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A suspicious death?

Disagreeable

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Ken Lay had been convicted. He was going to jail, or maybe cut a deal. He knew where the bodies were buried in the relationship between the Bush Administation and the oil companies. Would he have talked? Now he's dead....at 64. Such a shame.

Link below.

"Enron Corp. founder Kenneth Lay, who was convicted of helping perpetuate one of the most sprawling business frauds in U.S. history, died Wednesday of a heart attack in Colorado. He was 64."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060705/ap_on_bi_ge/obit_lay;_ylt=Ag90KDtd8eFQNJwTZmotZWIkkKQB;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
 

the chief

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HOUSTON (AP) - Enron Corp. founder Kenneth Lay, who was convicted of helping perpetuate one of the most sprawling business frauds in U.S. history, died Wednesday of a heart attack in Colorado. He was 64.
Lay led Enron's meteoric rise from a staid natural gas pipeline company formed by a 1985 merger to an energy and trading conglomerate that reached No. 7 on the Fortune 500 in 2000 and claimed $101 billion in annual revenues. He traveled in the highest business and political circles.

For many years, his corporation was the single biggest contributor to President Bush, who nicknamed him "Kenny Boy."

Lay was convicted May 25 along with former Enron CEO Jeffrey Skilling of defrauding investors and employees by repeatedly lying about Enron's financial strength in the months before the company plummeted into bankruptcy protection in December 2001. Lay was also convicted in a separate non-jury trial of bank fraud and making false statements to banks, charges related to his personal finances.

Prosecutors in Lay's trial declined comment Wednesday, both on his unexpected death and what may become of the government's effort to seek a $43.5 million judgment from Lay that they say he pocketed as part of the conspiracy.

Burt Palmer, the church's executive pastor, told The Associated Press that the Lays attended church in Houston on Sunday. "The church continues to love them and help them walk through this difficult time."

I guess going to church doesn't mean you will live like Jesus did. :!:
 

kolanuraven

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I guess this is what stress can do to ya!!!

I had a stalker/attacker that stalked me for over 17 yrs and every day I wished him dead. This was WAY before allt he stalking laws we have now. So he fell over dead one day at the age of 38...and I told people that it took me 17 yrs but I finally got him!!!

So maybe all those bad wishes from Enron employees who lost EVERYTHING caught up with the ol' boy!!!
 

Mike

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"Ken Lay played golf with Bill Clinton. Clinton helped Ken Lay get a $3 billion power plant project in India for Enron. Four days before the deal went through, Enron gave $100,000 to the Democratic party."

Maybe Ken Lay should be added to the "Clinton Death List".
 

Disagreeable

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Mike said:
"Ken Lay played golf with Bill Clinton. Clinton helped Ken Lay get a $3 billion power plant project in India for Enron. Four days before the deal went through, Enron gave $100,000 to the Democratic party."

Maybe Ken Lay should be added to the "Clinton Death List".

You never disappoint, Mike. "Clinton, Clinton, Clinton." Whenever George is caught with his hand in the cookie jar, you bring up Bill Clinton as someone George should be compared to! And, no link, of course. ROTFLMAO!
 

Mike

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Disagreeable said:
Mike said:
"Ken Lay played golf with Bill Clinton. Clinton helped Ken Lay get a $3 billion power plant project in India for Enron. Four days before the deal went through, Enron gave $100,000 to the Democratic party."

Maybe Ken Lay should be added to the "Clinton Death List".

There you go again, making stuff up. Where's the link?

Every other time you have accused me of making stuff up I provided the links.

This time I say KMA and look it up yourself! I ain't your gopher.
 

Disagreeable

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Mike said:
Disagreeable said:
Mike said:
"Ken Lay played golf with Bill Clinton. Clinton helped Ken Lay get a $3 billion power plant project in India for Enron. Four days before the deal went through, Enron gave $100,000 to the Democratic party."

Maybe Ken Lay should be added to the "Clinton Death List".

