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A real question for OLDTIMER

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Anonymous

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OLDTIMER as a judge and public servant where is your allegance? Will you trample on the Constitution and your fellow Americans or if necessary will you stand for what is right and set in place by our Founding Fathers?

This is where the rubber meets the road or the men are seperated from the boys!


Oath Keepers: Orders We Will Not Obey

"The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this army" - Gen. George Washington, to his troops before the battle of Long Island



Such a time is near at hand again. The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this Army - and this Marine Corps, This Air Force, This Navy and the National Guard units of these sovereign states.


Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, peace officers, and veterans who swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic … and meant it.

Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and that oath will be kept. We won’t “just follow orders."

Which side of the Constitution do you support? The Founding Fathers principles and wishes. Or the destruction of America and its treasured Liberties?


The peace officers that would also include you would it not OT.
 

MsSage

Well-known member
Here are some of his thoughts a few months ago.........


MsSage wrote:
SO OT Is oathkeepers a militia? They are very active in your area......


Never heard of them-- they must be a pretty insignificant bunch....Probably over in the Bitterroot and up on the Yak where all the nutcases from out of state show up.....

Most were/are criminal organizations- and funded themselves thru criminal activities- pure and simple.....

When I was down there watching roadblocks and working around Jordan during the standoff- you wouldn't believe the nutcases that called themselves "Patriots" that drifted in FBI did a very good job of not smoking a few that tried to break into the compound to be with their "brothers"....

Oldtimer wrote:
Lonecowboy wrote:


I don't believe that these groups should even be labeled militias, but they are by the media and people like OT-
these are hate groups,and of course these are the ones lawenforcement encounter.
But are they really that much different than OT spreading his hate?
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Bullpuckey Lonecowboy--I'll call you on that...I didn't name them..I started in law enforcement in 1970-- and thats the name they were being catagorized then...

catagorized by whom? I said I don't believe that they should even be labeled militias

And when I point out people using those same tactics and spouting racism, homophobia, anti government, anti religous freedom, etc. to promote conspiracy and anarchy--I'll call them just what the majority of the country sees them as- rightwingernut crazies and loons....


Ok, OT, and when you want to label all of a group of people that most of which just want their concerns heard and their freedoms protected rightwingnut crazies and loons then I will label you as the predjudiced, bigoted, hatefilled, scared little man that you are. Look those words up in your dictionary so you know their exact meanings.

Very few in America want anarchy- which is no government- look it up too!
Mostly this is a group of people that in fact want the exact opposite- they want the U.S.Constitution enforced.

OT- you can stay in your sad little hatefilled world and continue to look out at the rest of the world with your manure covered spectacles but you are always going to have just your clouded perspective.

Embrace life man- look at it from all angles- everyone who is not just exactly like you is not emotionally imbalanced , or mentally unbalanced or instable or whatever you mean by rightwingernut crazies and loons!

R2 and I today have found meaningful ( to me at least) conversation here today, looked at things from a couple different perspectives, found common ground, and have both agree that we think we live in the greatest country in the world. Where people are free to be (at least for now) rightwingnut crazie loons if we want to be, or hatefilled,prejudiced,bigoted fools if we want to be.

You are bound by your hatred OT- let it go man! let it go!
There is a big wide wonderful world out here just waiting for you to come explore it

Well Lonecowboy--Attack me- because that is what these rightwing extremists chose to call themselves--- but sit back and continue to backslap and buttkiss those promoting those extremist ideals....
I know my part of the country doesn't condone or backslap the the racism, homophobia, conspiracy theory, (CIA blew up the Trade Towers ), anti all religion (worrying about the type underwear Romney wears) that is being posted by the extremists on this site....They are not the norm-- and to me- after 40 years involved with law enforcement extremes- and seeing some of the violent actions those involved with those extremists from either side can/have done scare me...
And I will continue to call out those that promote those extremes and defy them-- even if folks like you wish to sit back or backslap them.....

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Mostly this is a group of people that in fact want the exact opposite- they want the U.S.Constitution enforced.


A question Lonecowboy- did you backslap and support all the erosion and outright usurption of the Constitution done by GW ....Did you speak out against that ....
Interestingly- almost all Constitutional scholars and experts from both the right and left said that he violated it badly- and almost all agree could easily have been impeached...And I spoke out loudly against it-- but I agreed with Pelosi (something I seldom do) when she didn't allow the impeachment proceedings to move forward- because of the catastrophic effects it would/could have on the country....

