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Abortion

Jinglebob

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Would someone please explain the difference from murdering a child that has just been born and one that is still months or hours away from being born?

When is is OK to kill a child?
 

theHiredMansWife

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Did you know abortion is now down to the rate it was in about 1976? That's according to a pro-life website, btw.

Somewhere between '85 and '90 was the peak and it's been a steady decline since then. Even though they're legal.
Education makes the difference.

Take away the right and people dig in their heels. It has become a confrontation.
Or keep chiseling away with information, stories, pictures... Shock might work for some, but it seems like the gentler stuff like an ultra-sound of a thumb sucker works best.
That's a baby. A real person...

On the subject, sort of, has anyone read The Atonement Child? Excellent book.
 

the chief

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When is is OK to kill a child?


My opinion, (and please realize it is JUST MY opinion), is soon after the mother is brutally raped, gangraped, or brutalized by a family member.

I know many will disagree and call me many names, but I am entitled to my opinion. Veterans gave me the right to speak my piece and carry a gun. Call me names if you wish, but I will not return that favor for you.

Have a good day, what's left of it.
 

Disagreeable

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Jinglebob said:
Would someone please explain the difference from murdering a child that has just been born and one that is still months or hours away from being born?

When is is OK to kill a child?

It's never ok to kill a child. Until the fetus is viable and can live on it's own, it is a part of a woman's body. It's her body; she can do any legal thing she wants with it, just like you can do what you want with your body.

And what she does with her body is simply none of your business. This South Dakota law provides no penalty at all for a woman getting an abortion. A mother's first responsibility, imo, is defending her child. If the people of SD really believed a six week old fetus was a human being, they'd have made the penalty for an abortion in SD the same as murder. They didn't. That tells me they don't actually believe it.
 

Disagreeable

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the chief said:
When is is OK to kill a child?


My opinion, (and please realize it is JUST MY opinion), is soon after the mother is brutally raped, gangraped, or brutalized by a family member.

I know many will disagree and call me many names, but I am entitled to my opinion. Veterans gave me the right to speak my piece and carry a gun. Call me names if you wish, but I will not return that favor for you.

Have a good day, what's left of it.

If you believe a six week old fetus is a living human being, what difference does it make that it's the result of rape or incest? It's not the baby's fault, so why should it be killed just because it's mom chose to work late and get caught in the parking garage by some rapist? The SD law makes it very clear where females stand in that state. They're second class citizens if they happen to get pregnant.
 

theHiredMansWife

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There's no difference to me.

but the problem with making it illegal is that it's just going to be illegal. Nothing else really changes.
There have been abortions since the dawn of time and there will always be. Legal or illegal really doesn't change that.
People always talk about back-alley abortions, but a lot of times it was just a "medically necessary" procedure performed by a doctor in a hospital. And really, that's a fairly subjective judgement. Doctors don't even agree on the best way to treat a sinus infection, there's really no way to definitively determine what would be a "medically necessary" procedure and what wouldn't.

BTW, you'll find the vast majority of people, pro-choice included, don't support late-term abortions.
 

nonothing

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just ask yourself what would jesus do.......but remeber like me jesus is a liberal........he cares about others not just himself..........and bring back Clinton .......now that man was a awesome leader .....
 

Red Robin

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Disagreeable said:
the chief said:
When is is OK to kill a child?


My opinion, (and please realize it is JUST MY opinion), is soon after the mother is brutally raped, gangraped, or brutalized by a family member.

I know many will disagree and call me many names, but I am entitled to my opinion. Veterans gave me the right to speak my piece and carry a gun. Call me names if you wish, but I will not return that favor for you.

Have a good day, what's left of it.

If you believe a six week old fetus is a living human being, what difference does it make that it's the result of rape or incest? It's not the baby's fault, so why should it be killed just because it's mom chose to work late and get caught in the parking garage by some rapist? The SD law makes it very clear where females stand in that state. They're second class citizens if they happen to get pregnant.
Your statement would carry more weight if all the babies were male , they aren't . You prodeath people ignore the rights of the female babies . Who is protecting these women miss womans rights?
 

Red Robin

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Disagreeable said:
Jinglebob said:
Would someone please explain the difference from murdering a child that has just been born and one that is still months or hours away from being born?

When is is OK to kill a child?

It's never ok to kill a child. Until the fetus is viable and can live on it's own, it is a part of a woman's body. It's her body; she can do any legal thing she wants with it, just like you can do what you want with your body.

