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About that all volunteer Army

Disagreeable

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Link below; my emphasis.

"The Army Reserve, taxed by recruiting shortfalls and war-zone duty, has adopted a policy barring officers from leaving the service if their field is undermanned or they have not been deployed to Iraq, to Afghanistan or for homeland defense missions.
The reserve has used the unpublicized policy, first adopted in 2004 and strengthened in a May 2005 memo signed by Lt. Gen. James R. Helmly, its commander, to disapprove the resignations of at least 400 reserve officers, according to Army figures.
"I don't think during a time of war you would want to let people go when you have a shortage of people," Army Reserve spokesman Steve Stromvall said when asked to comment on the memo, which surfaced during litigation over the policy. At least 10 reserve officers have sued the Army, saying they should be allowed to get out because they have finished their mandatory eight years of service.
Blocking reserve officers' resignations is one of several steps the Army has undertaken in recent years to keep soldiers beyond their original terms of service, as today's wars place unprecedented demands on the all-volunteer force. Under another practice, known as "stop-loss," thousands of active-duty Army and reserve soldiers have been temporarily prevented from leaving the military, either because their skills were needed or because their units were going overseas. As of January, more than 13,000 soldiers were being kept in the service under stop-loss, a policy criticized by some as a "backdoor draft," which the Army says it seeks to end.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/10/AR2006051002061.html
 

Cowpuncher

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Do you know the difference between and officer and an enlisted person?

A regular officer is basically an officer indefinitely.

Officers in the reserve have a pretty good deal until they are called up for duty.

My daughter in law is a regular Navy Officer who left active duty to take care of their three children. My son is a Marine Officer.

Daughter-in-law was called up in 2003 when in Iraq war started and served about 6 months on active duty. Without one word of complaint!!

What have you ever done for your country, Dis??? Whine about Bush?
 

Disagreeable

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A regular officer can ask to resign his commission. That's always been his right. The problem is, since the invasion of Iraq, some officers asked after eight years service, but the Army refused their request. There's a court case ongoing. We'll see what the courts say. I believe these people would serve willingly if they felt their country was at risk. It isn't, never was, at risk from Iraq. Bush's invasion of Iraq has done serious, long lasting harm to our Army. So far the Air Force and Navy have escaped much damage. But they're training more people to help the Army on the ground in Iraq. As word of that gets out, I don't doubt their recruiting will drop off, too.

Your DIL served six months. Great. How would she feel if she was still serving, three years into the war? Some are and they have no chance of being released from duty under this current program.

The comments made on this board that we have an "all volunteer military" are wrong. We used to have an all volunteer, but not since Bush chose to invade Iraq.
 

Cowpuncher

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Disagreeable wrote:
Your DIL served six months. Great. How would she feel if she was still serving, three years into the war? Some are and they have no chance of being released from duty under this current program.

My DIL has 14 years of active duty and 2 years of reserve duty when she was called up.

How about your service, Dis? Do you get credit for whining, complaining and belittleing our nation?
 

Broke Cowboy

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Disagreeable said:
A regular officer can ask to resign his commission. That's always been his right. The problem is, since the invasion of Iraq, some officers asked after eight years service, but the Army refused their request. There's a court case ongoing. We'll see what the courts say. I believe these people would serve willingly if they felt their country was at risk. It isn't, never was, at risk from Iraq. Bush's invasion of Iraq has done serious, long lasting harm to our Army. So far the Air Force and Navy have escaped much damage. But they're training more people to help the Army on the ground in Iraq. As word of that gets out, I don't doubt their recruiting will drop off, too.

Your DIL served six months. Great. How would she feel if she was still serving, three years into the war? Some are and they have no chance of being released from duty under this current program.

The comments made on this board that we have an "all volunteer military" are wrong. We used to have an all volunteer, but not since Bush chose to invade Iraq.

They can ask - that is correct. They might be turned down. I was - several years ago and that was that. You sign up you basically agree to go where and do what you are told.

Otherwise you best stay at home and suck on Mommies tit. If you do sign up - then be a man or a woman and do your duty. Period.

I never engage you because I believe you to be truly a bad person.

Be glad you live where you do and be glad that there are others who will lay down their lives for you. Be glad you have a government that does not do the things that occur in Ruwanda, China and ... you pick the place.

Only question I have to ask - is there ANYTHING about the U.S. of A., the American people and the American government that you might actually respect or like?

I believe in my heart you are the type of person who would dearly love to see additional terrorist disasters in America - that way you could blame the people of the United States, the government of the United States or perhaps just America in general. After all that seems to be the way of the future.

I hope you never need help on the side of the highway in the middle of winter in North Dakota. Anyone knew who you were you might be left out there to freeze or walk.

I would suspect you would be happy to tell anyone who stoped just how F^&%$king horrible the U.S. of A. actually is! I often wonder how someone like you could actually have been born in America, experienced all of the advantages and yet hate it so much.

In closing - I will repeat - I will not not engage you in further discussion because I believe you to be truly a bad person - in fact the worst kind - a person lacking moral fibre - and I believe you would dearly LOVE to represent the downfall of life in America as we all know it today.

You have certainly never indicated anything to the contrary.

B.C.
 

theHiredMansWife

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comments like that make me wonder if people are actually reading Dis's comments or just what they think she should be saying.

If you were reading her comments, you'd see obvious concern (whether actual or dramatic invention is up to the reader) over our country's path. I've read many patriotic statements, questions, etc. from Dis. I might not agree with all of her points, but it's never crossed my mind that she wishes our country any harm.
(most of her complaints are related to administrative management issues... In light of how many people who still complain about Clinton, that would mean they're really complaining about the US??)

I seem to use this a lot here as people seem to have trouble remembering....

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it. --Edward R. Murrow
 

Broke Cowboy

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theHiredMansWife said:
comments like that make me wonder if people are actually reading Dis's comments or just what they think she should be saying.

If you were reading her comments, you'd see obvious concern (whether actual or dramatic invention is up to the reader) over our country's path. I've read many patriotic statements, questions, etc. from Dis. I might not agree with all of her points, but it's never crossed my mind that she wishes our country any harm.
(most of her complaints are related to administrative management issues... In light of how many people who still complain about Clinton, that would mean they're really complaining about the US??)

I seem to use this a lot here as people seem to have trouble remembering....

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it. --Edward R. Murrow

Hired Man's Wife:

Fancy words do not equal deeds. Tell Mr. Murrow's supporters that. For deeds out do words - I am sure you know that - but many do not. I am alive today because of deeds NOT words.

Thank the Lord that a man named Kim Smith was at my side and not someone like Dis.

You can support this person - but I cannot understand how.

Dis happears to have a black heart and a black tongue - You may not believe it and it is your perogative. But, I do. There may also be a black mind - but I have never been one on one and face to face so I cannot say for sure. This is a person to avoid at all costs as this person will bring you down - at all costs. For there is but one way. The Dis way.

I await your last word - it will be read - but not responded to.

Best thoughts - some in harsh places may need them.

B.C.
 

katrina

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Yessssssssssssss.. Broke Cowboy.......... Bravo!!!!!! Love the passion and a Big Thank You........ :clap: :clap: :clap:
 

Disagreeable

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Broke Cowboy said:
They can ask - that is correct. They might be turned down. I was - several years ago and that was that. You sign up you basically agree to go where and do what you are told.

Otherwise you best stay at home and suck on Mommies tit. If you do sign up - then be a man or a woman and do your duty. Period.

So you're still on duty? Why aren't you in Iraq? What do you think this is going to do (actually is doing) to retention and signing up for the Reserves? If a soldier wants to stay on active duty, he'll stay on active duty. The Reserve plan is to serve part time. Until this ill-advised and planned war, that has never been a problem. Today potential reservists are realizing there has been a major shift in how our government utilizes our Reserves. That's why they haven't met recrutiting goals. And it will only get worse.

I never engage you because I believe you to be truly a bad person.

And I don't give a hoot what you think about me.

Be glad you live where you do and be glad that there are others who will lay down their lives for you. Be glad you have a government that does not do the things that occur in Ruwanda, China and ... you pick the place.

I am glad I live in the USA. I've lived in other countries. No other compares. I want my children and grandchildren to enjoy the same freedoms as I have had. That's why I refuse to be quiet about illegal wiretapping, data mining our personal phone calls, lying to us about WMDs, the list is very long.

Only question I have to ask - is there ANYTHING about the U.S. of A., the American people and the American government that you might actually respect or like?

Obviously you don't read my posts. I love and respect our military. It's the Commander in Chief that I have a problem with.

I believe in my heart you are the type of person who would dearly love to see additional terrorist disasters in America - that way you could blame the people of the United States, the government of the United States or perhaps just America in general. After all that seems to be the way of the future.

You may have a good heart, but your head is sadly lacking if you can continue to support this war. Does it not bother you at all that President Bush knowingly used flawed information to justify the war with Iraq? That he sent our troops off without heavy armor, body armor, undermanned? How can you support someone who has so little respect for our troops?

I hope you never need help on the side of the highway in the middle of winter in North Dakota. Anyone knew who you were you might be left out there to freeze or walk.

I'll bet there are people in North Dakota who agree with me. And I'll bet most of them would help me out, even if they knew my politicial views. Have you noticed how Bush's approval rating is dropping in North Dakota?

I would suspect you would be happy to tell anyone who stoped just how F^&%$king horrible the U.S. of A. actually is! I often wonder how someone like you could actually have been born in America, experienced all of the advantages and yet hate it so much.

The USA is not horrible. It's a wonderful country. I'm very much against selling it to the drug companies, insurance companies, and oil companies as Bush seems set on doing.

In closing - I will repeat - I will not not engage you in further discussion because I believe you to be truly a bad person - in fact the worst kind - a person lacking moral fibre - and I believe you would dearly LOVE to represent the downfall of life in America as we all know it today.

ROTFLMAO! "lacking in moral fibre." You've got to be kidding! When I came on this board I was the only person who spoke against Bush and the Iraqi war. But I knew I was right when I said Americans would turn their back on the war. I stood my ground against half a dozen rude, arrogant, stupid people who joined together against me. And look where we are now! There are people who agree with me. :shock: They're mostly nicer than me, but for the most part, they agree with me. And many of the original people who bashed my posts are gone. I have moral fibre. I'm just not a sheep following the flock. Look at the laws this president has broken. Look how he's ignoring the Consititution. He's the person who's trying to take away our freedoms, such as the freedom to talk to your kids on the phone without a record of the call being stored somehwhere in a big government database. If the 9/11 attack was about destroying America's freedoms, Osama Bin Laden must be very pleased.

You have certainly never indicated anything to the contrary.

B.C.

You're not reading my posts. Just because I don't agree with this war in Iraq, you try to paint me as un-American. That doesn't work; we've been down that road a lot on these boards. The polls show less than 1 in 3 Americans think President Bush is doing a good job. Something like 70% think this country is headed in the wrong direction. I was bred, born, and raised in the USA. I'm more representative of how Americans feel about Bush and the war than you. Live with it.

By the way, I get a laugh every time someone ignores my posts (with link) and posts personal insults. It shows how bankrupt the Bush Bunch and their supporters are.
 

Red Robin

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He asked you Dis if there is anything about this country, it's government , etc that you love. I noticed you were quite silent except for a gratutious mention (which isn't true) that you love the military.

Can you not give a review of the things you love about this country without being ambiguous? Tell us what , besides the availibility to spew your antimoral , anticonservative, garbage , you deeply love about this country.
 

Disagreeable

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Red Robin said:
He asked you Dis if there is anything about this country, it's government , etc that you love. I noticed you were quite silent except for a gratutious mention (which isn't true) that you love the military.

Can you not give a review of the things you love about this country without being ambiguous? Tell us what , besides the availibility to spew your antimoral , anticonservative, garbage , you deeply love about this country.

I'll put my "morality" up against yours any day. Over 30,000 dead Iraqis since George W. Bush invaded that country. What did they do to deserve to die? They happened to live in a country with a ruler that PO-ed the President of the United States of America. That's their crime. Bush is a mass murderer and you support him.

I don't owe you or anyone else on this board anything, RR. One of the joys of living in this country is the right to point out the truths that you would ignore.

Like for example, George W. Bush used intelligence from the German source, Curveball, even though the Germans had told him it was unreliable.

Like for example, George W. Bush told us no one thought the levees in New Orleans wouldn't hold, even though he was briefed the day before that they might not hold.

Like for example, George W. Bush told Americans they couldn't be wiretapped without a warrant, all the while the NSA was eavesdropping on some of our coversations.

Like for example, George W. Bush told us he'd fire anyone in the White House who leaked a CIA undercover agent's name. Carl Rove's attorney admitted that Rove leaked the name. Rove still works at the White House. Scooter Libby wasn't fired; he resigned.

Gee, there's such a loooong list. I just don't have the time to put them all out there.
 

Red Robin

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Disagreeable said:
[ Bush is a mass murderer and you support him.
Ladies and gentlemen I present to you the true , unashamed , democratic party. Remember in November when you cast your vote the ideas this party espouses..
Interesting , you still provided nothing you love about this country. It's a shame but true I guess that we have several in our nation that are as thankless as you.
 

Disagreeable

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Red Robin said:
BTW "dishonest" if bush were a mass murder (which he isn't) wouldn't that be criminal? Where are the criminal investigations?

Oh, I think they'll come. You and I may not be alive to see them, but I think someday Iraq will come to the UN and the World Court, demanding we rebuild their country. After all, we've destroyed it. There's no way the US would ever allow a former President to be tried, but I believe the charges will be made.
 

Red Robin

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Disagreeable said:
Red Robin said:
BTW "dishonest" if bush were a mass murder (which he isn't) wouldn't that be criminal? Where are the criminal investigations?

Oh, I think they'll come. You and I may not be alive to see them, but I think someday Iraq will come to the UN and the World Court, demanding we rebuild their country. After all, we've destroyed it. There's no way the US would ever allow a former President to be tried, but I believe the charges will be made.
Not only do you think the charges should be made, you stated he was (Bush) was a mass murder so I assume you think he should be convicted?
 

Disagreeable

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Red Robin said:
Disagreeable said:
Red Robin said:
BTW "dishonest" if bush were a mass murder (which he isn't) wouldn't that be criminal? Where are the criminal investigations?

Oh, I think they'll come. You and I may not be alive to see them, but I think someday Iraq will come to the UN and the World Court, demanding we rebuild their country. After all, we've destroyed it. There's no way the US would ever allow a former President to be tried, but I believe the charges will be made.

Not only do you think the charges should be made, you stated he was Bush was a mass murder so I assume you think he should be convicted?

I didn't say I thought charges should be made; I said I thought they would be made. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. The court of opinion is something else. In my opinion, most of those 30,000+ Iraqis, men, women, children, babies, would be alive if Bush had not chosen to invade Iraq. He made the final decision to turn the strongest, best military in the world onto a small, soverign country. These deaths have mostly been a result of that decision. So who else can you place the blame on?
 

Red Robin

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Who carried out the orders of this mass murderer George Bush? BTW even someone as liberal as you would surely think if someone was a mass murderer that charges should be brought . True?
 

Red Robin

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Where did you go Dishonest? Did you feel a suden compelling to turn your computer off?
If Bush is a mass murder , then those who carried out his orders , would also be guilty of war crimes.
You have a real dilema here Dishonest. You just got through saying how much you appreciate our military. You support the troops don't you? How can you support the murderers of 30,000 iraquis? More dishonesty on your part I assume. Would you like to retract your statement about The President of the United States of America being a mass murderer?
 

Disagreeable

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Red Robin said:
Who carried out the orders of this mass murderer George Bush?

Glad to see you coming around to my position, RR. :lol: I don't know who killed each one of the tens of thousands of Iraqis. That's for a court to decide, if it should ever get that far.
 

Disagreeable

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Red Robin said:
Where did you go Dishonest? Did you feel a suden compelling to turn your computer off?
If Bush is a mass murder , then those who carried out his orders , would also be guilty of war crimes.
You have a real dilema here Dishonest. You just got through saying how much you appreciate our military. You support the troops don't you? How can you support the murderers of 30,000 iraquis? More dishonesty on your part I assume. Would you like to retract your statement about The President of the United States of America being a mass murderer?

Unlike you, RR, I try to think a bit before I respond to serious questions. Obviously, you're not serious about your questions. You just want to posture and puff. Check above; I answered the question.
 
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