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Abuse of power?

Texan

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Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber

Investigators trying to determine whether access was illegal

Friday, October 24, 2008 8:57 PM
By Randy Ludlow
The Columbus Dispatch

State and local officials are investigating if state and law-enforcement computer systems were illegally accessed when they were tapped for personal information about "Joe the Plumber."

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher became part of the national political lexicon Oct. 15 when Republican presidential candidate John McCain mentioned him frequently during his final debate with Democrat Barack Obama.

The 34-year-old from the Toledo suburb of Holland is held out by McCain as an example of an American who would be harmed by Obama's tax proposals.

Public records requested by The Dispatch disclose that information on Wurzelbacher's driver's license or his sport-utility vehicle was pulled from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database three times shortly after the debate.

Information on Wurzelbacher was accessed by accounts assigned to the office of Ohio Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers, the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency and the Toledo Police Department.

It has not been determined who checked on Wurzelbacher, or why. Direct access to driver's license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business.

Paul Lindsay, Ohio spokesman for the McCain campaign, attempted to portray the inquiries as politically motivated. "It's outrageous to see how quickly Barack Obama's allies would abuse government power in an attempt to smear a private citizen who dared to ask a legitimate question," he said.

Isaac Baker, Obama's Ohio spokesman, denounced Lindsay's statement as charges of desperation from a campaign running out of time. "Invasions of privacy should not be tolerated. If these records were accessed inappropriately, it had nothing to do with our campaign and should be investigated fully," he said.

The attorney general's office is investigating if the access of Wuzelbacher's BMV information through the office's Ohio Law Enforcement Gateway computer system was unauthorized, said spokeswoman Jennifer Brindisi.

"We're trying to pinpoint where it came from," she said. The investigation could become "criminal in nature," she said. Brindisi would not identify the account that pulled the information on Oct. 16.

Records show it was a "test account" assigned to the information technology section of the attorney general's office, said Department of Public Safety spokesman Thomas Hunter.

Brindisi later said investigators have confirmed that Wurzelbacher's information was not accessed within the attorney general's office. She declined to provide details. The office's test accounts are shared with and used by other law enforcement-related agencies, she said.

On Oct. 17, BMV information on Wurzelbacher was obtained through an account used by the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency in Cleveland, records show.

Mary Denihan, spokeswoman for the county agency, said the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services contacted the agency today and requested an investigation of the access to Wurzelbacher's information. Cuyahoga County court records do not show any child-support cases involving Wurzelbacher.

The State Highway Patrol, which administers the Law Enforcement Automated Data System in Ohio, asked Toledo police to explain why it pulled BMV information on Wurzelbacher within 48 hours of the debate, Hunter said.

The LEADS system also can be used to check for warrants and criminal histories, but such checks would not be reflected on the records obtained by The Dispatch.

Sgt. Tim Campbell, a Toledo police spokesman, said he could not provide any information because the department only had learned of the State Highway Patrol inquiry today.



http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/24/joe.html?sid=101
 

jigs

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but it is NOT about race....remember, Obama is being ppushed along by everyone...just because black folks are voting for him, EVEN THOUGH they have no clue where he stands on issues, they are not voting just because he is black....




that black boy is doing the biggest white wash I have ever seen.
 

CattleArmy

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I don't think people are voting for him simply because he is black. I think that this society that we all live in is looking for change from our current situations whether that is the economy, the soldiers situation, or issues such as marriage issues. The thing that Obama is doing is bring excitement and the promise of change to the American public that in large is dissatisfied by the current conditions of our great country. McCain is old and holds to many ties to Bush for some. I don't feel comfortable with either of them running this country myself. However, saying people are voting for Obama because he is black is like saying people are voting for McCain because he chose Palin and women will vote for any woman. That's not true either because I'm a woman and I wouldn't vote for anyone solely based on their anatomy.
 

TexasBred

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CattleArmy said:
I don't think people are voting for him simply because he is black. I think that this society that we all live in is looking for change from our current situations whether that is the economy, the soldiers situation, or issues such as marriage issues. The thing that Obama is doing is bring excitement and the promise of change to the American public that in large is dissatisfied by the current conditions of our great country. McCain is old and holds to many ties to Bush for some. I don't feel comfortable with either of them running this country myself. However, saying people are voting for Obama because he is black is like saying people are voting for McCain because he chose Palin and women will vote for any woman. That's not true either because I'm a woman and I wouldn't vote for anyone solely based on their anatomy.