As I said before--I don't deny being a Progressive in the Teddy Roosevelt mold...He and many of the old Republicans (before this new neocon age) realized there was a need for government to police and level out the playing field- and they could recognize the dangers of corporate fascism....And they recognized the importance of science, technology, building infrastructure and moving forward- not staying in the past century as the current extremist "base" the Repub party caters to...

Quote:
We demand that big business give the people a square deal; in return we must insist that when any one engaged in big business honestly endeavors to do right he shall himself be given a square deal
Theodore Roosevelt





Quote:
We wish to control big business so as to secure among other things good wages for the wage-workers and reasonable prices for the consumers.
Theodore Roosevelt





Quote:
It is essential that there should be organization of labor. This is an era of organization. Capital organizes and therefore labor must organize.
Theodore Roosevelt


I have never denied that I follow much of the thinking of the old Republican party- that not only recognized that oversight duty- but the need for government to provide certain necessities to all Americans if we were to be considered a civilized nation- without getting there noses into being bedroom and religion police- and telling people the religion or morals they have to follow...

The last I can think of that fits that mold is Eisenhower (altho Nixon tried to-but couldn't get past his paranoia)- who did an Obama type stimulus after the war when he continued all the major New Deal programs still in operation, especially Social Security. He expanded its programs and rolled them into a new cabinet-level agency, the Department of Health, Education and Welfare, while extending benefits to an additional ten million workers.

One of Eisenhower's enduring achievements was championing and signing the bill that authorized the Interstate Highway System in 1956. He justified the project through the Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956 as essential to American security during the Cold War. (Much as Obama says the current energy bill is necessary to US security to remove our dependence on foreign oil- which I believe is a huge threat to our security)....

Eisenhower supported the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka U.S. Supreme Court decision, in which segregated schools were ruled to be unconstitutional- even federalizing the Arkansas National Guard to make sure the decision was carried out when local authorities refused to. And instead of the current Republican base that believes their party and the country be only for old white men-- He proposed to Congress the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960 and signed those acts into law.

Eisenhower- like Teddy- was one that recognized the fact that no industry should get more powerful than government- or the people- and the dangers associated with too much power in any industry.....

Quote:
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
~Dwight D. Eisenhower 1961

Lonecowboy - you are wrong- I hate nobody....The closest I've came is to some really bad criminals I've known over the years- but I couldn't even those that tried to kill me- as I wouldn't allow it- as it eats you up from inside like some of these posters...

Have you followed this site long -- the assassination posts- the overt racism posts- the death threats to gays and homosexuals- the lumping of some religions into a one fits all- and threats to kill them all....The continued posting of anti-American/anti government extremist fearmongering conspiracy's- taken from some of the most radical of websites that post 2-3 new conspiracies a day to keep their readership enlarging....

These people that continually follow these actions are those that I consider rightwingernuts, crazies, extremists, and loons... I know of no other way to label them to direct my comments to them-as they definitely don't fit into main stream USA- or the conservative, liberal or Republican or Democrat Partys I know...
 

hypocritexposer

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Larrry

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Vista said:
PUBLIC INFORMATION POSTED ON THE INTERNET.....is not stalking. It the equal to the phone book you moron....


You lonesome...want someone to follow you around?

Ck with White Wing...seems he needs a new date since his dog went sour on him.

liberalism at it finest, continually living down to our expectations
 
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Anonymous

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Kind of seems nono has lost his time slot. I mean using the same time slot just a different loon alias.

Must be privelege time at the jail for ol suck up. Or else recess at the bar.
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Vista said:
PUBLIC INFORMATION POSTED ON THE INTERNET.....is not stalking. It the equal to the phone book you moron....


You lonesome...want someone to follow you around?

Ck with White Wing...seems he needs a new date since his dog went sour on him.

Hummmmmmm things changed since I was chastised very hard for posting something on here about oldtimer that I found on the internet!!!!Even by some of the consertives on here :roll: :roll: :roll:
EH??

What time can I expect your call in the morning?????Should i leave my phone on???? :D :D :D
 

MsSage

Well-known member
Ya know I still am waiting on a call.................sheet since vista posted the info I posted for those who felt if you would be brave enough to sign your name you shouldnt call people out. :roll:
Oh well I know I am not loved here LOL hail I really dont care. :wink:
Nope not lonely just find it funny
Yall behave I have to go run :?
 

nonothing

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Pig Farmer said:
Kind of seems nono has lost his time slot. I mean using the same time slot just a different loon alias.

Must be privelege time at the jail for ol suck up. Or else recess at the bar.

Why is it a guy like this who was all over OT about false accusations,can now sling them my way.....I have no reason to come on here under a different name..I am hated enough under this one,so why would I bother being another? You are just a loud mouth pig boy with no self pride who has no clue what it means to stand up for anything,including yourself...Just because you pig boy come here under different names,does not mean we all do....

I also,even if i had the knowlegde of Hoppy's true identity,would not divuldge it to the masses...As I believe his family deserves thier privacy and it should not be invaded just cause he is an idiot stalker....I have said for years the man hides behind names and it seems even the young MYT farms has caught hoppy in yet another lie....but you hypocrites will go on siding with a proven liar over and over again...I honestly do not know why you keep giving a loser like him chance after chance after chance...If he was a liberal you all would chastise him for his behavior...

I no longer post here because the fun is gone.Since white wing and buckeye and esp.pig boy showed up,the place has just been smothered with hypocrisy..I was informed that pig boy was claiming me to be this vista person,but since I am not i will expect a aplogoy from pig boy as we all know how he reacted to false accusations....Pig boy even went so far as to claim i was inprisoned...Again hypocrisy at its finest.

I read Vista's remarks and they give no clue to his or her political affliations,and they could in fact be a conservative poster just as much as a liberal one.....I do not agree with he/she threating others with outting them personally,but i understand the disslike they could have towards a person like hoppy ,even if all they did was sit by and watch him stalk members here from postings to postings...

I believe if you ask those like Steve and Soapweed or even Yanuck,they will tell you I can be an ass ,a prick or even at times an ok dude,but one thing I am not,is a guy who needs to hide when it comes to calling out the hoppy's of the world or just plain being a rude and name calling poster here.. I am not proud of every thing I have posted but I have apologized when it was the right thing to do,bitched and moaned when it felt it neccesary or simply name called and swore....I did however do all that under one name here....I have no reason to hide on a fricking political web board....

So pig boy,you can take your own hider names and your new friend hoppy's hider names and cram it where the sun dont shine....

If I have something to say here again,it will be under this name and this name only....Now you all can go back to enjoying the new found calmness of this site,as since it is now is strictly a conservative back slapping zone...

Sorry if I upset those who guessed me to be Vista,but if I was your pick,you better rethink your vote....


Now as much as I dislike some here ,I do wish the best for most of you .Even as much as Steve and I battled....I wish him and his, nothing but good health and a happy lives for all.I have learned through his and my back and fourth pm's,over the time spent here,that even though people can have different political views on life,decent people are decent people and that helping others is not and should never be about political choices...
 

Soapweed

Well-known member
nonothing said:
Pig Farmer said:
Kind of seems nono has lost his time slot. I mean using the same time slot just a different loon alias.

Must be privelege time at the jail for ol suck up. Or else recess at the bar.

Why is it a guy like this who was all over OT about false accusations,can now sling them my way.....I have no reason to come on here under a different name..I am hated enough under this one,so why would I bother being another? You are just a loud mouth pig boy with no self pride who has no clue what it means to stand up for anything,including yourself...Just because you pig boy come here under different names,does not mean we all do....

I also,even if i had the knowlegde of Hoppy's true identity,would not divuldge it to the masses...As I believe his family deserves thier privacy and it should not be invaded just cause he is an idiot stalker....I have said for years the man hides behind names and it seems even the young MYT farms has caught hoppy in yet another lie....but you hypocrites will go on siding with a proven liar over and over again...I honestly do not know why you keep giving a loser like him chance after chance after chance...If he was a liberal you all would chastise him for his behavior...

I no longer post here because the fun is gone.Since white wing and buckeye and esp.pig boy showed up,the place has just been smothered with hypocrisy..I was informed that pig boy was claiming me to be this vista person,but since I am not i will expect a aplogoy from pig boy as we all know how he reacted to false accusations....Pig boy even went so far as to claim i was inprisoned...Again hypocrisy at its finest.

I read Vista's remarks and they give no clue to his or her political affliations,and they could in fact be a conservative poster just as much as a liberal one.....I do not agree with he/she threating others with outting them personally,but i understand the disslike they could have towards a person like hoppy ,even if all they did was sit by and watch him stalk members here from postings to postings...

I believe if you ask those like Steve and Soapweed or even Yanuck,they will tell you I can be an ass ,a prick or even at times an ok dude,but one thing I am not,is a guy who needs to hide when it comes to calling out the hoppy's of the world or just plain being a rude and name calling poster here.. I am not proud of every thing I have posted but I have apologized when it was the right thing to do,bitched and moaned when it felt it neccesary or simply name called and swore....I did however do all that under one name here....I have no reason to hide on a fricking political web board....

So pig boy,you can take your own hider names and your new friend hoppy's hider names and cram it where the sun dont shine....

If I have something to say here again,it will be under this name and this name only....Now you all can go back to enjoying the new found calmness of this site,as since it is now is strictly a conservative back slapping zone...

Sorry if I upset those who guessed me to be Vista,but if I was your pick,you better rethink your vote....


Now as much as I dislike some here ,I do wish the best for most of you .Even as much as Steve and I battled....I wish him and his, nothing but good health and a happy lives for all.I have learned through his and my back and fourth pm's,over the time spent here,that even though people can have different political views on life,decent people are decent people and that helping others is not and should never be about political choices...

I will stick up for you, nonothing. You and I don't agree politically on much of anything, but you do have my respect as a person. You come on as only one person (which in itself is very important, in my book). When you are wrong, you have the class and integrity to apologize. Others on here who sometimes would greatly further their credibility and have been asked to apologize, don't have the integrity to do so.

There is no need for anyone to use more than one identity. It cheapens anything they try to stand for, and if they think it isn't noticed and taken into consideration, they are wrong.

On the other hand, Vista has to use more than one identity because he keeps getting kicked off the board. This person has many aliases, but his last frequently used handle was Guest1. He has also been known as Nebrusker, Hat, Work hard study hard, as well as others before moderators have kicked him off. I think this person is basically a good person, as well as a decent cattle producer. He just enjoys seeing how far he can stretch the rope before it breaks once again. Vista has the potential to be a respected contributor of ranch information if he didn't have this overriding desire to see how far he can bend the rules of respectability.
 

Soapweed

Well-known member
Vista said:
Soapweed said:
nonothing said:
Why is it a guy like this who was all over OT about false accusations,can now sling them my way.....I have no reason to come on here under a different name..I am hated enough under this one,so why would I bother being another? You are just a loud mouth pig boy with no self pride who has no clue what it means to stand up for anything,including yourself...Just because you pig boy come here under different names,does not mean we all do....

I also,even if i had the knowlegde of Hoppy's true identity,would not divuldge it to the masses...As I believe his family deserves thier privacy and it should not be invaded just cause he is an idiot stalker....I have said for years the man hides behind names and it seems even the young MYT farms has caught hoppy in yet another lie....but you hypocrites will go on siding with a proven liar over and over again...I honestly do not know why you keep giving a loser like him chance after chance after chance...If he was a liberal you all would chastise him for his behavior...

I no longer post here because the fun is gone.Since white wing and buckeye and esp.pig boy showed up,the place has just been smothered with hypocrisy..I was informed that pig boy was claiming me to be this vista person,but since I am not i will expect a aplogoy from pig boy as we all know how he reacted to false accusations....Pig boy even went so far as to claim i was inprisoned...Again hypocrisy at its finest.

I read Vista's remarks and they give no clue to his or her political affliations,and they could in fact be a conservative poster just as much as a liberal one.....I do not agree with he/she threating others with outting them personally,but i understand the disslike they could have towards a person like hoppy ,even if all they did was sit by and watch him stalk members here from postings to postings...

I believe if you ask those like Steve and Soapweed or even Yanuck,they will tell you I can be an ass ,a prick or even at times an ok dude,but one thing I am not,is a guy who needs to hide when it comes to calling out the hoppy's of the world or just plain being a rude and name calling poster here.. I am not proud of every thing I have posted but I have apologized when it was the right thing to do,bitched and moaned when it felt it neccesary or simply name called and swore....I did however do all that under one name here....I have no reason to hide on a fricking political web board....