There you go again, making stuff up. Where's the link?

Every other time you have accused me of making stuff up I provided the links.

This time I say KMA and look it up yourself! I ain't your gopher.

You made the claim; back it up. Funniest thing, when I do a Google search for that quote, it's nowhere to be found on the web! :shock: We know that the President of the US, any of them, doesn't give away power plant contracts. There's Congress to be consulted and much of Clinton's term that was a Republican Congress. But you don't want to talk about that.
 

Mike

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TV’s Double Standard: Networks Push Bush’s Links While Downplaying Clinton’s Favors For Enron

Dancing Around Bill Clinton’s Enron Deals

The three broadcast networks’ evening newscasts — the ones that shrugged their shoulders over Whitewater because it was a complicated business story with a lot of numbers — have pumped out 198 Enron stories since January 9 without any evident boredom. Enron’s bankruptcy seems actually to excite reporters like CBS’s Bob Schieffer who champion it as a parable about money and politics.

"Reformers say embarrassment over the nearly $6 million that Enron has lavished on Congress may be what it finally takes to force [campaign finance] reform," Schieffer exulted on the February 13 CBS Evening News, inadvertently explaining his network’s above average focus on Enron (71 stories on Evening News, 10 percent more than World News Tonight’s 64 and NBC Nightly News’s 63).

But even as they use the plight of Enron shareholders to lecture about the corrupting nature of campaign dollars, the networks have shown a double standard. While trumpeting the GOP’s ties to the bankrupt energy firm, the Big Three have been muted about the benefits Enron bestowed upon former President Bill Clinton and the assistance the company received during his eight years. Indeed, only six of those 198 stories (3%) hinted at Clinton’s Enron connection, even as the evidence builds:

-- Lots of Enron money found its way to Clinton’s accounts. "During the Clinton years, Enron contributed more than $1 million to the Democratic Party, including $600,000 to the Democratic National Committee," the Washington Times’s Patrice Hill recounted on February 21. That’s not as much soft money as was given to the GOP (more than $2 million), but it’s more than enough to get corporate chiefs the "access and influence" that self-appointed reformers find so revolting.

-- Clinton’s administration loaned taxpayer money for Enron deals. Back in the ‘90s, Clinton officials boasted of a foreign policy which focused on getting deals for select U.S. businesses, including Enron. (See box.) Now bad deals, like Enron’s worthless power plant in Dabhol, India, are plaguing taxpayers. Two federal agencies — the Overseas Private Investment Corporation and the Export-Import Bank loaned campaign contributor Enron $1.2 billion during the Clinton years, most of which ($964 million) Enron hasn’t paid back yet, according to a February 21 New York Times story.

-- Former Clinton officials pleaded Enron’s case. Clinton’s chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, Elizabeth Moler, joined Enron’s payroll as an anti-regulation lobbyist in 1999. That same year, former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin turned down a seat on Enron’s board, but he called Bush officials on Enron’s behalf last November as the company’s financial woes mounted. Treasury under-secretary Peter Fisher turned Rubin down.

-- Network coverage: Rubin’s role was a secret on ABC and CBS, although NBC mentioned it on January 12, and no newscast covered Moler’s trip through the revolving door. Only CBS’s Bill Plante on January 18 and NBC’s Lisa Myers on February 25 detailed Clinton’s use of tax money to back the Dabhol plant, while ABC’s Jackie Judd (January 14) merely mentioned Enron’s access "to overseas trips with the Clinton administration." As for campaign money, only Plante, Myers, CBS’s John Roberts (January 11) and ABC’s Linda Douglass (January 10) mentioned Enron’s Democratic donations, although Douglass — too busy documenting Bush’s ties to Enron — limited herself to a single sentence.

By their own standards, the networks should be salivating at the combination of soft money, rewards for the company and bad deals for taxpayers. Why aren’t they interested in the details of Clinton’s deals with Enron? -- Rich Noyes
 

Disagreeable

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Still no link; still no verification of the quote you posted. Maybe you got it from one of Ann Coulter's columns. Or maybe you just made it up? ROTFLMAO! "Clinton, Clinton, Clinton" won't take the public's attention away from record Federal deficits, an unnecessary war in Iraq, Ken Lay's sudden death, torture of prisoners, high gas prices, inflation, rising interest rates, millions of dollars lost after Katrina, to name a few. These all happened on Bush's watch! :lol:
 

Liberty Belle

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Here's some links for you dis. We'll expect a detailed rebuttal of all these stories and make it snappy. With posted links, of course.

I note you still have some rear end to giggle off. Must have been pretty doggoned big to start with, huh? :twisted:

http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2002/fax20020305.asp

http://www.pacificresearch.org/press/com/2002/ibd_02-01-17.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/enronintellibridge.html

http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/A814_0_2_0_C/

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26159

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26425

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26112

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26028

http://www.spectacle.org/0902/evan.html

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/4/23/133051.shtml

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/1/28/155951.shtml
 

Faster horses

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Kuddos, Mike and Liberty Belle.

I always love "the rest of the story."

You certainly won't get it from dis.


She has gotten completely ridiculous.
 

memanpa

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do you really think DIS has time to respond to this? are you out of your mind?
DIS is too busy finding hate and DIS content by cutting and pasteing DIScoveries she has made while surfing the internet looking for ways to stir up folks to make a concetrated effort to truly be a productive LIBERAL or as a matter of fact to be a productive human being!
 

Disagreeable

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Of course I'm going to respond to it. It's too funny to pass up. Mike put out a quote "Ken Lay played golf with Bill Clinton. Clinton helped Ken Lay get a $3 billion power plant project in India for Enron. Four days before the deal went through, Enron gave $100,000 to the Democratic party."

I challenged him for a link. He blustered, postured and called names, but didn't give me a link. When I did a search for the quote on the net, I didn't find it. So he gave me another long article (without a link) bashing Clinton that had nothing to do with his quote.

Now Ms Ding Dong has jumped in with a long list of links. Do any of them contain the quote that Mike posted? I doubt it. It's sooooo funny! :lol:

Bottom line: Mike put out a quote that he can't or won't substantiate. Now he and Ms Ding Dong are trying to change the subject. :lol:
 
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I had a chance to talk with a fella today that used to be employed for an Enron owned company- that had lost a major portion of his retirement with Lays fraudulent activities...He did not show a great deal of sympathy- in fact commented about how he hopes the man is now getting a "warm" reception for his final punishment :wink: :lol:
 

Disagreeable

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Oldtimer said:
I had a chance to talk with a fella today that used to be employed for an Enron owned company- that had lost a major portion of his retirement with Lays fraudulent activities...He did not show a great deal of sympathy- in fact commented about how he hopes the man is now getting a "warm" reception for his final punishment :wink: :lol:

I have several friends and relatives who will be working more years than they had planned because they lost their pensions and savings.

Have you been following the Tester/Burns debates? What do you think?
 

Liberty Belle

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disagreeable: Of course I'm going to respond to it. It's too funny to pass up. Mike put out a quote "Ken Lay played golf with Bill Clinton. Clinton helped Ken Lay get a $3 billion power plant project in India for Enron. Four days before the deal went through, Enron gave $100,000 to the Democratic party."

I challenged him for a link. He blustered, postured and called names, but didn't give me a link. When I did a search for the quote on the net, I didn't find it. So he gave me another long article (without a link) bashing Clinton that had nothing to do with his quote.
Awww, dis, whatever would we do without an idiot like you on this board to play with? Promise you’ll never get mad and leave?

