"What matters the most is being involved in a religious organization," says Amy Burdette, co-author of the study and a post-doctoral scholar at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. "Those who attend church more are less likely to cheat, and those who have more conservative views of the Bible are less likely to cheat."


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Font:****Baptists are one-third less likely to wander than those with no religious affiliation, researchers found, and Catholics display similar odds. Moderate Protestants such as Presbyterians and Lutherans have 37 per cent lower odds of cheating than the unaffiliated, while liberal Protestants such as those in the United and Anglican churches are 31 per cent more faithful.

Non-traditional conservative groups such as Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses display no less likelihood of cheating than people with no religious affiliation.

"That was a little bit surprising, considering you think of these conservative religious groups as having stricter teachings about sexuality," Burdette says.

Those belonging to "other" faiths, such as Judaism and Islam, also carry the same odds of infidelity as non-religious people, the researchers say.

The study, published in the December issue of the Journal of Family Issues, categorized faiths according to the American spiritual landscape. The Canadian denominational examples provided here are approximations.

All faith groups tend to emphasize family life and promote strong marital relationships, Burdette says, which may partly explain the results.

"I don't think there's any church that would say extramarital affairs are OK, even churches that are less strict on premarital sex, for example," she says. "There's a blanket condemnation of extramarital affairs."

Regular church attendance and faith-oriented events may leave people with less time to frequent environments conducive to cheating, such as bars, she says. The authors also suggest that religious participation may lessen the risk of infidelity because members are more likely to move in social circles that "lower opportunities for extramarital sex and raise the likelihood and costs of detection."
The researchers considered the possibility that people lied about adulterous relationships. However, Burdette says previous studies have shown that religious people are no more likely to give "socially desirable" answers.




Well they why are all these preachers getting caught with their pants around their ankles then? Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker, Ted Haggard ( sp?), just to name 2-3 big names?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The U.S. is a big country there is many churches, religious leaders a few bad apples does not prove all others from being righteous. There is thousands of religious leaders all over the U.S. that live proper lives and teach their flocks morality that is missing in many peoples lives today.
 

Goodpasture

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kolanuraven said:
Well they why are all these preachers getting caught with their pants around their ankles then? Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker, Ted Haggard ( sp?), just to name 2-3 big names?
Out of the thousands of pastors in the nation, this isn't too bad.....and you need to remember, these are the rich pastors, publicly visible, TV pastors. The local pastor ministering his local flock is frequently a stronger, more ethical and loyal a spouse than a televangelist trying to generate the millions needed to keep his show on the air.
 

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