So pig boy,you can take your own hider names and your new friend hoppy's hider names and cram it where the sun dont shine....

If I have something to say here again,it will be under this name and this name only....Now you all can go back to enjoying the new found calmness of this site,as since it is now is strictly a conservative back slapping zone...

Sorry if I upset those who guessed me to be Vista,but if I was your pick,you better rethink your vote....


Now as much as I dislike some here ,I do wish the best for most of you .Even as much as Steve and I battled....I wish him and his, nothing but good health and a happy lives for all.I have learned through his and my back and fourth pm's,over the time spent here,that even though people can have different political views on life,decent people are decent people and that helping others is not and should never be about political choices...

I will stick up for you, nonothing. You and I don't agree politically on much of anything, but you do have my respect as a person. You come on as only one person (which in itself is very important, in my book). When you are wrong, you have the class and integrity to apologize. Others on here who sometimes would greatly further their credibility and have been asked to apologize, don't have the integrity to do so.

There is no need for anyone to use more than one identity. It cheapens anything they try to stand for, and if they think it isn't noticed and taken into consideration, they are wrong.

On the other hand, Vista has to use more than one identity because he keeps getting kicked off the board. This person has many aliases, but his last frequently used handle was Guest1. He has also been known as Nebrusker, Hat, Work hard study hard, as well as others before moderators have kicked him off. I think this person is basically a good person, as well as a decent cattle producer. He just enjoys seeing how far he can stretch the rope before it breaks once again. Vista has the potential to be a respected contributor of ranch information if he didn't have this overriding desire to see how far he can bend the rules of respectability.


Soap ol' boy.....it seems here that you are the King of Ranchers....and I'd LOVE to tell you that you are right on here and give you something ELSE to puff out your expansive chest....................BUT...........................


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

it seems you can't track a damn wounded elephant in the snow!!!!


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Vista, I am not the king of anything. Besides it isn't my chest that is expansive--my chest fell into my drawers a long time ago. I have reached that metallic old age where there is gold in my teeth, silver in my hair, and lead in my britches. :wink:
 

jigs

Well-known member
Vista said:
PUBLIC INFORMATION POSTED ON THE INTERNET.....is not stalking. It the equal to the phone book you moron....


You lonesome...want someone to follow you around?

Ck with White Wing...seems he needs a new date since his dog went sour on him.

does this smell like Kola to anyone else?
 

Yanuck

Well-known member
jigs said:
Vista said:
PUBLIC INFORMATION POSTED ON THE INTERNET.....is not stalking. It the equal to the phone book you moron....


You lonesome...want someone to follow you around?

Ck with White Wing...seems he needs a new date since his dog went sour on him.

does this smell like Kola to anyone else?


DING DING DING.....Jigs is the winner folks....
 
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Anonymous

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Yanuck said:
jigs said:
Vista said:
PUBLIC INFORMATION POSTED ON THE INTERNET.....is not stalking. It the equal to the phone book you moron....


You lonesome...want someone to follow you around?

Ck with White Wing...seems he needs a new date since his dog went sour on him.

does this smell like Kola to anyone else?


DING DING DING.....Jigs is the winner folks....





kola wrote

Obama even gets a white evangelical preacher.....one of " your" type...and you can't be pleased with that even.

You are hopeless.

Someone kisses your arse and gives you what you want and you're STILL not happy.


Sure seems like birds of a feather. lulu/kola/vista now there is a trio.
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
jigs said:
Vista said:
PUBLIC INFORMATION POSTED ON THE INTERNET.....is not stalking. It the equal to the phone book you moron....


You lonesome...want someone to follow you around?

Ck with White Wing...seems he needs a new date since his dog went sour on him.

does this smell like Kola to anyone else?

Wow, getting dissed by someone I don´t think I´ve ever even crossed swords with. There surely are some close-minded folks out there.
 

Buckeye

Well-known member
nonothing said:
I no longer post here because the fun is gone.Since white wing and buckeye and esp.pig boy showed up,the place has just been smothered with hypocrisy..
What hypocrisy have I smothered upon this place?

Specifics, we need specifics. Put up or shut up. Specifics.
 
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