Sandhusker
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You folks are reminding me why I am a registered Independent. :wink: Too many politicians and not enough statesmen.
On Tuesday, Douglas R. Forrester, a wealthy Republican businessman, was soundly defeated by Senator Jon S. Corzine, a wealthy Democrat and a former chairman of Goldman Sachs, 44 percent to 53 percent.
Sandhusker said:You folks are reminding me why I am a registered Independent. :wink: Too many politicians and not enough statesmen.
And it's a shame that we can't have a fun and spirited and open debate.
Largely rural Virginia has been a traditional Republican stronghold, but Democratic Gov. Mark Warner (search) was able to wrest the political tide in his favor four years ago and maintains high approval ratings. Virginia law does not allow consecutive terms for the seat of governor, so Warner has thrown his formidable support behind his lieutenant governor, Tim Kaine
Kilgore faced a "difficult road," given the fact that the commonwealth currently has a "popular Democrat governor with high approval numbers."
Who has been excusing illegal and endangering acts? No one I can see on this board. I wish you really WOULD "tell it like it is".R2:Illegal is illegal. I know you know more than I do about cattle and ranches and many many things but excusing illegal and endangering acts by your highest officials is foolish and I tell it like it is.
We do know what that means, do you? Again, you are making the mistake of thinking that we are only capable of reading and deciphering ag magazines and trade journals. Some of us even read and understand the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post and the New York Times, evidently much better than you do. Kindly list the names of ANY ONE in the Bush administration charged with disclosing classified material, although I am a news junky, I must have missed reading about those indictments.R2: I'm serious. Go learn about what it means to have a security clearance and the responsibility your officials have to guard classified information and the repercussions for disclosing classified material.
I wholeheartedly agree.R2:I was not knocking Conservatives whatsoever. I was saying that NOTHING excuses illegal activities -- by Democrats or Republicans, liberals or conservatives.
If you have read any of my posts on here you should know that I am very concerned about these issues and have been through every administration since I've been old enough to be aware of what is happening, not only in Washington, but in our state capitol. I would also note that any spending bills must come from the House of Representatives, not the White House, and all must be passed into law by both houses of Congress before the president gets a chance to sign or veto. The blame for the high deficit can be laid at the feet of every politician, Democrat or Republican, who voted for all that pork in an effort to buy votes from the voters in their districts.R2:True conservatives should be very concerned about the deficit and the level of government interference in states' rights and individuals' rights. Turn on the television, read the newspapers.
And would you give our enemies a time table for withdrawal so all they need do is lay low and wait us out? That would be incredibly foolhardy.R2:There's a national debate about us needing a plan to turn Iraq over to the Iraqis and draw down our human and economic investment.
I worship only one God and, as much as I like the guy, GW isn't Him. Politicians are human, at least most of them are, and as such, they have faults and failings just like the rest of us.R2:What I object to is blind worship of GW, just as I objected to blind worship of Clinton. Your politicians are NOT statesmen with a few exceptions and they are both overly politically and in some cases fairly flawed.
Soapweed said:Sandhusker said:You folks are reminding me why I am a registered Independent. :wink: Too many politicians and not enough statesmen.
Isn't the Chinese word for "Independent" wishee-washee? :wink:
I would also note that any spending bills must come from the House of Representatives, not the White House, and all must be passed into law by both houses of Congress before the president gets a chance to sign or veto. The blame for the high deficit can be laid at the feet of every politician, Democrat or Republican, who voted for all that pork in an effort to buy votes from the voters in their districts.
A Democratic President and divided Senate paid off the huge Federal deficit that George Bush I left this country.
Mike there is an ENORMOUS difference between 5.7 TRILLION and 8 TRILLION.Mike said:A Democratic President and divided Senate paid off the huge Federal deficit that George Bush I left this country.
That's funny. Take a look and see if the deficit was paid during the Clinton years:
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm