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Mike

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In light of the recent announcement that China will begin shipping processed chickens to the USA and the glut of chickens in the US at this time, do you know if the decision has anything to do with the chicken processing plants in China that are owned by Tyson?

Sylvest Farms, a poultry processor here in Montgomery, that has been in business since 1948, is in bankruptcy and shutting down it's operations soon,
is selling leg quarters for $.17 lb. in 40 lb. boxes.

Do we really need these chickens coming from China?
 

agman

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Mike said:
In light of the recent announcement that China will begin shipping processed chickens to the USA and the glut of chickens in the US at this time, do you know if the decision has anything to do with the chicken processing plants in China that are owned by Tyson?

Sylvest Farms, a poultry processor here in Montgomery, that has been in business since 1948, is in bankruptcy and shutting down it's operations soon,
is selling leg quarters for $.17 lb. in 40 lb. boxes.

Do we really need these chickens coming from China?

I am not certain whether Tyson has any chicken operations in China but I will find out. Your assumption that they have facilities there may be wrong.

Margins are a disaster because of the reduction in exports of chicken and last week Russia withdrew ALL chicken import licenses. Russia is a major export market for dark meat. Wholesale leg quarters are $.17 as you indicate and many are being donated to food banks and or being ground up as pet food. You will see retail leg quarter features under $.40 per pound this summer. That will be tough competition for beef and namely pork. Tyson has suggest publicly that they could lose $98 million this fiscal quarter.
 

Mike

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agman said:
Mike said:
In light of the recent announcement that China will begin shipping processed chickens to the USA and the glut of chickens in the US at this time, do you know if the decision has anything to do with the chicken processing plants in China that are owned by Tyson?

Sylvest Farms, a poultry processor here in Montgomery, that has been in business since 1948, is in bankruptcy and shutting down it's operations soon,
is selling leg quarters for $.17 lb. in 40 lb. boxes.

Do we really need these chickens coming from China?

I am not certain whether Tyson has any chicken operations in China but I will find out. Your assumption that they have facilities there may be wrong.

Margins are a disaster because of the reduction in exports of chicken and last week Russia withdrew ALL chicken import licenses. Russia is a major export market for dark meat. Wholesale leg quarters are $.17 as you indicate and many are being donated to food banks and or being ground up as pet food. You will see retail leg quarter features under $.40 per pound this summer. That will be tough competition for beef and namely pork. Tyson has suggest publicly that they could lose $98 million this fiscal quarter.

From the TYSON website:

" Tyson increased production capacity in 2005 at its international facilities in Canada, China and Mexico. The company also hopes to “establish in-country presence” in at least one additional foreign market in 2006, according to Lee. The company is actively engaged in due diligence with a poultry company in China, as well as a beef processing company and a chicken processing company in South America."

http://www.tyson.com/Corporate/PressRoom/ViewArticle.aspx?id=2070&print=true


Tyson Foods, Inc. reports annual revenue of over 24 billion dollars and has 120,000 employees at 300 facilities in 22 countries. Tyson is the world's largest processor and marketer of chicken and red-meat products as well as allied products such as tanned hides, and it describes itself as "the largest provider of protein products on the planet." In addition to its plants in the U.S., Ireland, China, and Russia, it has joint ventures in Argentina, Brazil, Denmark, Indonesia, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Mexico, Philippines, Spain, the UK, and Venezuela.
 

agman

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Mike said:
agman said:
Mike said:
In light of the recent announcement that China will begin shipping processed chickens to the USA and the glut of chickens in the US at this time, do you know if the decision has anything to do with the chicken processing plants in China that are owned by Tyson?

Sylvest Farms, a poultry processor here in Montgomery, that has been in business since 1948, is in bankruptcy and shutting down it's operations soon,
is selling leg quarters for $.17 lb. in 40 lb. boxes.

Do we really need these chickens coming from China?

Thanks for the post.

I am not certain whether Tyson has any chicken operations in China but I will find out. Your assumption that they have facilities there may be wrong.

Margins are a disaster because of the reduction in exports of chicken and last week Russia withdrew ALL chicken import licenses. Russia is a major export market for dark meat. Wholesale leg quarters are $.17 as you indicate and many are being donated to food banks and or being ground up as pet food. You will see retail leg quarter features under $.40 per pound this summer. That will be tough competition for beef and namely pork. Tyson has suggest publicly that they could lose $98 million this fiscal quarter.

From the TYSON website:

" Tyson increased production capacity in 2005 at its international facilities in Canada, China and Mexico. The company also hopes to “establish in-country presence” in at least one additional foreign market in 2006, according to Lee. The company is actively engaged in due diligence with a poultry company in China, as well as a beef processing company and a chicken processing company in South America."

http://www.tyson.com/Corporate/PressRoom/ViewArticle.aspx?id=2070&print=true


Tyson Foods, Inc. reports annual revenue of over 24 billion dollars and has 120,000 employees at 300 facilities in 22 countries. Tyson is the world's largest processor and marketer of chicken and red-meat products as well as allied products such as tanned hides, and it describes itself as "the largest provider of protein products on the planet." In addition to its plants in the U.S., Ireland, China, and Russia, it has joint ventures in Argentina, Brazil, Denmark, Indonesia, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Mexico, Philippines, Spain, the UK, and Venezuela.
 

Kato

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If I remember correctly, isn't there a problem with importing poultry from a country that has avian flu? :? :wink:
 

Sandhusker

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Kato said:
If I remember correctly, isn't there a problem with importing poultry from a country that has avian flu? :? :wink:

Why let a pesky thing like disease stop trade? Don't you know that trade is all that matters. :roll:
 

Brad S

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I was giving the butcher at the local IGA hell about $.25 leg and theigh quarters. He's usually a good friend to beef producers, but all he could say is hold your nose 'cause there's going to be a bunch of cheap chicken.
 

Econ101

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Brad S said:
I was giving the butcher at the local IGA hell about $.25 leg and theigh quarters. He's usually a good friend to beef producers, but all he could say is hold your nose 'cause there's going to be a bunch of cheap chicken.

It is part of the concentration game. Tyson could bring up the price of chicken by reducing the output pretty easy. They have the largest position in the poultry industy in the world.

EVERY MARKET IS ABOUT SUPPLY AND DEMAND.

Tyson is attempting to run poultry companies like the one Mike spoke of, out of business to further consolidate the industry. Leg quarters have always been the cheapest part of a chicken and even more so when McDonalds went to all white meat nuggets (I happened to like the old ones better than the new ones) due to the "healthy" appeal of the product. I don't know that they were really any more healthy being fried and all in the kind of grease they were fried in, but marketing and perception is just as important as reality. (Before you start, Beefmand and Agman, I have kids and up until the age 7 or 8 they like McDonalds. Parents almost can't help but go there when traveling on the road and eating out on the way)

In Russia, the cheap leg quarter imports from the U.S. are known as Bush legs as they became prevelant there during this administration. Russia has been working on building its own poultry industry and no longer wants those cheap imports dumped on them. Bird flu is a convenient excuse for policy decisions.
 

pknoeber

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Went through the grocery store not paying attention, got home and saw a flyer for $0.19/lb on leg quarters. WOW!! Couple the reduction in chicken prices with the increase in gas prices & I'd bet a lot of people may start shifting consumption. Wonder what effect this will have on the protein complex...

Does anybody know if they grind the leg quarters to make chicken burger? It seems like that would be coming in at a very competitive level with beef burger right now.

What's everybody else's thoughts?
 

agman

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pknoeber said:
Went through the grocery store not paying attention, got home and saw a flyer for $0.19/lb on leg quarters. WOW!! Couple the reduction in chicken prices with the increase in gas prices & I'd bet a lot of people may start shifting consumption. Wonder what effect this will have on the protein complex...

Does anybody know if they grind the leg quarters to make chicken burger? It seems like that would be coming in at a very competitive level with beef burger right now.

What's everybody else's thoughts?

They are grinding them up for pet food at the present time.
 

Sandhusker

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agman said:
pknoeber said:
Went through the grocery store not paying attention, got home and saw a flyer for $0.19/lb on leg quarters. WOW!! Couple the reduction in chicken prices with the increase in gas prices & I'd bet a lot of people may start shifting consumption. Wonder what effect this will have on the protein complex...

Does anybody know if they grind the leg quarters to make chicken burger? It seems like that would be coming in at a very competitive level with beef burger right now.

What's everybody else's thoughts?

They are grinding them up for pet food at the present time.

Chicken is so cheap, it's dog food - small US chicken processors are going out of business so what do we do? We import more from China. :shock: Just what the &%#@ is wrong with Washington? :mad:
 

RobertMac

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The news cast I heard said Tyson was shipping birds to China, processing them there, then shipping the poultry to the USA. Maybe I should be leery of what I watch from the news media?!?! :eek: :???:

The last 40 lb. box of leg quarters I bought I paid $2.75/lb. Depends on how you want to spend your money and who you are willing to support. Buy Tyson chicken then complain about them??????
 

Mike

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Sandhusker said:
agman said:
pknoeber said:
Went through the grocery store not paying attention, got home and saw a flyer for $0.19/lb on leg quarters. WOW!! Couple the reduction in chicken prices with the increase in gas prices & I'd bet a lot of people may start shifting consumption. Wonder what effect this will have on the protein complex...

Does anybody know if they grind the leg quarters to make chicken burger? It seems like that would be coming in at a very competitive level with beef burger right now.

What's everybody else's thoughts?

They are grinding them up for pet food at the present time.

Chicken is so cheap, it's dog food - small US chicken processors are going out of business so what do we do? We import more from China. :shock: Just what the &%#@ is wrong with Washington? :mad:

I take it you don't like the "New World Order" Sandhusker?

"Globalism" at it's finest! :lol: :mad:
 

agman

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RobertMac said:
The news cast I heard said Tyson was shipping birds to China, processing them there, then shipping the poultry to the USA. Maybe I should be leery of what I watch from the news media?!?! :eek: :???:

The last 40 lb. box of leg quarters I bought I paid $2.75/lb. Depends on how you want to spend your money and who you are willing to support. Buy Tyson chicken then complain about them??????

RM, what you heard was correct. It is cheaper to ship, process then return the product to the U.S. then it is do the same procedures here. Have you fried a chicken lately?!!
 

mrj

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We are pretty lucky in our area. One of the colonies, probably Hutterite, in eastern SD brings frozen chickens to our area. They are big, maybe four to five pounds, and a case of eight of them sells for nearly $38.00, but they are very nice and worth it.

MRJ
 
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MRJ said:
We are pretty lucky in our area. One of the colonies, probably Hutterite, in eastern SD brings frozen chickens to our area. They are big, maybe four to five pounds, and a case of eight of them sells for nearly $38.00, but they are very nice and worth it.

MRJ

MRJ- Are they illegal? Is it legal to sell farm killed chickens in SD or do they have an inspected slaughter plant? The Hoots up here used to sell them out of trucks- until one of the big stores turned them in (probably not smart to sell them on the corner next to Albertsons) -- the State Health Inspector shut them down- now they sell them out of the trunk of their cars- or sell you farm vegetables and throw in a "free" chicken, duck, turkey, or goose :roll: ...
 

Mrs.Greg

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Oldtimer said:
MRJ said:
We are pretty lucky in our area. One of the colonies, probably Hutterite, in eastern SD brings frozen chickens to our area. They are big, maybe four to five pounds, and a case of eight of them sells for nearly $38.00, but they are very nice and worth it.

MRJ

MRJ- Are they illegal? Is it legal to sell farm killed chickens in SD or do they have an inspected slaughter plant? The Hoots up here used to sell them out of trucks- until one of the big stores turned them in (probably not smart to sell them on the corner next to Albertsons) -- the State Health Inspector shut them down- now they sell them out of the trunk of their cars- or sell you farm vegetables and throw in a "free" chicken, duck, turkey, or goose :roll: ...
I'm not sure about the Hutterites from the States but in Alberta thier chickens are government inspected.
 

PORKER

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It is cheaper to ship, process then return the product to the U.S. then it is do the same procedures here. Never heard of dog food that was CHEAP
 

agman

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PORKER said:
It is cheaper to ship, process then return the product to the U.S. then it is do the same procedures here. Never heard of dog food that was CHEAP

Leg quarters are being ground up for dog food, not the entire chicken.
 

RobertMac

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agman said:
RM, what you heard was correct. It is cheaper to ship, process then return the product to the U.S. then it is do the same procedures here. Have you fried a chicken lately?!!

So, how long from slaughter until that 'fresh' chicken reaches my local Wal-Mart?

I haven't fried any chicken since I learned about the crap I was frying it in! The best was what my grandmother fried up using that bacon grease we saved. May have to try frying some in saturated coconut oil...saturated fats are much safer to fry with.
 
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