And what she does with her body is simply none of your business. This South Dakota law provides no penalty at all for a woman getting an abortion. A mother's first responsibility, imo, is defending her child. If the people of SD really believed a six week old fetus was a human being, they'd have made the penalty for an abortion in SD the same as murder. They didn't. That tells me they don't actually believe it.
If it's only her body why do we try a murder for two murders when he kills a pregnant woman...even before the babie is viable outside the mothers womb????? Secondly what does viability have to do with it? Is a 2 year old viable or does he need the care of others? How about a retarted person? Would you also kill all these or do they not inconvience the mother enough? Have you a scale of viability that we can go by. You are a hypocrite Dis .
 

Red Robin

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reader (the Second) said:
Red Robin said:
Disagreeable said:
It's never ok to kill a child. Until the fetus is viable and can live on it's own, it is a part of a woman's body. It's her body; she can do any legal thing she wants with it, just like you can do what you want with your body.

And what she does with her body is simply none of your business. This South Dakota law provides no penalty at all for a woman getting an abortion. A mother's first responsibility, imo, is defending her child. If the people of SD really believed a six week old fetus was a human being, they'd have made the penalty for an abortion in SD the same as murder. They didn't. That tells me they don't actually believe it.
If it's only her body why do we try a murder for two murders when he kills a pregnant woman...even before the babie is viable outside the mothers womb????? Secondly what does viability have to do with it? Is a 2 year old viable or does he need the care of others? How about a retarted person? Would you also kill all these or do they not inconvience the mother enough? Have you a scale of viability that we can go by. You are a hypocrite Dis .

RR - even though it is NOT murder in Orthodox Judaism, it is only allowed under certain circumstances but then it is also forbidden to tattoo oneself or to cut off one's arm. You can't be buried in a Jewish cementary with a tattoo. In fact, Judaism is against abortion for convenience (you would agree) but allows it more liberally in the first 40 days, much more restricted after the first 40 days, allows it to save the life of the mother (or mental health), in the case of incest, in the case of a severely damaged fetus (e.g., anacephalic). Since we are speaking of people with a history of thousands of years of interpretation of the laws of the Torah, I feel comfortable in saying it is not considered murder in the Bible... So there is a scale of right and wrong, based on the Bible, including a scale of viability.
The torah isn't the Bible and just because the Jews see it as so , doesn't make it so. The also saw Christ as an imposter yet he fulfilled every prophecy of the Torah.
 

Jinglebob

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A thought just accured to me.

If you were standing at a check out lkine and saw a woman spanking her small child with a stick or any other object that would leave a mark, would you interfere or would you say, "It's her child and came form her body so I guess she has the right to whup him good?"
 

CattleRMe

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Jinglebob said:
Would someone please explain the difference from murdering a child that has just been born and one that is still months or hours away from being born?

When is is OK to kill a child?

When did a woman give up her rights to what goes on with her body?

Why make people who do not want to be parents become them?

It is not ok to kill a child but it's also not ok to make them join a life that they are not wanted. A life where they will be neglected and abused. If every person who did not want their baby would give it to people who would care and love it I would more apt to be against abortion but the fact is they don't.
 

Jinglebob

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Jinglebob said:
Would someone please explain the difference from murdering a child that has just been born and one that is still months or hours away from being born?

No one has answered this question yet.Hmmm, maybe they can't!
:shock:
 

CattleRMe

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Jinglebob said:
A thought just accured to me.

If you were standing at a check out lkine and saw a woman spanking her small child with a stick or any other object that would leave a mark, would you interfere or would you say, "It's her child and came form her body so I guess she has the right to whup him good?"

The problem is Jinglebob most abusers aren't doing it where anyone can report them.

Yes I know I'd step up and do something.

No once a child no longer depends on the mother as a host that child is a seperate person.
 

theHiredMansWife

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Jinglebob said:
Jinglebob said:
Would someone please explain the difference from murdering a child that has just been born and one that is still months or hours away from being born?

No one has answered this question yet.Hmmm, maybe they can't!
:shock:

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I did. On the first page.
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There's no difference to me.
 

Jinglebob

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theHiredMansWife said:
Jinglebob said:
Jinglebob said:
Would someone please explain the difference from murdering a child that has just been born and one that is still months or hours away from being born?

No one has answered this question yet.Hmmm, maybe they can't!
:shock:

:???:
I did. On the first page.
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There's no difference to me.

Sorry, I guess I missed it.

If you see no difference, than how can you justify abortion?

As far as refering to the bible as to whether we should have abortion, I would go by the commandments. "Thou shall not commit murder". And yes, that is what it interprets too. Murder, not killing. When you kill to defend your life, you are not committing murder.
 
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