Cattle...there are people who don't have a clue what Obama stands for or even what party he represents....all they know or were told is that he was black...and they'll vote for him.....don't be so naive.
 

CattleArmy

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Maybe just maybe they believe in what he believes. Or possibly they are so desperate for change they see him as the candidate to do it????
 

Sandhusker

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CattleArmy said:
I don't think people are voting for him simply because he is black. I think that this society that we all live in is looking for change from our current situations whether that is the economy, the soldiers situation, or issues such as marriage issues. The thing that Obama is doing is bring excitement and the promise of change to the American public that in large is dissatisfied by the current conditions of our great country. McCain is old and holds to many ties to Bush for some. I don't feel comfortable with either of them running this country myself. However, saying people are voting for Obama because he is black is like saying people are voting for McCain because he chose Palin and women will vote for any woman. That's not true either because I'm a woman and I wouldn't vote for anyone solely based on their anatomy.

We wall want change, but change in itself isn't necessarily good. Change can also be bad. The question that isn't being asked is if Obama's change will be good or will it be bad. You look at Obama and you see the thinnest resume of any candidate ever. He's accomplished nothing in his political career. His district is a crap-hole. He doesn't want anybody to know about his past, and what we are able to see shows a distrubing pattern of terrible judgement. He's shown himself to be a racist and a Socialist. He's clearly hiding something regarding his birth certificate. He's lied repeatedly. Now looking at what you can see of this man, are you willing to bet the house and cast a vote that his change will be positive for the country?
 

Larrry

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When the whites do not pick obamer at the same rate as blacks it can only be safely concluded many blacks are Racists
 

nonothing

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Larrry said:
When the whites do not pick obamer at the same rate as blacks it can only be safely concluded many blacks are Racists


You guys here talk like the blacks have been treated like kings.Not one of you is black and if you were your ideas would be different..No matter what you say whites still own the power and that is a truth....Even when someone tries to help the situation you guys here either call them criminals or racsists....Give me one good reason,just ONE reason Larry,why if you were a black man in this election year that you would pick McCain over Obama?....You too sandhusker and Jigs..ball up and answer that question...just give me one good reason why a black person should choose McCain over Obama.?
 

Sandhusker

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nonothing said:
Larrry said:
When the whites do not pick obamer at the same rate as blacks it can only be safely concluded many blacks are Racists


You guys here talk like the blacks have been treated like kings.Not one of you is black and if you were your ideas would be different..No matter what you say whites still own the power and that is a truth....Even when someone tries to help the situation you guys here either call them criminals or racsists....Give me one good reason,just ONE reason Larry,why if you were a black man in this election year that you would pick McCain over Obama?....You too sandhusker and Jigs..ball up and answer that question...just give me one good reason why a black person should choose McCain over Obama.?

The "Great Society" that Johnson started has hurt blacks much more than it has helped them. It has taught them reliance on the government and has created a society of victims. Entire generations don't know the first thing about creating wealth, and thus never will. A prime example is much of the population in New Orleans. When the hurricane hit, you saw what Johnson's Great Society created. Obama is not only going to continue that failed policy, he is going to juice it. If I as a black man, I would shun Obama because his Socialist victim policy will only keep black people down.
 

nonothing

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Sandhusker said:
nonothing said:
Larrry said:
When the whites do not pick obamer at the same rate as blacks it can only be safely concluded many blacks are Racists


You guys here talk like the blacks have been treated like kings.Not one of you is black and if you were your ideas would be different..No matter what you say whites still own the power and that is a truth....Even when someone tries to help the situation you guys here either call them criminals or racsists....Give me one good reason,just ONE reason Larry,why if you were a black man in this election year that you would pick McCain over Obama?....You too sandhusker and Jigs..ball up and answer that question...just give me one good reason why a black person should choose McCain over Obama.?


The "Great Society" that Johnson started has hurt blacks much more than it has helped them. It has taught them reliance on the government and has created a society of victims. Entire generations don't know the first thing about creating wealth, and thus never will. A prime example is much of the population in New Orleans. When the hurricane hit, you saw what Johnson's Great Society created. Obama is not only going to continue that failed policy, he is going to juice it. If I as a black man, I would shun Obama because his Socialist victim policy will only keep black people down.


