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Abortion

smalltime

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Here is a question. If you use the same logic that all women have the right to control their own bodies, then doesn't it follow that people should be ablt to use any kind of drug or substance, do illegally dangerous things and the like?
 

Cal

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Every time I think stevec can't come up with something any dumber, he does.

It used to be on the farm that people wanted more babies. Many hands make light work. What caused the change? Why do people fear babies? How did they go from being a blessing to being a burden?

Don't you think the profit on food has something to do with it?
 

Soapweed

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stevec said:
smalltime said:
Here is a question. If you use the same logic that all women have the right to control their own bodies, then doesn't it follow that people should be ablt to use any kind of drug or substance, do illegally dangerous things and the like?

yes, it does follow.

Legal drugs are as profitable as illegal drugs, and vice-versa.

I think the government can help people, but it cannot control people until they are doing "dangerous things" to others. In other words, what is a crime? That principal needs to be established first.

For many years slavery was legal, now slavery is a crime. The issue needs to be more than what is legal/illegal, but rather what is right. "Right" has two levels, personal and public. Slavery was not "right" even when it was legal. The same is true of abortion. However, abortion, at least in some stages of growth, is not infanticide. To say that an acorn is a tree is incorrect. An acorn has the potential to be a tree, and "potential" is the slippery slope, because potential can be applied to anything. It is an invented future, just as fear is an invented future: it is a prediction of events. The slippery slope being that people are being penalized for what "might" occur, rather than for what did occur in the present. (kinda like giving tickets for speeding or not stopping "completely" at a red light.)

At the point where the State has control of the woman's body, where does the line stop? Is she allowed to drive after three months? Is she guilty of child abuse if she drinks a beer? Is she torturing her child if she eats spicy foods? Most, but not all, cows care for their calves. Are humans so different? Whatever drives a woman to abortion is usually fear disguised as something else (love, commonsense, peer pressure, etc.) A law cannot address people's emotional state, it can only control what is criminal. The more the law tries to enforce a perfect state, the more emotional distress it causes.

The sad, and great, irony is that small-government believers in virtue are willing to recreate Prohibition all over again, which can only create big government and the end of virtue, since it teaches that everyone is someone elses master.

The one flaw in your arguement is that an acorn cannot be compared to a human fetus. An acorn is like the egg of a woman, which has not as yet joined (or germinated) with the soil, which is like the sperm of a man. An acorn, by itself, is not a baby tree. The egg of a woman, by itself, is not a baby human.
 

Red Robin

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stevec said:
I think the government can help people, but it cannot control people until they are doing "dangerous things" to others. In other words, what is a crime? That principal needs to be established first.
I think if you were laying on a white towel all twisted and bloody and dead, you'd think murder is harmful to people and that it is a "dangerous thing to others". Is there an emoticon that I can post shaking my head in disgust?
 

Steve

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While Most find Abortion appalling, many can not decide when to allow them and when it is for the best.....

as the person who stated in a post found she had a dislike for poor children and would just abort them so they could aviod being neglected......until one talked back......


so with out condemning a potential child and destroying hope....


so I ask at what point.......

Abstinance..GOD said go forth and multiply.....thus even at this point one is in disobediance.....


Birth control, condoms, pill,,ect...stop the conception......and baby.....yet by most is considered responsible....


The Morning after pill, and DC are both "birth control" after the fact.(or act)..but still not before conception "might" have occured.....

these methods done for many reasons is a responsible acceptable way to not get pregnant.....

If every person could get to this point, then Discussion could begin about Abortion,,,but many never will even accept the preventive measures.....let alone use them.....

I would accept a "responsible" solution.....
 

Martin Jr.

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Any Pro-Life organization that I have been involved in is strong in educating and helping the mother to make the right decision and to get counseling. Abortion never helps the woman.
And by the way, the Declaration of Independence says " these rights are self evident, (the natural law) that among these rights are the right to life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness" Happiness itself is not a right, just the right to pursue happiness. Lasting happiness from worldly things is elusive, money, power, etc. doesn't necessarly give happiness. Abortion does not give lasting happiness. And of course war does not bring happiness, but we hope it can bring some Liberty for some who have not had that right.
 

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