Remember when you said this?

disagreeable: You made the claim; back it up. Funniest thing, when I do a Google search for that quote, it's nowhere to be found on the web! We know that the President of the US, any of them, doesn't give away power plant contracts. There's Congress to be consulted and much of Clinton's term that was a Republican Congress. But you don't want to talk about that.
Did quite a Google search there, didn’t you? I also googled it and found Mike’s article immediately. Do you understand the meaning of the word incompetent?
disagreeable: Now Ms Ding Dong has jumped in with a long list of links. Do any of them contain the quote that Mike posted? I doubt it. It's sooooo funny!
Now take a couple deep breaths and bear with me while I post this link for you again since you obviously didn’t check it when I posted the link to Mike’s story before.
http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2002/fax20020305.asp

disagreeable: Bottom line: Mike put out a quote that he can't or won't substantiate. Now he and Ms Ding Dong are trying to change the subject.
Who’s trying to change the subject?

And who is it that refuses to answer this?:
Here's some links for you dis. We'll expect a detailed rebuttal of all these stories and make it snappy. With posted links, of course.

I note you still have some rear end to giggle off. Must have been pretty doggoned big to start with, huh?
 

Disagreeable

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Liberty Belle said:
disagreeable: Of course I'm going to respond to it. It's too funny to pass up. Mike put out a quote "Ken Lay played golf with Bill Clinton. Clinton helped Ken Lay get a $3 billion power plant project in India for Enron. Four days before the deal went through, Enron gave $100,000 to the Democratic party."

I challenged him for a link. He blustered, postured and called names, but didn't give me a link. When I did a search for the quote on the net, I didn't find it. So he gave me another long article (without a link) bashing Clinton that had nothing to do with his quote.
Awww, dis, whatever would we do without an idiot like you on this board to play with? Promise you’ll never get mad and leave?

Remember when you said this?

disagreeable: You made the claim; back it up. Funniest thing, when I do a Google search for that quote, it's nowhere to be found on the web! We know that the President of the US, any of them, doesn't give away power plant contracts. There's Congress to be consulted and much of Clinton's term that was a Republican Congress. But you don't want to talk about that.
Did quite a Google search there, didn’t you? I also googled it and found Mike’s article immediately. Do you understand the meaning of the word incompetent?
disagreeable: Now Ms Ding Dong has jumped in with a long list of links. Do any of them contain the quote that Mike posted? I doubt it. It's sooooo funny!
Now take a couple deep breaths and bear with me while I post this link for you again since you obviously didn’t check it when I posted the link to Mike’s story before.
http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2002/fax20020305.asp

disagreeable: Bottom line: Mike put out a quote that he can't or won't substantiate. Now he and Ms Ding Dong are trying to change the subject.
Who’s trying to change the subject?

And who is it that refuses to answer this?:
Here's some links for you dis. We'll expect a detailed rebuttal of all these stories and make it snappy. With posted links, of course.

I note you still have some rear end to giggle off. Must have been pretty doggoned big to start with, huh?

:D The link you posted
http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2002/fax20020305.asp

does not have the quote that Mike posted. ROTFLMAO! You'e simply trying to change the subject! Now it does have this little bit of info (my emphasis):

"-- Lots of Enron money found its way to Clinton’s accounts. "During the Clinton years, Enron contributed more than $1 million to the Democratic Party, including $600,000 to the Democratic National Committee," the Washington Times’s Patrice Hill recounted on February 21. That’s not as much soft money as was given to the GOP (more than $2 million), but it’s more than enough to get corporate chiefs the "access and influence" that self-appointed reformers find so revolting."

If you think I'm going to waste my time rebutting Clinton stories, you're dumber than I think. :roll: Clinton is not in office. I know that's hard for you to take, since he's not avilable for scrapegoating.

Spin all you want. Mike is still standing there with his pants around his ankles and it's not a pretty sight. :lol:
 

memanpa

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If you think I'm going to waste my time rebutting Clinton stories, you're dumber than I think. Clinton is not in office. I know that's hard for you to take, since he's not avilable for scrapegoating.

Spin all you want. Mike is still standing there with his pants around his ankles and it's not a pretty sight.

DIS content are your eyes brown like the cap you are full of :D
 
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