Please show me proof of Obama's socialist victim policy please..As I am sure it is written out in full somewhere,since you must have already read it.I do not want your opinion or past events.I would like to see this policy that you speak of....thank you
 

Mahoney-Pursley Ranch

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[/quote]
just give me one good reason why a black person should choose McCain over Obama.?[/quote]




How about political experiance
How about not hiding who he really is
How about being a christian
How about being pro American

Most blacks in this country wil vote for Obama like him or not just to see the first black President.

If you are black are you honest enough to admit to this ?
 

Sandhusker

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nonothing said:
Sandhusker said:
nonothing said:
You guys here talk like the blacks have been treated like kings.Not one of you is black and if you were your ideas would be different..No matter what you say whites still own the power and that is a truth....Even when someone tries to help the situation you guys here either call them criminals or racsists....Give me one good reason,just ONE reason Larry,why if you were a black man in this election year that you would pick McCain over Obama?....You too sandhusker and Jigs..ball up and answer that question...just give me one good reason why a black person should choose McCain over Obama.?


The "Great Society" that Johnson started has hurt blacks much more than it has helped them. It has taught them reliance on the government and has created a society of victims. Entire generations don't know the first thing about creating wealth, and thus never will. A prime example is much of the population in New Orleans. When the hurricane hit, you saw what Johnson's Great Society created. Obama is not only going to continue that failed policy, he is going to juice it. If I as a black man, I would shun Obama because his Socialist victim policy will only keep black people down.


Please show me proof of Obama's socialist victim policy please..As I am sure it is written out in full somewhere,since you must have already read it.I do not want your opinion or past events.I would like to see this policy that you speak of....thank you

It's not written out in full someplace, you have to read and discern. Give it a try.
 

nonothing

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Sandhusker said:
nonothing said:
Sandhusker said:
The "Great Society" that Johnson started has hurt blacks much more than it has helped them. It has taught them reliance on the government and has created a society of victims. Entire generations don't know the first thing about creating wealth, and thus never will. A prime example is much of the population in New Orleans. When the hurricane hit, you saw what Johnson's Great Society created. Obama is not only going to continue that failed policy, he is going to juice it. If I as a black man, I would shun Obama because his Socialist victim policy will only keep black people down.


Please show me proof of Obama's socialist victim policy please..As I am sure it is written out in full somewhere,since you must have already read it.I do not want your opinion or past events.I would like to see this policy that you speak of....thank you

It's not written out in full someplace, you have to read and discern. Give it a try.

So once again your opinion is what we are to consider fact....You sure are high and mighty...
 

nonothing

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just give me one good reason why a black person should choose McCain over Obama.?[/quote]




How about political experiance
How about not hiding who he really is
How about being a christian
How about being pro American

Most blacks in this country wil vote for Obama like him or not just to see the first black President.

If you are black are you honest enough to admit to this ?[/quote]

maybe it is a good enough reson to a black person to choose a black leader over a white one...you are choosing a white leader over a black one Aplus...
 

Sandhusker

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nonothing said:
Sandhusker said:
nonothing said:
Please show me proof of Obama's socialist victim policy please..As I am sure it is written out in full somewhere,since you must have already read it.I do not want your opinion or past events.I would like to see this policy that you speak of....thank you

It's not written out in full someplace, you have to read and discern. Give it a try.

So once again your opinion is what we are to consider fact....You sure are high and mighty...

You're bringing a rock to a gun fight.
 

aplusmnt

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I think nonothing is off his meds again, or maybe on the bottle :wink:

He sure gets worked up about something he has no say in. Wise man told me once never get yourself worked up over something you have no control over!
 

TexasBred

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nonothing said:
Sandhusker said:
nonothing said:
Please show me proof of Obama's socialist victim policy please..As I am sure it is written out in full somewhere,since you must have already read it.I do not want your opinion or past events.I would like to see this policy that you speak of....thank you

It's not written out in full someplace, you have to read and discern. Give it a try.

So once again your opinion is what we are to consider fact....You sure are high and mighty...

Has Obama given anybody details of ANY of his socalled "Plans for Change"?? Nope...just insinuations. Vote and wait and see
 
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